Do it yourself vacines
 

Hi, right now we have two litters of pups 7 weeks and 8 weeks old. In the past we took them to the vet for shots and worming. My wife wants to save money and do it ourself.
I would appreciate and advice before we decide. My wife is a CNA and knows how to give shots, it seems pretty easy to worm following directions.
Thanks, Roger

I don't how many pups you are talking about, but by the time you buy the vaccines, syringes, and wormers--it may be almost the same prce as having the vet do the shots.

wormer
 

We have 5 total pups. It will be more cost effective to do the worming ourselves. Not sure if as effective though. Past litters vet wormed at first visit at 7/8 weeks then again at 12 weeks.
Should we do the adults too?

I would never give my own puppies shots but that is because I hate shots but besides a vet being trained (I understand about your wife) it also gives the vet time to look at each puppy to see how they are progressing.

I also think you had better study up on puppy lemon laws because California has been somewhat progessive in going after poor breeders. You could possibly end up in small claims if you cannot prove anything...I don't know but worth it for you to read.

Thanks, good advise and I hate shots too. In the past when we sold the pups we had all vet records of shots and immunizations. If we do it ourselves...well no record other than our word. When we bought our now adults they were vaccined by the breeder or said so. Had one problem with a 12 week female having a parasite 2 weeks after we got her, almost lost her and first diagnosis was parvo, glad it was not that. She has been a great dog since.

i do it my self it and really does save money and you dont have the take the pups out the house!! i say go for it

it goes between the shoulder blade just under the skin

If I am in there already having them vet checked it doesn't cost me about $10 more each for the shots.. so it has not been worth it to me.

I worry when shipping shots they may get warm and not be as affective.

go thru revial or upco,..ship on ice can order extra ice

i know here its 34.00 with my vet to examine a litter but 20+ per pup for vaccines...most vets around here are MUCH higher then that ..so i do the exam after i vaccinate them...most office visits are 45+ here and sometimes they charge office visits by the pup and not the litter and charge 27 per vaccine

individually the shots are $3-5.00 ea and the syringes sometimes come free but even if they dont they are just pennies...i can vaccinate a litter for what the vet would charge to vaccinate 1

as for records you remove the stickers from the vial and place them on the medical charts with the dates ive never had a vet not recognize it...i actually have never met a breeder or purchased a puppy from someone who didnt do their own vaccinations to


vaccines dont prevent parasites...all dogs get parasites....

just from my experience and what i ve read i have never heard of a pup passing away from worms...unless it goes untreated for a long time....plus puppies get worms all the time...its very normal even if they have been dewormed it can still happen

i have always been taught and follow this rule..worm every 2 weeks from birth until they leave

sorry for posting so much

but here is a link to the one i got before...its has 25 shots....for $61.99 they keep in the refridgerator for a long time....shipping is less then 10.00..it breaks down to about $2.60 a vaccine before shipping...( i like getting the 25 pack if i have up coming litters, plus i share them with my mom who has 4 shelites (no breeding) and my sister has a 2 cute mutts (no breeding) and i have helped out a friend or two..charge them $5.00

i like to get the 5-way

Galaxy DA2PPv

you can buy the vaccines individually for $4.39 ea (i have these now)

Canine 7 Way Vaccine

fosters and smith has the box a little cheaper
5-Way Vaccines

Health records are free with 50 vaccines or .25 each..ive always asked and been given them for free with my order

Pfizer Health Records

syringes $.20 they will tell you what size if you call..the vaccines may come with needles just ask them some do and some dont

MonoJect Syringes with Needles


hope this helped

WOW...
Too much toxin to run through tiny puppies to suit me and all the vets I have ever dealt with...I start with parasite free bitches and work from there..
Pups get a stool check at 6 weeks..no parasites, no treatment..8 wk and 12 week stool check...no parasites, no treatment.
KNOCK on wood I have not had a positive stool in over 20 yrs...

As to vaccines...most vets today are not accepting a breeder giving vaccines..so they disregard breeders record and start shots all over again...so many pups are being over vaccinated because of this factor.
I advise the breeder giving the 8 week and then the vet giving the 12 shot and a health check...if you are selling at the 12 wk advised aged. I keep mine until all shots, including rabies is given...JMO

nope not over doing it, that is the recommended amount..says so on just about everything...by the vets, by the products...i feel safer making sure im take precautions to keep them free of parasite then waiting for the vet to check...

i my self have never run into a vet who wouldnt recognize the breeders vaccines if they were noted with proof of the vial and the date...and i would also think that in todays economy ALOT of breeders are doing this themselves and the vets will have to just accept it or take a possible lost from a customer..

me as a customer..would not let the vet do unnecessary vaccines to my puppy because he wants to sell his product..if the vet recommends re doing the vaccines then HE is putting the puppy at risk...HE should know the concerns of too many vaccines....

That is why these discussions are so good..it gives lots of points of view and experience.

My experince is this...none of my vets, here and in Md recommmend a worming without a stool..then go from there...if there are no parasites, why treat the pup..?
Since my pups have not had positive stools for decades, we do a routine worming only if I am concerned the new vet will and I perfer to have my vet do it. I talk to ALL my pet owners vets before they take them to find out when and what they do...I will not refuse to place my pup because I do not like a vet, but sometimes I urge changing and have had no problems getting them to do so...

I have had so many pet owners in the last few yrs call me in a panic because the vet wanted to start over...there are vets who refuse to accept a client if they do not adhere to their vaccine policy.
My friend in Riverdale, Md is one..she can not find a vet in her area who will follow the new vaccine protocal..her vet refuses to treat a dog who had breeders shots..they insist on revaccinating...she can not move..so she is stuck...

Lastly, I amazed at the ignorance of some breeders and the vaccines they use..the type, amount and frequancy...

Please do not be offended.... none of this pertains to you as a breeder, it is just my experince.
Shoot..I gave my own shots for 30 yrs...but things are drastically different and I saw my puppies suffer the costs...one vet actually gave a pup of mine all the shots over and it was 5 months...the owner had no clue and called me...so I needed to fix it for my pups...I perfer the vet give the 12 or 16 wk depending on when I let them go...it solved my problem...

As to worming..I have had some wee babies..at 2 wks they are only 6 oz..12 weeks, they may be a pound. I called Gainesville vet school...I was advised to never give a pup under 6 wks wormer with out a stool check..and the tinies should go longer...
Best wishes

Hi Tammy...you give Lepto?

No breeders or vets recommend Lepto now..took years to change it..and it does depend on your area..but most do not give corona any longer. Lots of canine flu here.. parvo can flair at times..best to be up to date on area problems and where your pups will live.

What I do for my adults is totally different then pups..infact I do not give annual vaccine to adults over 2..haven't in 20 yrs. I do give parvo if there is a flair up and I am showing...but that is very infrequently.

More Yorkies have problems with flu, parvo and bordatella then distemper, hepetitis etc...Best wishes in whatever you decide.

I gave my own shots with my first litter. My vet does it now. He says they see many more dogs with parvo that were given shots by the breeder. I purchased a puppy that the breeder gave the shot to and the vet insisted he give the shots again. He does not charge a office visit if you have the shots done by him so I know he is not saying this just to make money.

to my adult yorkies yes..i usually get the 5 way for the puppies

I see vets with vaccine programs...no office visit charge, discount for litters and a discount for entire series..of course, there are vets who take advantage money-wise...but I see so many really trying to cut costs...

Unless I knew the breeder very well... I would not buy a puppy given shots by the breeder..some are too hit or miss for me. Never thought I would say that..but a parvo outbreak last year proved to me many breeders have no clue what and when is necessary...the vet had dogs in the clinic with breeder shot records saying they had received parvo vaccines..and they had parvo...

My recent litter pick came from a long time breeder...I noticed the vet gave the shots...surprised me.

Ok! You live in California and I know what the vet and shot prices are there.

Here's what I do and recommend:

I take a collective stool sample prior to deworming.....I never deworm if not necessary.

I do my own puppy shots:

1. I order them through Revivalanimal.com

Vangaurd Plus 5 (order them before March 30th. Revival will have to reup their contract with them and the prices will increase by 40%. I spoke to their vet supply specialist and these vaccinations will have an expiration of 2011. Living in California and I assume you have litters of yorkies....Cornona, Lypto and Lyme are not needed or recommended.

2. I order the Intra III for Kennel Cough

3. Syringes are Monjet Luer Lock 3ML 25 x 5/8 A box of a hundred is less than $10.00 for a box of 100. I use them for everything from administering meds orally, vaccinations, Sub-Q, administering POP shots supplementing puppies.

Remember vaccinating your pup against Parva does not guarantee your pup will not contract the dreaded disease. That bit of information came from my vet.

Please do not think I am against breeders giving shots...did it for years. I would trust many YT breeders..I would not trust the average breeder I meet here in my area...

Understood. There are some I wouldn't trust either.

I know that when I order mine, I ask for overnight delivery and extra ice....never order in the summer, even with overnight delivery........

I strongly suggest that you order them via phone to make sure you ask for expiration dates.....

I questioned a breeder about using a vial that was 3 months expired..she said, and I quote.."vaccines are good for 6 months past the date"...learn something everyday...LOL

Mmmm, I throw away any I have left as soon as that expiration day hits...just don't want to take any chances.

Interesting convo.

Some vets do refuse breeder administered vaccines and I really do think their reasoning is valid. They just have no way of knowing if they were shipped, store, or given properly. Many people also get their vaccines from farm stores that tend to carry the ones from companies that aren't as good as Merial, Pfizer, etc. That's not to say that I think breeders should never do it. It just takes a lot of studying to make sure everything is right and the ability to dwal with a reaction should one arise or get to an ER very quickly. And the chances of overvaccination for these pups are slightly higher because vets may redo them...

Also, I'm pretty sure that a breeder wouldn't be able to buy the recombinant distemper by Merial which is looking very promising...

How do you find out what vaccines are really needed in your area?

you know what? i do my own but i dont think i trust anyone else who does..lol i trust my self but other people that i dont really know...then i dont trust them..except for my vet i love dr taylor and so does my puppies!! :)

You need to have a rapour with your vet and be up on what diseases are prevelant in your area.

Corona, Lept, Lime and Giardai vaccines are very detrimental to yorkies. So, unless there is an outbreak of these diseases in your area, I wouldn't recommend them.

Yes, I know :rolleyes:.

I guess I should've asked "Tammy - why, specifically are you giving Lepto (just curious)?"

with my adults dogs its never been an issue...i gave it to puppies once before and it wasnt an issue...ive grown up using the 7 way in all our dogs...no specific reason other than thats what we use...

puppies i typically use the 5 way but i have used the 7 way and never saw a lick of change