The example I posted was just that, an example, my point is that I never see anyone suggesting that the parti puppy should be evaluated before it's bred, I read lots of threads here, we seem to have lots of parti breeders, and I have never once read a thread where this is suggested. You are teaching the non-breeders as well as the breeders when you suggest these types of things. Just this past week we had another member have a litter and her mating dogs were the result of a "whoops" pregnancy by another breeder. I would think very seldom a whoops pregnancy would result in a dog suitable for breeding. If you want people to see that you are breeding for the right reasons, you have to stick your neck out there and "admonish" poor breeding practices, not just those of us who are against it. If I'm wrong about this, and any of you parti breeders do suggest better ways to breed than you must have some links to those threads. I would like to be able to tell the difference between a good parti breeder and a bad one.

Like I said I don't pick out people on the forum and chastise them in public. To me there is is a right way and wrong way to approach someone doing wrong and I feel it is not by berating them on a public forum, but in private. So you have no idea to whom I talk to or speak to about their breeding practices.

In all honesty have anyone of you bothered to ask what some of the parti breeders protocol is for their breeding stock? NO! Instead you all band together in bashing them.

I will tell you this. I do know of some parti breeders who have a protocol for their breeding program and I know of many so-called show breeders (even some YTCA members) who do not have a protocol for testing.

I would like my previous questions answered about enhancing coat color.

I think you should spend some of your time along with some others policing the YTCA members to make sure they adhere to the standard.

Plain and simple the AKC does recognize the parti yorkie. If the AKC did not recognize the parti yorkie many of them would not be AKC registered.

Donna How many can state they have never shown or bred anything but a true steel and gold/tan.
If a person has used a black, Lt. Blue or red legs in a breeding program, you have deviated from the standard.

Parti breeder are not asking for approval but we do ask for the same respect to upholding our convictions about the Parti's.
Since there are thousand of standard breeders and only a handful of Parti breeders at the present time.
We are building the gene pool and as soon as we have enough to support the pool, Parti to Standard breeding will be discouraged.
Parti breeder are not interested in taking over but we do feel Parti’s have every right to claim their heritage and an equal place in the Yorkshire world.

Come on! Do you not think your reputable show friends do not have some oops breedings? Have you not noticed all the yorkshire terriers for sale and many of those breeders have poor breeding practices. Maybe if you actually took the time to look you would be able to tell the difference between a good or bad parti breeder. Instead you spend your time chasing down their threads to bash them. Do you really want to know the difference between a good and bad parti breeder? Honestly I doubt it.

I do understand your love for the yorkshire terrier breed Nancy. But I do not understand why you all feel the need to pick on some reputable honest breeders who actually love their dogs and take wonderful care of them. When you can all actually prove every member of the YTCA follows all the guidelines set by the club, you can pick on others.

I'm for better breeding period. The AKC also registers dogs that live in puppy mills, the AKC is just a registry, and just because a dog is registered with them, it means very little about the quality of the dog or the breeder. If you are referring to the link in my signature, I do that as a service to those members of Yorkietalk who want to find an ethical breeder in their area. I am not affiliated with the YTCA, and my views are my own. I just appreciate the fact that a member of Yorkietalk (not a member of the YTCA), told me about the YTCA, and I was able to find a breeder whose standards matched my own. You still have to do your homework. I'm not in favor of people buying dogs from websites; I think every buyer should do a home inspection before they purchase a dog.

Can't really comment on enhancing coat color, if you mean as some type of trick for a show, the breeder is just fooling themselves. Most ethical breeders are building a line, not just selling pets, if you are doing that, what good would it be to breed a dog, that’s not really worthy of breeding?

Well I can say I've never bred a red legged yorkie or a very light yorkie in fact my very first champion when he matured went too light and I neutered him and he came from a great pedigree just wasn't something I wanted in my breeding program but I have when I first got started bred a black yorkie but learned that was not the correct way to breed. What I think is a dark steel blue yorkie may be different than what someone else interupts a dark steel blue yorkie but I try and breed as close to the breed standard as possible.
Will I knowingly breed a Parti no and if I were to ever it produce it it would be spayed and neutred as would the adults involved. Don't get me wrong I don't disrespect you in anyway I just happen to strongly believe in upholding the yorkie standard as closely as possible. Can I live with some faults and try to improve the standard absolutely but I can't live with something that is considered a DQ and a major fault in my breeding program.

Hi,

I noticed you're a new member as of yesterday. May I ask who are? I only ask as you've stated that you've shown before and would like to know if we would know you. Most of us exhibitors on here are known by our real names as well as our Kennel names.......Donna Bird/Brooklyn, I'm of course Mary Lundgren/Mardelin; Lisa Farmer/YorkieRealter/TipTop......Deana Sullivan/Prestigeous; Sonja Vaden/Texas2Step; Deb Sillers/AmazingYorkies. Just like to know if we know you.

In my opinion it is unethical. There are many show exhibitors and handlers who enhance coat color to win. Along with covering up other flaws to win. We have actually seen conformation judges smell a coat in the ring to check for the odor of coloring, but they have ways of covering up the smell of the coloring as well.

When the standard for the yorkshire terrier was changed as far as coat color it made it a little more difficult for show exhibitors. Dogs were being DQ because of being a little to light or to dark in color.

In a perfect world we could all agree to disagree without the issue of bashing, but this is not a perfect world. If this was a perfect world exhibitors would not have to enhance color and try to cover up other flaws in their dogs to win a championship.

Hi..I am a new member based in the UK..I have never seen this parti colour anywhere..either advertised or else in the UK.

we have all the usual Steel Grey/Tan/Gold/Blue but never any white

it's very confusing..:rolleyes:

in a perfect world all would totally breed correctly and not have puppymills and byb's...
what is your fascitation with enhancing the coat and coloring the coat? It's not like it's being bred that way like the parti, chocolate and so called teacup and babydolls? It's not determintal to the breed like breeding liver shunt, LP, leg prethesis, bad top lines, crippled rears ect....sounds like you know alot about coloring a coat LOL...are you disgruntadled for some reason with the yorkie standard? Were you beat in the show ring by someone you thought had colored a dog? You sound very hostile towards show exhibitors in general...and you are new to the form and have shown no respect so far to anyone except those that agree with you.

Hi and welcome to Yorkietalk, from what I understand all the Parti's can be traced back to one line. Even the Biewer, developed in Germany, has been said to be linked to this line. I guess Mr. Biewer may have been a Parti breeder, but he seemed to take it very seriously, and wasn't just breeding pets, he had a vision and he developed a standard. After his death, the breed almost died out, but American interest brought it back to life. There are many breeders breeding the Biewer in America, and different clubs with different agendas, some believe that there is no difference between the Biewer and the Parti, and even mate the two together. Others believe that there are huge differences, and it's best to keep the lines pure. I believe that there are huge differences in the breeders and their motivations for breeding. So perhaps you know the parti as a Biewer?

So Kelly, since your thread was taken over, (:rolleyes:) I wanted to bring it back for you and ask if you had decided on what you were going to do?

Donna~

Her posts do not sound like she is "fascinated" with dyeing a coat...or in your words, "enhancing it". :rolleyes: She is trying to make a point by saying that there would be NO reason to color a coat if the Yorkie were steel blue/tan to begin with. Which this is what has been hammered in many times throughout this whole thread but yet, somehow it is different for those of you that have dyed. I think you have kind of make your post a touch personal by telling her that she sounds hostile towards show exhibitors when she is making a very valid point...and one that is repeatedly being ignored. You also mentioned something about her lacking respect (:rolleyes: )...is she suppose to automatically show respect for breeders that are practicing something that she might disagree with just because she, too, is involved in the show world?? :confused:

OH PLEASEEEE, evab, you have posted all over another site and you even posted your website which has stolen photos on it. Some of them are mine.
PARTI COLOURED YORKIE TERRIER her website

oh oh

Tammy,

She has mentioned both dyed and "enhanced" so I was using "both" her words :)

My yorkies that I show and breed are steel blue and tan so the coloring/dyeing/enhancing isn't an issue with me.
She in my opinion is lacking respect since she's a newbie on this form :) AND she said she WAS involved in the show world at one point those were her words....
Oh it's not personal on my part as I still stand behind my breeding practices and convictions it just differs from yours and hers :) I don't take anything personal as I know my practices and beliefs and have full confidence in myself :)

Donna

At least 2 of the photos on her site belong to Summit yorkies ... oh oh, a big no no!

The only people I am disgruntadled towards are show exhibitors who preach one thing and do another. The sad part of your post with the breeding liver shunts, LP, leg prethesis, bad toplines, crippled rears is this. We all know of AKC champions who have produced most if not all of these traits! I have been in the ring with bad toplines, LP and other issues. I have watched dogs with these traits become champions and their breeders just keep breeding them. Please do not even try to state all YTCA members have no LP, bad toplines, etc. We do not hear about show exhibitors and their puppies born with issues because they never talk about it, so no one knows or is the wiser.

I will state I do not believe in chocolates or blues and I believe them to be genetic defects. You and others seem to be picking out some descent breeders, because they disagree with some of your thoughts and practices. When all the show exhibitors produce perfect specimens of the breed, you can pick on others.

The3 streamglen photos are mine, they even have my watermark on them and I bought those photos.

Oh I have a major problem seeing breeders take yorkies in the ring with bad rears, LS, LP ect that is a major pet peeve of mine and I would do the responsible thing and stop it immediately!!!
Health is more important to me than the coat color!!!!
I haven't picked apart not one Parti breeder as I do not know any parti breeder personally. Only Parti breeder I semi know is TammyJM and I've never met her nor do I know her breeding practices but I do know she loves her dogs and would do anything for them and they are just as important to her as my yorkies are it's just we disagree on the the breeding of Parti's vs. the standard.
No ONE will produce the perfect specimen as there is NO perfect dog in this world, we can only go as close as we can.

Donna

Nancy, I know it's sometimes hard to decipher a person's true meaning from typed words, but you seem to infer that Mr. Biewer somehow was more honorable in his development of the Biewer than Parti breeders. I don't see how you can say he 'wasn't just breeding for pets' as the Biewer could not be shown and he even had to shop around for a registry to paper them with. Also, in an earlier post, you mentioned something about parti breeders inbreeding and that you wouldn't recommend them. Just how do you think Mr. Biewer was able to develop his dogs without intensive in-breeding? He started out with only 2 and that was only in the 1980's. You just can't here from there without in-breeding.

I think the Biewer is a lovely dog, but honestly, the more I find out about them, the more confused I am. They either are/are not a Yorkshire Terrier; you either breed them with Yorkies or not..very confusing. I guess it will be some time before there's a shake out and things get set for the breed. In any case, they aren't recognized by AKC and, if I remember correctly, have been determined to be a mixed breed by at least one German registry.

I just say that in contrast to the Parti, which has been determined to be a Yorkie, has been around for many years, and is recognized by AKC. This is what makes your post puzzling.

I would just like to see both Parti and Biewer breeders take their breedings seriously and develop long term goals. I think some are doing so, and that's a good thing for any breed. I have seen one Parti breeder here (kpstoybox I think) mention more than once that the parti is not yet where they want it to be in quality and will take some time. Statements like that indicate that a breeder has both goals and a critical eye....absolute necessities in a breeding program.

I don't think any of us traditional Yorkie breeders are going to dissuade Parti and Biewer breeders. They certainly don't need my blessing to continue. I will just wish them well in their endeavors, different as they may be from mine.

I really get tired of this back and forth every time a Parti or Biewer thread pops up. I remember the thread where Tammy was having such trouble with Livi and her pups and folks came together then to offer help, regardless of their breeding program. I'd just like to see more of that spirit here than continually beating a long-dead horse.

Oh and btw...I have spayed and neutered a champion that has LP and another health issue and never bred him and spayed the bitch and I have started over my breeding program before. And I"m proud to say when the ball was dropped on my part I did the responsible and reputable thing.

Donna Bird

Yup agreed that is a HUGE NO NO!! That is in copyright violation!

Donna

You're right...it's beating a dead horse. I'll try and hold my comments from now on as far as breeding of Parti's and Biewers as I see and have said we'll never see eye to eye on it.
So I'm done with the Parti issue :)

Donna

Thanks Donna ;) You and I have always been able to disagree but then once it's out there, we are fine with each other. I do wish that some could/would see how the words that they are putting out there are hurtful and makes it tough to get past. Maybe that doesn't matter to some, but to me, I like 99.99% of YT members and wish there were ways to communicate without throwing out such broad statements that lump people. You and I have been able to remain friends because you do not get personal and you know that I respect your love for the Yorkie standard. I happen to ADORE the tri-color, but does not mean that I am a bad breeder...not anymore than it makes a person that follows the standard a great breeder. We all know this...at least we should.

I know that there are people within this thread that do not breed the standard 100% of the time...I will not name names...I like and respect these people. But can we please agree that one picking and choosing what rules they will follow are no better/worse than those of that breed the parti....no matter how you justify it! Do not preach at us for not following the standard if you are not willing to follow your own words, each and every breeding. I do not care why you say that you do it....I am tired of reading that they are doing it to enhance the color (or whatever reason is being used). You are still breeding an off-color yourself. Heck, I could say..."I am breeding my Livi to pass on her dead-on perfect topline". I am still breeding an off-color, right?? So why do you, the ones that are saying that we are wrong, get to state your reasons for breeding the colors that you want, but we are the ones that are attacked??

Oh, and yes....Donna, I am insanely nutty about my fur kids. You understand this love, though. ;)

Correct :thumbup:

I just want to say that I am following this thread and reading all the different views and opinions and am not one to put anyone down for what they believe in. If we all believed in the same things, what a boring world this would be! :p

But I will state I am slowly starting my parti lines and it is taking me awhile to get there because I first wanted perfect structure, perfect head pieces, health, lines.....etc...before I even THINK about just putting 2 dogs together in hopes to get a tri colored Yorkie.

I am starting slow, and I think it will be quite awhile before I have my first bred by Parti, but I feel I am going about it correctly, I want quality, healthy, Yorkies no matter how long it takes me to get there.

Some may actually believe that the parti breeders will just buy any tri-color Yorkie and breed it. :rolleyes: What they don't know (or maybe not care to know) is that those of us that care, have spent HOURS AND HOURS, MONTHS ON END (years really) searching for the right look and the qualities that we want in our breeding program. Brenda, I am sure you and Karen have spoken a lot about this and I know how much time (years actually) that "K" and I have spent on trying to find dogs that will help to better the parti. That is why it is hurtful when we have to sit here and read that we are one trait breeders.

Donna, you've always been crystal clear in your thoughts on breeding. I hope you don't refrain from comments about what you look for and try to achieve with your breeding program. It's very enlightening and I'm sure I'm not the only one that really appreciates them.

Jim