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mismolly 02-09-2010 12:12 AM

Need someone who has experience going after a breeder
 
Well... earlier I posted a venting complaint about my little Molly who was sold to me with SEVERE Coccidia and a resistence to Albon since the breeder had been giving that to her as supposed maintenance for prevention every other day only. She has had Albon treatment, then Tribrissen treatment and then again Albon treatment and is still testing positive for Coccidia. Since day 1 of bringing her home, I noticed that she was scratching a lot. Was worried she was getting allergies from the shots. She also had dry skin on her forehead and even the breeder had commented on that before I took her home and said it was probably dandruff and that he didn't think it was flees. Well..... a week ago at the vet I wanted a skin scraping just to be sure and rule anything bad out. Their microscope was broken so we had to wait until today. The vet really didn't think it would be anything, but... as she is looking under the microscope I hear this "Oh My......". She allowed me to look into this microscope and I about freaked the heck out by what I saw! My puppy on top of everything else has Sarcoptic Mange which is contagious to humans! I have 3 small children and I hug this little puppy and cuddle her little face (Where we know the mange for sure is) onto my cheek!!!! I am soooo beside myself and wish I had just bought the cute little boy in Azusa for $800. The breeder that I bought Molly from kept telling me I didn't want to buy a dog from a home breeder and that they are soooo professional, better and have high quality dogs. She also sold me Molly for a lot more money because she claimed she was a Teacup and that just by looking at her you can see the quality of the dog. That was why she was so much more money! I am very confident that they knew there was a Coccidia problem and clearly they are a puppy mill and I am thinking they very well knew about this Mange as well. I want to send her a certified letter requesting all of my money back, otherwise I will call the News and I will report here where ever I can. And take her to small claims court. I am sickened that she would sell me a 9 week old puppy that has so many issues and is far from done with treatments! I homeschool 3 small children and I am soooo drained over all of this!!! She finally has had normal stools for 2 weeks and now after being at the vet all day came home with diarrhea. Please if anyone can advise me on what wording I should send to this breeder, I would greatly appreciate. I just feel like I was so had and paid far too much for this puppy. I love her to pieces, but won't touch her now without gloves until I know she no longer has this!! This all sucks for all of us. I may have to take my whole darn family to the Dr. to be tested now. I also hope and pray that all of this crap my poor little puppy has had to have and take doesn't damage her for life! I just want to go and cry! God only knows what else this dog may be carrying or infected with from that sick puppy mill!!!

xxmxaxrxyxx 02-09-2010 12:44 AM

sorry for everything that you are going through right now with your new little girl...take a little breather sounds like you were holding your breath as you typed...lol...all jokes aside you can start with filing a report with BBB...and ripoff.com (i think) where did you get her from? what is the breeder name? maybe try googling her kennel and name to see what others have said about her...did you get a written health guarantee? anything?

KimberlySRN 02-09-2010 02:40 AM

The first thing I would do is call your breeder and let them know what is going on. Also get a letter from your vet to prove that the pup had to have had this before you brought your pup home.

red98vett 02-09-2010 04:21 AM

wow. :(:(Normally coccidia is very treatable but the Sarcoptic Mange is HORRIBLE and very hard to get rid of - it makes dogs miserable and can be contagious to everyone in your family.

Please read up on treatment - I knew someone who had to deal with it and it was a nightmare...I think you'll have to treat your home too :(

That breeder does suck ! I don't know what you can do except document every single thing and keep after them - they'll probably start ignoring you though......

all the best - that poor little puppy - if she has all this - chances are all the puppies coming from her do and that's where you can really help if you get someone to listen. IF She cares - she would help you with your vet bills - but many will wash their hands of you after the sale.

jencar98 02-09-2010 05:09 AM

IDK for certain but believe CA is one of the States with a good puppy lemon law. Definitely report this bad breeder to ripoffreport.com, the BBB and by posting here you're spreading the word if you post the breeder's name.

Good luck with your baby, I sympathize with you, treating a resistant coccidia is bad enough, but mange too....bless your hearts!

John Stelting 02-09-2010 06:42 AM

Issues with Breeder
 
Ok, so I'm going to sound like a bad person but

Before buying the puppy did you?

1. Check references of the breeder including Vet breeder uses?
2. Check the BBB for complaints?
3. Require a money back guarantee from breeder for any medical reasons?
4. Do any research on Yorkies..... (if so, you would of known there is no such thing as a Teacup Yorkie)
5. Look at other breeders in your area?



If no to any of the above, esp. #3 you are at fault too and you never would of purchased a puppy at 9 weeks of age or even thought about doing business with a breeder that would sell such a young puppy.


My 2 cents

John

mismolly 02-09-2010 10:15 AM

Yes John, I already know that I am an idiot! I have beaten myself up plenty already, But go ahead and keep at it if you like. I do know now that there is no such thing as a Tea Cup, but when I was wanting a Yorkie, that is all you see. I have many dogs, but I have no experience with buying such an expensive one and have never had a Yorkie. So shoot me! I have an AKC Pom. and an AKC Lab. Before that all of my dogs have been rescue dogs. My life has been very stressfull and I really wanted an indoor small dog again. What is done is done, but be that as it may, this Puppy Mill Breeder has NO BUSINESS selling puppies like this. Yes, I am an idiot and made a mistake, but either way, I should be able to get some type of money from her to pay for these vet bills! Yes, Jen, from what I have learned Calif. does have a strict puppy Lemon Law. Her contract states no health guarantee except if I find it in like 24-48 hours. I have never, ever of all of my dogs in all of the years had any with problems like this. Why should I expect this? I did figure if I found out she had some genetic problem a year later, that wouldn't really matter because by that time they are your family and you would never give them up. Heck, Molly is now my family and I would now never give her up. I may be an ass John, but this breeder is a bigger one! I was actually sent to her by an old friend who has 4 Yorkies and has had them for over 20 years (the breed). I trusted she knew what she was talking about.

I actually did do some research on Yorkies and I did read that there is no such thing as a Teacup, but then you see others who say there is. Either way, I wanted a small Yorkie. I did look at Breeders in my area as well, I looked at and called plenty. I now have told several Yorkie owners there is no such thing.

I just came here to request a little help (even though I was an idiot), I don't really care to get bashed by you or anyone else. I do and have been doing plenty of that to myself already. But thanks anyway.

livingdustmops 02-09-2010 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Stelting (Post 2995335)
Ok, so I'm going to sound like a bad person but

Before buying the puppy did you?

1. Check references of the breeder including Vet breeder uses?
2. Check the BBB for complaints?
3. Require a money back guarantee from breeder for any medical reasons?
4. Do any research on Yorkies..... (if so, you would of known there is no such thing as a Teacup Yorkie)
5. Look at other breeders in your area?



If no to any of the above, esp. #3 you are at fault too and you never would of purchased a puppy at 9 weeks of age or even thought about doing business with a breeder that would sell such a young puppy.


My 2 cents

John

John, while she does have some responsibility for not doing her homework when she bought a living creature...the breeders is the first one on the fault line because she/he should understand all of these issues before breeding and/or selling a dog.

jeanm1963 02-09-2010 10:27 AM

I am so sorry for you and I feel for you , I like you had NO idea what I was doing when I got my dog!! I was very sick with cancer and very depressed, Dr said get a dog, told me under 10 pds, came home googled, I found a yorkie, I would have ( at that time) gone to a pet store , but couldnt afford those prices around here ( 4000.00) , so I unknowingly went to a BYB... she actually seemed okay at the time, nice house, had mom and dad in her kitchen with my puppy... seemed nice, wouldnt let me take her till she was 12 weeks, BUT knowing what I do know she was a horrible breeder...I just didnt know what I was doing at the time, ignorance is no excuse but I like you was guilty of being stupid... My dog had Kennel cough and double ear infections... she didnt return my calls so I went to her house with my vet bills and would NOT Leave until I got MY MONEY... I suppose it could have been worse..
I believe you deserve the money back for the medical care but be careful because if that money exceeds the amount of the dog she can request the dog back, I dont know about you but , there was NO WAY I could have parted with my dog , not even after a few days I was in love with her... I hope you get some of the vet money back... and I pray your baby is better soon... Im very sorry you got screwed out of your money too!!

livingdustmops 02-09-2010 10:28 AM

I certainly hope you take action and read up on what you can do. California is much more progressive when it comes to protecting the person who purchased the dogs then many states....There is a lot of information out on the internet to review...just plug in California Puppy Lemon Laws...

Dog-Play: Getting a Dog Tips - California's Puppy Lemon Law

California Puppy Lemon Law

Take your emotion away and follow the law. You now need to do your homework even though you didn't when you bought this dog. Hopefully your little one will recover.

ARCHIE 02-09-2010 10:33 AM

What a dilema your in. I really feel for you and that little puppy.
I know your upset, who wouldn't be but did you call the breeder
with this new information? This will effect her whole kennel!
Maybe this will get her attention! Those poor dogs.
I hope you can get your baby healthy again.
Wishing you good luck and your little one good health.

bchgirl 02-09-2010 10:54 AM

Here is the actual statue detailing the California lemon law. It pertains only to sellers who sold more than 50 animals the previous year.

http://www.theanimalcouncil.com/file...ection_Act.pdf

mismolly 02-09-2010 01:46 PM

Thank You. There is no way I would give her back to them. I also thought that when I last read some of the Calif. Lemon Law links, I saw that you could get up to the amount and 1/2 of what was paid for the puppy in vet bills. I figured I should send her a letter and ask for what I want and if she doesn't pay me I will take her to small claims.
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanm1963 (Post 2995621)
I am so sorry for you and I feel for you , I like you had NO idea what I was doing when I got my dog!! I was very sick with cancer and very depressed, Dr said get a dog, told me under 10 pds, came home googled, I found a yorkie, I would have ( at that time) gone to a pet store , but couldnt afford those prices around here ( 4000.00) , so I unknowingly went to a BYB... she actually seemed okay at the time, nice house, had mom and dad in her kitchen with my puppy... seemed nice, wouldnt let me take her till she was 12 weeks, BUT knowing what I do know she was a horrible breeder...I just didnt know what I was doing at the time, ignorance is no excuse but I like you was guilty of being stupid... My dog had Kennel cough and double ear infections... she didnt return my calls so I went to her house with my vet bills and would NOT Leave until I got MY MONEY... I suppose it could have been worse..
I believe you deserve the money back for the medical care but be careful because if that money exceeds the amount of the dog she can request the dog back, I dont know about you but , there was NO WAY I could have parted with my dog , not even after a few days I was in love with her... I hope you get some of the vet money back... and I pray your baby is better soon... Im very sorry you got screwed out of your money too!!


mismolly 02-09-2010 01:51 PM

No, I have not called her. ANy dealing I do do with her, I feel should be in writing so that I have proof of all that is/was said. I did just speak to someone who believes they have been on the news before and had many after them. I sure would like to find some of these people.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARCHIE (Post 2995632)
What a dilema your in. I really feel for you and that little puppy.
I know your upset, who wouldn't be but did you call the breeder
with this new information? This will effect her whole kennel!
Maybe this will get her attention! Those poor dogs.
I hope you can get your baby healthy again.
Wishing you good luck and your little one good health.


Mardelin 02-09-2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mismolly (Post 2995927)
No, I have not called her. ANy dealing I do do with her, I feel should be in writing so that I have proof of all that is/was said. I did just speak to someone who believes they have been on the news before and had many after them. I sure would like to find some of these people.

Going the legal route through California Lemon Laws is your best route.

If you need someone to talk to PM me.....

RONLYNN 02-09-2010 05:08 PM

Take them to small claims court. The thing is you have to go to the court that is near where you bought your dog, not one that is near you. You have to make sure the court serves the city in which your dog was purchased. This is your best bet to get them to pay. They might just end up paying you so they don't have to go to court.

livingdustmops 02-09-2010 05:34 PM

Maybe I missed it but I guess I just assumed she bought the dog in California...If I am not mistaken the laws pertain to the state the dogs were sold in.

I wasn't aware a city made a difference...it could but I guess we have to ask the OP what state did the breeder live in?

scrapindee 02-09-2010 06:16 PM

If she bought the dog in California, the small claims court the complaint is filed in is where/the county where the breeder lives (where the purchase took place). If the dog was bought in another state, she will have to find out about that state's laws.

Notify the BBB, the city attorney, and identify where the breeder is located for additional help from those of us in California.

mismolly 02-09-2010 06:44 PM

Yes I did buy her in California. I actually live really close to Redlands. But the breeder was in Los Angeles County.

scrapindee 02-09-2010 06:58 PM

Then you are in luck. You need to find a small claims court in LA county--the closest one to you--make it inconvenient for the breeder. Take your bills and copy of your contract and proof of payment, and file a small claims suit.

PM me if you want to talk.

cj125 02-09-2010 07:37 PM

I think if the breeder was giving Molly the Albon every other day - they must know they have a problem.

Please put the name of the breeder in the "Breeder Review" section. I think people have a right to be alerted about this.

I feel so bad for you, your family and Molly. The majority of us weren't aware of all the "right" questions to ask a breeder either. At least you found YT and do come here to ask for help/info.

I'm sure with all the love and concern you have for Molly that she'll come through this ok.

Good Luck!

Mardelin 02-09-2010 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2996545)
I think if the breeder was giving Molly the Albon every other day - they must know they have a problem.

Please put the name of the breeder in the "Breeder Review" section. I think people have a right to be alerted about this.

I feel so bad for you, your family and Molly. The majority of us weren't aware of all the "right" questions to ask a breeder either. At least you found YT and do come here to ask for help/info.

I'm sure with all the love and concern you have for Molly that she'll come through this ok.

Good Luck!

Connie,

I think she should wait on putting this breeder on the Breeder Review section. Until she files her claim.

mismolly 02-09-2010 07:43 PM

Thank you so much! At least 99% of you have been so helpful and kind! I am happy to post the breeders name and website, but for now I want to resolve my dispute with her one way or another. Let me say this, if anyone goes to see any puppies in Los Angeles county, beware if they are in a home where an Asian couple care for them. The lady we call first and later meet at this home is caucasion. Feel free to PM me if you come in contact with such people and I will happily confirm if they are the same.
Quote:

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2996545)
I think if the breeder was giving Molly the Albon every other day - they must know they have a problem.

Please put the name of the breeder in the "Breeder Review" section. I think people have a right to be alerted about this.

I feel so bad for you, your family and Molly. The majority of us weren't aware of all the "right" questions to ask a breeder either. At least you found YT and do come here to ask for help/info.

I'm sure with all the love and concern you have for Molly that she'll come through this ok.

Good Luck!


mismolly 02-09-2010 07:45 PM

Ivermectin
 
What REALLY worries me is that she was given Ivermectin yesterday minutes after I saw the yucky bug under the vets microscope. I had never heard of it and knew nothing about it. I now have seen some scary things about that drug. So far she doesn't seem to have a reaction to it and I pray that in 2 weeks when she gets it again she is still ok.

Dixies Mom 02-09-2010 07:53 PM

Steps
 
First of all you have to notify the breeder and give them a chance to make it right. If this fails contact the BBB, they can at times mediate between the parties, If that fails, contact the Attorney General they also will mediate between the two parties. If this fails, file in small claims court. All of this is done in the county of the breeder.
If you follow these steps you will be able to show the courts you have tried in good faith several times, to resolve this.
Review the breeder where ever allowed and on Rip off report. People will continue to buy from this breeder unless they are informed.

MauiGirl 02-09-2010 08:09 PM

I am sorry for this nightmare, and sincerely hope things will work out, that the pup will recover, and you will get some compensation for the vet & medical costs, as well as the possible damages to your family and home.

Wish you all the best!

WV~Yorkies 02-10-2010 02:52 AM

I would talk to the breeder first and give her a chance to make it right.

This might sound cold but I would give the pup back and ask for a refund. No way would I risk my childrens health. With 3 "small" children a yorkie that tiny might not be right for your family. She could be seriously injured.

red98vett 02-10-2010 04:17 AM

I already posted but am curious as to what this breeder sold your puppy for -

Paying LOTS of money and getting sucked in by the word teacup is very common - the more people warn others not to fall for those kinds of breeders (and 'sale' words') - the better for others who don't know better.

we all love tiny dogs - but many don't know the issues that come with them or that can happen down the road. I wish anyone breeding would stick to standards ! A yorkie is a very small dog already.....

I hope you can get these issues under control - coccidia CAN be deadly if not treated - but normally it IS treatable.....

but the S-Mange is horrible ! not only for the dogs but for YOU. I do think you'll have to treat your whole house if you know for sure that's what she had - poor baby ! I'd still go after her for help with vet bills - then go from there....

mommadog1 02-10-2010 06:10 AM

Your actually very lucky (besides sick puppy) due to the california puppy lemon law. Not many states even have them but CA is one, if not the best!!

California Lemon Laws for Dogs

Forget the BBB right now, and other reporting agencies and get the letter along with the pups vet report, and get it to her NOW. Mail it certified so she has to sign for it, also email her and CC yourself and another person you know.

I cannot find out who your supposed to get to enforce the lemon law but I would guess probably animal control.. Call them and make a report now as well, do not wait another minute. If she is also a USDA breeder, contact them as well.

Personally I would not keep the puppy. I would return it and enforce the lemon laws on her, get a full refund plus what she has to pay for the vet fee's. You may think keeping the puppy is saving it, but I think keeping it is going to be a hardship on you and your family. The puppy as well. The treatments for mange are long and time consuming to say the least.

Get your money back and then come here for help on finding a reputable breeder in your area. I KNOW there are many good ones in CA. You can also get a sick puppy from a small in home breeder too so you cannot go by that alone.

I went through heck with Pennie when I got her and I got her from a small in home/hobby breeder!! Pennie had giardia and it took 4 weeks to find that out because it is hard to see even at a lab. so you have to take stool in every other week for 3 weeks (3 tests) if the first 2 do not show anything. After the 3rd negative then that means they don't have it. Pennie showed positive with the 2nd stool giardia test.

She was sick from day 2. It started with her not wanting to eat, then not eating at all. I had to force feed her with a syringe for 5 weeks. It was horrible because she kept having hypoglycemia attacks, I had to feed her every 2 hours. She was 1.7 pounds the first day, I took her to my vet before I even went home with her.

She was a little thin. also she was 8 weeks old. I didn't know any better, and I should have, that these little pups need to stay with mom at least until 12 weeks. I would never have gotten a pup from her had I known this. Now of course I know and that will never happen again!

I noticed flaky skin when I picked her up and I kinda had a feeling it was skin mites (AKA walking dandruff).. And yep she had them. I think I would rather have fleas... I hate these things cus they always feed on ME...lol It seems like almost every pup I have bought has had them.

She had a BAD case of them and it took me 2 treatments to get rid of them. Then it took weeks to get rid of the flakes. And she lost a lot of hair. So by the time she was 4 months she had no hair on her chest and front legs and all the other hair was very sparse.

It is starting to grown back in, but it is going to take a long time because she lost so much.

Once she got on the meds for giardia within 12 days she was up walking around, 3rd day she was actually playing, never done that before. And by the 5th day (final day of treatment) she had done a complete 180. And now she eats like a piggy;)

I spent 1100.00 for her, and then another $1,000.00 on vet, tests, and special food. I got NOTHING back. She refused to give me my money back, went against her own contract/guarantee.

There is nothing I can do in WA state, we have NO lemon laws for puppies here. I could have taken her to small claims court and probably would have won but I just didn't want to mess with it. And the other thing, report her to animal control (they deal will all breeders and animal issues here). The just would have went out and checked out the dogs and place. But you cannot always tell if a pup is sick right away.

I am sorry I went on and on.. I have been scr*wed a few times buying dogs. Those were from breeders in other states. Now I only buy from local people I now know and trust, and if I were to have one shipped it would also be from someone I know very well. I know a lot more now then I did when I first started breeding 8 years ago. This local breeder looked great, had good record. The only red flag for me was the age of the pup being sold, and I didn't see the flag then.

Even with a contract in CA it has to go with what the lemon laws are or it's worth nothing.. Do you have one from her?

mommadog1 02-10-2010 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Stelting (Post 2995335)
Ok, so I'm going to sound like a bad person but

Before buying the puppy did you?

1. Check references of the breeder including Vet breeder uses?
2. Check the BBB for complaints?
3. Require a money back guarantee from breeder for any medical reasons?
4. Do any research on Yorkies..... (if so, you would of known there is no such thing as a Teacup Yorkie)
5. Look at other breeders in your area?



If no to any of the above, esp. #3 you are at fault too and you never would of purchased a puppy at 9 weeks of age or even thought about doing business with a breeder that would sell such a young puppy.


My 2 cents

John

:( Thats not nice. I think she already knows that. No reason to beat her up some more. It\'s not going to help her now, in the future she will know.

What matters now, is helping her!


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