Breeding and Whelping Questions

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by AHicks99

Hey Mary

Can you share your whelping pudding recipe with me? Ive not heard of feeding while whelping. I do however feed pregant females and nursing females Chicken and rice with dry dog food. Any tips?

Sure, Both are posted all over YT.

I offer during and immediately after whelp, when all has settled down.

1. Can of Goats Milk
2. Equal Parts of Distilled Water
3. Egg Yolk well beaten
4. 1 Tablespoon of Light Karo Syrup.

During the Nursing Time


1. 12 oz of distilled water, warmed in microwave
2. 1 envelope of unflavored geletin - disolve in warmed water.
3. 2 well beaten egg yolks
4. 2 tablespoons of Karo Syrup
5. 2 Tablespoons of Vanilla Yogurt (low-fat).

I spoon out a tablespoon a couple of times a day and offer it to mom in addition to her food.

I put mom's on a high quality puppy kibble and canned food, steamed boneless, skinless chicken breast......Offer nothing that has soy in it.....it is a calcium depleter. Even treats are all natural......Also, on any litter that is larger than 2....A scrambled egg a day with calcium.....lots of sunshine...need that vitamin D to absorb that calcium properly.

[amcgriff88]

Thank you for clarifying this. A lot of people believe, and I know I had been told by a past mentor, that a female should be bred with a smaller male to ensure that the puppies in utero are not too big for you female. I have always questioned this with Vets and mentors and I have been told the same as you have just said by most. Again, this comes down to the reasoning for most breeders line-breeding, correct? The only reason to be concerned about a male being larger than your female is that he could hurt the female during the mating, but this also comes down to the importance of holding the dogs until they are untied to prevent this.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

What was stated is new to me about the size and so on. Ive always heard its best to breed your female to a smaller male. And to not breed a small female to a bigger male.

Again, this is a misnomer....All is dependent on both dogs lineage.....Breeding yorkies is not pheno to pheno type. It's a very difficult breed to breed.....

I have studs that are small and fine boned and the pups that have been whelped are in the 5 to 6 oz range and have grown to 7 and a couple to 8 pounds........The male does not control the size....it's all in the genetics.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by amcgriff88

Thank you for clarifying this. A lot of people believe, and I know I had been told by a past mentor, that a female should be bred with a smaller male to ensure that the puppies in utero are not too big for you female. I have always questioned this with Vets and mentors and I have been told the same as you have just said by most. Again, this comes down to the reasoning for most breeders line-breeding, correct? The only reason to be concerned about a male being larger than your female is that he could hurt the female during the mating, but this also comes down to the importance of holding the dogs until they are untied to prevent this.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, that is the importance of line breeding but, it doesn't always give you a guarantee.

I'd be more concerned with the female hurting the male.......That is unless you're attempting to breed a larger different breed to a yorkie.

Puppy size in utero is controlled by the mother......

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by amcgriff88

Thank you for clarifying this. A lot of people believe, and I know I had been told by a past mentor, that a female should be bred with a smaller male to ensure that the puppies in utero are not too big for you female. I have always questioned this with Vets and mentors and I have been told the same as you have just said by most. Again, this comes down to the reasoning for most breeders line-breeding, correct? The only reason to be concerned about a male being larger than your female is that he could hurt the female during the mating, but this also comes down to the importance of holding the dogs until they are untied to prevent this.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

I have had bad experiences with a little male, that probably had a "horse" sized relative on his background and even some of my free whelpers had c-sections with him... also the final size of the litter... some ended up perfect at 4- 5 pounds fully grown and another almost 10 pounds. This is a champion blooded from a very reputable breeder ... obviously did not make a good match to my females. I did not even kept a female from him.
Somewhat it is true... if you know your female is 5 pounds why would you breed her to a 7 pound male? makes not much sense as it is clear he has the genes for bigger. But no doubt you need to know the lines very very well ! I learned my lesson. And so did many other breeders. I know a few people that got disappointed with the lines of the breeders that championed this male i am talking about. Apparently they have some bigger and heavier traits on their lines. It may work well for their females but i know at least another 4 good breeders that encountered the same i did.
We are holding back a male from our family and he is not going to be a tiny boy, but we know very well all of his generations, health, size, temperament and traits. Although he is not the smallest male, he has nice lines. And to be honest a nice sized male breeds so much easier than a very little one.
I would say.... do not breed a 7 pound male to a 5 pound female... but also do not trust a 3.5 /4 pound male as it can just be the runt ! Also it is 50 % 50% ... get to know your females well too.... and specially the family whelping history ... does she come from free whelpers??? I read a post from mardelin about it a long time ago and she mentioned that. Again, i am learning a lot, and my family breeds dogs for soooo long... my Great grandma was a breeder already and she did not have the studies and resources we have today, but the word of wisdom was always passed down and todays researches are only confirming what they had found out through experience years ago.

XOXO

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets

I have had bad experiences with a little male, that probably had a "horse" sized relative on his background and even some of my free whelpers had c-sections with him... also the final size of the litter... some ended up perfect at 4- 5 pounds fully grown and another almost 10 pounds. This is a champion blooded from a very reputable breeder ... obviously did not make a good match to my females. I did not even kept a female from him.
Somewhat it is true... if you know your female is 5 pounds why would you breed her to a 7 pound male? makes not much sense as it is clear he has the genes for bigger. But no doubt you need to know the lines very very well ! I learned my lesson. And so did many other breeders. I know a few people that got disappointed with the lines of the breeders that championed this male i am talking about. Apparently they have some bigger and heavier traits on their lines. It may work well for their females but i know at least another 4 good breeders that encountered the same i did.
We are holding back a male from our family and he is not going to be a tiny boy, but we know very well all of his generations, health, size, temperament and traits. Although he is not the smallest male, he has nice lines. And to be honest a nice sized male breeds so much easier than a very little one.
I would say.... do not breed a 7 pound male to a 5 pound female... but also do not trust a 3.5 /4 pound male as it can just be the runt ! Also it is 50 % 50% ... get to know your females well too.... and specially the family whelping history ... does she come from free whelpers??? I read a post from mardelin about it a long time ago and she mentioned that. Again, i am learning a lot, and my family breeds dogs for soooo long... my Great grandma was a breeder already and she did not have the studies and resources we have today, but the word of wisdom was always passed down and todays researches are only confirming what they had found out through experience years ago.

XOXO

Here's a bit of wisdom. If you like a certain stud, go back to the stud's sire and use him. After all you can see what the stud's sire has already produced.

I have a very fined boned male.....wasn't the runt a Johnnie Handsome Grandson. 99% of the time he produces his sire, who was around 7 pounds and medium boned.....I've put him with my females who always range in the 6 to 7 pound range......they always produce pups in the 4 to 6 oz range.....

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Here's a bit of wisdom. If you like a certain stud, go back to the stud's sire and use him. After all you can see what the stud's sire has already produced.

I have a very fined boned male.....wasn't the runt a Johnnie Handsome Grandson. 99% of the time he produces his sire, who was around 7 pounds and medium boned.....I've put him with my females who always range in the 6 to 7 pound range......they always produce pups in the 4 to 6 oz range.....

it may the words... it makes sense to me just half and ...

Yes i get it on the use of the sire... the main reason we are keeping in our family a male from our actual sire, who is actually very little but that is not the reason we like him. But being little he has such a hard time breeding ... kkkk ...
some days i think he will die in the middle of so much "looooviiing"...kkkk

"99% of the time he produces his sire, who was around 7 pounds "

That is the part i did not understand???
What do you mean?

Thanks as always ...
XOXO

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets

it may the words... it makes sense to me just half and ...

Yes i get it on the use of the sire... the main reason we are keeping in our family a male from our actual sire, who is actually very little but that is not the reason we like him. But being little he has such a hard time breeding ... kkkk ...
some days i think he will die in the middle of so much "looooviiing"...kkkk

"99% of the time he produces his sire, who was around 7 pounds "

That is the part i did not understand???
What do you mean?

Thanks as always ...
XOXO

OK! 50% of the genes are contributed by sire and dam. 25% by grandsire and grand dam......12% by great grand sire and dam.

It's a gift when you find a stud that reproduces himself. My boy has done it twice....the rest he's produced his sire's size. Now there are his attributes that have been passed down to him via Pastoral, This Time and Firacres (all lthese lines are pretty much intertwined) Lines......such as showmanship, head carriage, movement, temperament, health, intelligence and topline as well as that gorgeous head.....that he does pass down to his offspring.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Sure, Both are posted all over YT.

I offer during and immediately after whelp, when all has settled down.

1. Can of Goats Milk
2. Equal Parts of Distilled Water
3. Egg Yolk well beaten
4. 1 Tablespoon of Light Karo Syrup.

During the Nursing Time

1. 12 oz can of Evaporated Milk
2. 12 oz of distilled water, warmed in microwave
3. 1 envelope of unflavored geletin - disolve in warmed water.
4. 2 well beaten egg yolks
5. 2 tablespoons of Karo Syrup
6. 2 Tablespoons of Vanilla Yogurt (low-fat).

Mix all together and chill until set
I spoon out a tablespoon a couple of times a day and offer it to mom in addition to her food.

I put mom's on a high quality puppy kibble and canned food, steamed boneless, skinless chicken breast......Offer nothing that has soy in it.....it is a calcium depleter. Even treats are all natural......Also, on any litter that is larger than 2....A scrambled egg a day with calcium.....lots of sunshine...need that vitamin D to absorb that calcium properly.

Hey Guys....brain went haywire...and I left a couple of things out of the whelping pudding recipe.....