Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3065491)

I strongly disagree with the idea that those who breed only for the money or "just because they want to" are more respectable. The thought of just anyone breeding, without doing everything possible to ensure the health and lifelong safety of their puppies is horrifying. These are living creatures, not toys to play with or products to earn a profit on.

It appears that I posted in support too quickly. I thought you were asking these questions honestly, but now it appears that you already had your mind made up and just started this thread to cause a stir, and create the idea that there are no good, responsible, ethical breeders.

Originally Posted by WinstonMom (Post 3065658)

None of the posters in this thread were answering the question of "why do we breed?". If I recall your original question and the question that everyone was answering was "why do breeders sell pups with spay/neuter contracts?"

Audrey

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE (Post 3065644)

you took what i said about people who say they breed for money or because they just want to be breeders being more respectable out of context.

more respectable than what?

as i said in the rest of that post.....more respectable than claiming to breed to cut down on the number of homeless pets or however it was worded.

sort of like the person who replied on the thread "parti prices" by saying, "because we can" in response to why they charge so much.

i find that more respectable than giving a bunch of reasons that make no sense whatsoever.

is it right? i don't know - but i like the honest answer.

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE (Post 3065696)

that was my original question, and in answering that question - the issue of dog population came up which led to another topic.

i also said in my first post that what's good for the goose doesn't seem to be good for the gander.

Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3063431)

My wife keeps trying to place me in a Pet Home, but so far, no takers!

I have no problem with the Spay/Neuter contract, and believe it is best for everyone, and the breeder should hold back the papers until proof is shown. A lot of time, effort and love goes into each litter. Only thing I disagree with is that the baby pup is fixed at too early an age. We have had every dog fixed, and just about all of them with the exception of our little Yorkie was show quality. Does not matter to us, we just want the best pet,,,well, I should say family member, because that is what they are.

There are some really outstanding Breeders on YT, and several just commented here! Mardelin is right up there! Whoever gets one of her pups is lucky, same as with several others.

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3065442)

I know you are trying to think things through and to be honest. While my children were young and growing up we had dogs that we adopted from the pound. I had been a vet tech and knew how important it was to help a dog in need. I felt compassion to save a soul.
Well, in reality - it was not easy to live with a dog from the pound. It can and does come with propblems and people need to be aware of this. I know, since I went through it.
We adopted one that had a shyness problem. I mean a real problem. We found out later after the adoption that she had been beaten by her previous owner. She was a sweety, but would not come to you and would always flinge and coward. She also had heartworms when we adopted her and we paid and took care of her to get rid of them. It was very scary going through the treatments, since we knew she could die from it. She did get better with us over the years, but was never really that friendly, but was very sweet. She was an English Sheep dog. And I loved her. We had her till she died of old age.
We adopted another pound dog - a sheltie that dug up my yard and was very over compulsive and hyper. She hated the kids in the pool and would run circles around the pool barking the whole time, so we had a dirt ring around the pool. We lived in Florida at the time and so was most of the year going through this. And was not that great with the kids being wet, always getting mudddy then. We did even tried to place her in the house while the kids were in the pool, but we still heard her bark and she scratched the door up trying to get out. Not very enjoyable to listen too.
So when you do adopt a dog from the pound, yes, it is very good when ones does so, but you must be ready for any problems they come with. Often sadly they are there due to past owners or because the pass owners did not want to put up with it. So sad! :(

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3065783)

Tina,


Kind of reading this thread and your post caught my eye.....specifically the Sheltie part.....Did you know this is a Sheltie trait, they are very protective, especially of young ones. I had Shelties at one time...it's what they did when my kids were in the pool....it's their protective instinct.....they took care of my kids.

Originally Posted by teacup0819 (Post 3064925)

Just to add my two cents here....and I am not a breeder, just a yorkie owner. When I picked up my yorkie a few weeks ago, the first thing friends said to me were....you could breed her and make alot of money. I was horrified :eek: I got Trixie from a breeder with limited registration. I will have her spayed when she gets old enough and never had any intention of breeding her.

My point is: you really never know who you are dealing with....I could never have imagined these "dog owners" would have thought of breeding for profit (so I could make up the money I spent on Trixie). Just the thought makes me angry.

I have the utmost respect for all the breeders for the time, effort and expense you put into your yorkies. I am so grateful for my Trixie. Without good responsible breeders, the yorkie wouldn't be what it is today. :animal-pa

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE (Post 3065912)

i will not dignify the few people who love to continue drama where there shouldn't be any with a response. by the way, i see a trend in every thread with you guys.

continue talking amongst yourselves.

for everyone who is capable of viewing things objectively and remaining civil - thank you.

secondly, i don't know who anyone is trying to kid (me or themself) when acting like the factor of money is ABSURD and never enters the mind of any respectable breeder. is making a profit unethical? and if so, why wouldn't every breeder be reiumbursed for the vet bills/food/expenses ONLY? sure, they get reimbursed for that and that's fine - but there's profit there as well. i'm not saying there's a problem with that, but to deny it's a factor is a joke.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3065947)

Making a profit would be nice. However, if you are breeding correctly, testing breeding stock as well as pups, vet costs, food, training (and then if we really wanted to make a profit we'd factor in the price of showing) our pups would be going for astronomical prices). Just speaking about this on another thread....my last litter my profit came to 89 cents. Now the litter year before last, I was in the hole $2,500.00, that was after I placed two pups. But, then I almost lost my dam.....and it took several thousand to save her.

What I will say is that until you walk in the shoes of a reputable breeder and I mean doing everything correctly.....I don't really think you can speak about their expenses.

Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE (Post 3065991)

all you have to do is a google search and you will see astronomical prices. i don't know about you in particular, but you said we (i assume breeders in general).

i'd pay a pretty penny for a trained pup - i wasn't aware they went through training when sold although i was aware of the testing, food, vet, etc.

also, do all breeders have tails docked and ears cropped on puppies (not personal dogs)? if so, what is the purpose?