Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3023839)

QUOTE=mistique57;3023812
Pinehaven to have several conversation's and take this guy as his word is not enough really i have actually met these people here in england face to face so do know what they are capable of. I think i do know of the guy you mention as i know of buyer's that have purchased his puppies.

You seemd a little surprise when I showed you the photos of the traditional colored Alfie and you hadn't heard of the names that I had given you (the people who owned these dogs)

When asked why his puppies had white in them his answer was well it was a shock when our girl gave birth as she has never had white in her pup's before but they are popular in germany and america.

Biewers and Parti's were in the US since the late 1990's/early 2000 yet I didn't learn about them until 4 years ago - 2006.


He then went onto to say when his bitch had puppies with white in them he did contact the stud and the stud owner said oh it must be in your bitch as it is not in our dog,Yet he stated when he used his own dog she had traditional color pup's.

No, I didn't say he contacted the stud owner, because he IS the stud owner (of the traditional colored Alfie). No, I didn't state that when he used his own dog she had traditional colored pups ... where are you coming up with this story?

I said his traditional colored yorkies produced a litter with 4 parti colored pups, if you read his thread on YT, you'd see that his female Poppy produced 7 puppies in that litter, 3 traditional colored and 4 parti colored.

We then asked if the sire to the pups had white he said no he was of a traditional colour also but he did not have the sire at his home to view.
The pedigree he give's is not worth the paper it is written on.

Please recheck and read the link to Poppyalfie's threads, since you do not have the correct information. Or do you just make this up as you go along?

May i ask i don't suppose you can remember if the pedigree he gave you had his uk kennel club emblem.

Yes, they were from the UK Kennel club - I told him to see if he could get the adult dogs registered with AKC since it was a club that AKC transfer/register dogs from.

Only we have checked the one's given to us that have not stated the color parti in them and these have not been genuine pedigree's but fake made up by these byb putting differant breed's in.
I Hope This Help's.

Well, yeah, it helps a lot ... helps me to understand where you're coming from. You're just not against those "Mutt Biewer" breeders, you're against the parti gene altogether. You seem to accuse any surprise litters with parti color as being deliberately planned and a scam. I try not to make my final judgements until positive proof has been given to prove one way or the other.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023866)

You seemd a little surprise when I showed you the photos of the traditional colored Alfie and you hadn't heard of the names that I had given you (the people who owned these dogs

No not suprised at all pinehaven as said we here in the uk are fully aware of our byb,if I remember rightly it was yourself who sounded quite suprised and a little bewildered.

No, I didn't say he contacted the stud owner, because he IS the stud owner (of the traditional colored Alfie). No, I didn't state that when he used his own dog she had traditional colored pups ... where are you coming up with this story?

I said his traditional colored yorkies produced a litter with 4 parti colored pups, if you read his thread on YT, you'd see that his female Poppy produced 7 puppies in that litter, 3 traditional colored and 4 parti colored


I did not say pinehaven that you had said the above i said this is what the uk buyer was told when they purchaed off him so please re-read hun.

Please recheck and read the link to Poppyalfie's threads, since you do not have the correct information. Or do you just make this up as you go along?


I can asure i do have the correct information pinehaven i think it is yourself that has been duped by this breeder after all they do think they are good at what they do.I also do not make this up as i go along again rest asured.



Yes, they were from the UK Kennel club - I told him to see if he could get the adult dogs registered with AKC since it was a club that AKC transfer/register dogs from


So then did he manage to get the akc to acknowlege his dog's as the uk kennel club will NOT.


Well, yeah, it helps a lot ... helps me to understand where you're coming from. You're just not against those "Mutt Biewer" breeders, you're against the parti gene altogether. You seem to accuse any surprise litters with parti color as being deliberately planned and a scam. I try not to make my final judgements until positive proof has been given to prove one way or the other.[/QUOTE

Again i am not against the parti gene what so ever or what is being bred over sea's.
I am however against our uk byb breeding and selling a dog at the extortionate price of £1,500 to the people of the uk and saying they are biewer when it HAS BEEN PROVEN they have thrown other breed's in the mix to try and create what germany and america have.
The uk authorities DO HAVE positive proof of what the byb here in the uk have done.
So please pinehaven let other's speak and have a point of view and not just the one you want other's to have.
I Hope This Help's.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3023897)

Sue/JK - Many people will come on YT to cause trouble and are not who they say they are. This person or two have not given one bit of proof for their arguements. Anyone can use bogus IP address programs so my advise is to not respond to them anymore.

P.S. First of all in the world of AKC pedigree's are everything so it doesn't matter what these people say. There are plenty of books to prove they don't know what they are talking about (the books are on-line).

2nd of all, why would someone open a UK website supporting only dog shows that are in the US (ARBA=American Rare Breed Association) and why have a website that only educates people on a few breeders in the US. Doesn't make sense, what so ever.

If people really want the truth and see it written right after the turn of the century here is a website where everyone can read the books: (scroll down for books).

PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB - Links/Old Books

You can also see pedigree's on all of these dogs.

Just remember some people will stir the pot for their own cause...you just have to figure out what that cause is. :eek:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3023881)

Why do you refuse to believe that these are two different people with two different dog who both just happened to be named Alfi? Did it even occur to you that you might be mistaken?

Sue (a long time member, very informed on the parti genetics) has posted a genuine thread with genuine pictures and has viewed the authentic documents.

You ( a new member with little to no creditility, who admits you knows nothing about the partis) have given nothing but a picture that may or may not be of this so called Alfi, and a lot of hearsay that changes and grows with every post.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3023936)

I agree about not sounding English. We have many members from England and never have they used the "language" these two have.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3023967)

So mistique you know every breeder in the UK? Wow I'm impresssed.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3023936)

I agree about not sounding English. We have many members from England and never have they used the "language" these two have.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023977)

Breezaway i have been on forum's and watched you insult, bully and intimidate member's untill they have felt the need to leave anyone who does not agree with you most certainly feel your wrath.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3023987)

I have as daughter in law from there and she talks totally different.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023998)

I live in birmingham uk i can not help how i talk.