most of my boys squat on the wee wee pads LOL...they aren't any harder than my females LOL

I will chime in here - my only male Yorkie doesn't mark in the house. He goes outside as does my other full male of a different breed, and we have a full female in the house too. When she is in season, it is difficult here, as both our studs go a little crazy. In my mind I certainly wouldn't pay a premium for a pet female.

Donna, my boys tend to go outside for their business, but everyone has their own way. For days when they're stuck inside, I have a jug placed in the middle of the pads to give them something to hike their leg on. I just try to give them a set-up that goes along with their natural tendencies.

I was trying to give the OP a likely 'general' answer. The boys and their peeing inside is something I've heard over and over and I think a lot of people opt for what they feel is 'easier'. My first Yorkie was a boy and I never wished I had gotten a girl instead.

well I'd put a jug in the middle of a pee pad if they'd use it but most of my neutered boys even squat outside LOL...the boys mostly go outside too when we leave our back door open with the doggie door. I only have one male that marks and of course that is Radar the intact male. The neutered boys mostly go outside unless it's raining or very cold and they squat on the pee pad and squat outside except again for Radar. Harvey now will hike outside but will squat inside lol

Donna

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hung up on the male female pricing and keep on about females costing more??

huh??

i wasn't even part of that conversation - just made the one comment AFTER.

talk about stirring a pot.

Well, these are your words. The little part you put in parentheses says a lot about where your head's at. Some very good breeders have bothered to take the time to answer you, in detail, yet you still cling to some notion you have. These are honest people and if they say money isn't a factor, it isn't for them. For sure, some breeders do sell females for more, but when you lump the exhibitors here that have taken the time to answer you into that group, it's like you're calling them liars. Now THAT is pot stirring.

"gives a little insight to the breeders who say money isn't a factor (and then sell females for more $$)."

how is that lumping the ones who have answered me into a group? if it doesn't apply, it shouldn't matter.

this topic has nothing to do with my OP - i simply commented on a discussion that went off topic.

if a breeder who says, "money has nothing to do with my breeding" and then sell females for more than males (for no apparent reason) then yeah - obviously money is the motivation for that.

is there anything wrong with making a profit? i don't think so. is there something "wrong" with saying money has nothing to do with it and then doing what can be done to get more money?

that was my point - and i have not made that point but one time. seems someone else is "hung up."

Here's how I look at the whole male/female thing. And as I said I have 2 prices; one for pet and one for show:
But, if you look at realistically, you place a female in a show home, you hold off breeding until two and you quit breeding her at 5, but you really can't breed her until she's Championed. So, if she Champions by say 18 or 19 months, maybe she's passed her 2nd Season. So, you breed her on 3rd time around, she produces a litter, and depending on her health you may breed her the next round or skip. So, at the most she may produce 3 or maybe 4 litters.

Now a boy, you can prove him at 7 months of age, just to see what he produces. You hold off to breed him again until he Champions. You can breed him to multiple females...there is no gestation period for him....he can breed at anytime. And can be bred to 11 years of age without having a vet witness the breeding. So, he can produce multiple litters. More chance to produce multiple Champions.....

In my thinking I'd think most would charge more for a boy. But, again that's my way of thinking....

For those that think girls don't mark....wrong, they just aren't as easy to catch as boys.

Tegamom1 sent me a wonderful thing from Hobby Lobby. A fire hydrant......I place it on top of a pee pad and my boys use it in the house....My in tact boys do lift their leg. But, have worked hard so that they are using that fire hydrant. Now Tegmom's CJ (my breeding) will not lift his leg when his coat is down and ready for the ring, he'll squat. But, if he's in wraps, all bets are off.

of course females mark...I have 2 spayed females here at home that mark...the go over the males that do squat and pee over it...

I don't sell show dogs so I don't worry about 2 sets of prices...males and females go for the same thing if I'm placing as pets...if I were ever to sell a show dog their prices would be different as what I would place for a pet.

I do think the orginal OP is stirring the pot a alittle in my opinion but maybe I'm wrong....and from her posts she would be one I'd turn down as a pet home since she sees making a profit and making money is ok and well if I break even I would be pleased but making money isn't what I'm in this for. I have a passion for the breed and only breed when I do and that is for showing my dogs and loving them and bettering the breed. I don't want to offend the OP but she makes me a alittle leary but I'll set the record straight she doesn't stir my pot but she's good at twisting her words and yes I can pick up on her intentions :)
At least this is my take on the the orginal OP sorry but it's just my opinion :)

Donna

now that makes sense to me - charging more show dogs vs. pets.

OR charging more for boys based on breeding capacity (if you're charging different prices)

but charging more for females just because you can (AND saying money doesn't come into play) is just shady IMO. it's contradictory.

is there where i start crying about the post going off topic?

seriously, just because i said i respect people more who admit to pricing dogs higher for a profit rather than saying "it has nothing to do with money" and then charging more for a female than a male doesn't mean i think it's "okay" to breed for profit. i am just looking at the facts - there are breeders who breed for profit.

i'd rather hear someone say, "i charge more for females because they're in high demand" than to give some excuse about why they do it that makes no sense at all.

furthermore, people looking for a pet don't breed as their pets are spayed or neutered...so what that has to do with the price of rice in china, i have no clue.

I think several of us (at least the breeder/exhibitors) stated that we have two prices; one for show and one for pet.

Now the boy/girl breeding analogy was just based on logic...and really I've never heard of any breeder pricing it that way.

Yes, I'm sure and I have heard of some breeders selling girls for more....based on Market Value/Supply and Demand. Which I totally can't understand, because my puppy boys seem to be more in demand. And while I love my girls.....oh, my boys........

Also, you don't have to cut down a boy to breed, and you do a girl. So, you can continue to show/special a boy....longer.

exactly - and those are the breeders i was talking about (and trust me, there are plenty) - just look online.

i never said ALL breeders which is why i can't understand why the phrase,
"gives a little insight to the breeders who say money isn't a factor (and then sell females for more $$)." was turned into me talking to everyone! if you don't do that, then i wasn't talking to you!

if i say something, i will own up to it and stand behind it, but i won't be tagged for something i didn't say.

a sidenote: i do NOT think all breeders are bad, unethical, or whatever. this thread wasn't about the breeders JUST here at YT or ONLY the breeders who respond. it was about breeders IN GENERAL - there are lots of them out there - ethical and unethical.

this is to everyone - not anyone in particular:

if you are a good breeder then you know that in your heart and therefore there is no reason for you to take offense to anything i've said. it's like someone talking about certain things that parents do - there are good parents and there are horrible parents. i don't take everything to heart that is said about bad parents because i know it doesn't apply to me!