Thinkin bout breeding 2 a Biewer or Parti

[SassyAnn101]

When I got my first Yorkie a few years ago I felt much as you do. I did not understand why having papers mattered, or what the harm in letting my Gizmo father a litter of puppies would be. I by chance purchased him locally from two very sweet ladies who had a house full of Yorkies, and sometimes breed them. He was AKC registered, but I did not even send in his papers. I Loved him with all my heart. He became my life. There had been a couple of people ask me if I would stud him out to their little girls for a fee. I had considered allowing this when he was older, but I did not like the thought of letting him stay with strangers. He was so cute, why not share that little face with others? but shortly after bringing him home he began getting sick. He would shake, and not be able to stand up at times. I would rush him to the vet, and after IV fluids he snapped out of it and was fine. My wallet on the other hand took a hard hit. Aprox. $200.00 each visit. Sometimes more depending on how long he stayed and what meds he was to take. This went on for almost four years before I learned that he had a liver shunt and would need surgery if he were to have any chance to live. Before I purchased Gizmo I had no ideal what a Liver Shunt was, but I learned that it is a defect that is inherited. I lost Gizmo in Feb of 2008 after complications from having livershunt surgery. I spent well over $20,000.00 in his short life trying to save him. He is just one example of what happens when people breed their babies without knowing their background. Yes you could share a part of your pet with someone, but you could be setting someone up for a huge heart break, and put a innocent puppy through alot of pain.

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by kmm_fantacy

she is pure breed... the only reason she doesnt have papers is because her parrents didnt get their papers because the owner didnt believe in papers and hadnt planned on breeding them... and no im not trying to get a cheap dog I dont see why if someone wants to have a litter why people think im trying to scam or make money...



WHY ARE PAPERS SO IMPORTANT?
Why does it seem like its being said that it makes my dog not as important or special because she doesnt have papers... that doesnt mean that she is not as smart, beautiful, loving, carring, loyal, exc. as any other dog with papers... there should not be any problem with sharing my wonderful dog with the world and giving other people the joy I have and get with my dog. She is a great dog and I think there is nothing wrong with sharing her with other familys...

with that being said.... yes there are many papies, dogs, exc. in pounds, kennals, out on the streets exc. Im sorry for that I would take everyone of them and give them love if I could... but I cant and not everyone wants to rescue them and that sucks... I do what I can volintering where ever i can and whatever... but just because there are lots of dogs without homes doesnt mean that no one should breed their own dog if they wanted to or be accused of money scams or getting cheep puppies....

and now ranting off that note... there are thosands of orphin kids in the world so should I not have a kid because there so many without homes... my pets are people... and as a matter of fact sometime i treat them better than people... they are equals to me and if i have the right to have kids and even though i dont have any paper stating that i am full blooded white person with blonde hair and blue eyes should mean that i cant have kids with someone with brown hair... and that is wrong...

I guess i dont understand why papers are so important when i dont think it makes any dog nessisarily better than anyother dog... I love my Alice... papers or no.... and wouldnt traid her with a dog with papers or would have looked over her for a different dog that has papers... I dont see why papers are so important for a family dog....

Please do not compare puppies to children, they are not comparable in any way. To compare is just silliness. Yes, there are lots of children in this world that do not have a home, that have terrible lives, that are starving. That is not right, but it is a totally different problem, it is related to world politics and has nothing to do with breeding puppies. Unwanted puppies are euthanized, unwanted children, well hopefully not. Backyard breeders are the single most contributing factor to the euthanasia of unwanted pets. Please watch this video courtesy of No Puppy Mills, Canada and perhaps encourage future owners of yorkies to adopt from a shelter.
Warning video is very graphic but I think everyone who wants to breed should see it. http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/bruno_0002.wmv

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by SassyAnn101

When I got my first Yorkie a few years ago I felt much as you do. I did not understand why having papers mattered, or what the harm in letting my Gizmo father a litter of puppies would be. I by chance purchased him locally from two very sweet ladies who had a house full of Yorkies, and sometimes breed them. He was AKC registered, but I did not even send in his papers. I Loved him with all my heart. He became my life. There had been a couple of people ask me if I would stud him out to their little girls for a fee. I had considered allowing this when he was older, but I did not like the thought of letting him stay with strangers. He was so cute, why not share that little face with others? but shortly after bringing him home he began getting sick. He would shake, and not be able to stand up at times. I would rush him to the vet, and after IV fluids he snapped out of it and was fine. My wallet on the other hand took a hard hit. Aprox. $200.00 each visit. Sometimes more depending on how long he stayed and what meds he was to take. This went on for almost four years before I learned that he had a liver shunt and would need surgery if he were to have any chance to live. Before I purchased Gizmo I had no ideal what a Liver Shunt was, but I learned that it is a defect that is inherited. I lost Gizmo in Feb of 2008 after complications from having livershunt surgery. I spent well over $20,000.00 in his short life trying to save him. He is just one example of what happens when people breed their babies without knowing their background. Yes you could share a part of your pet with someone, but you could be setting someone up for a huge heart break, and put a innocent puppy through alot of pain.

Great point, thanks for sharing yoiur story. Sorry for what you had to go through.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Please do not compare puppies to children, they are not comparable in any way. To compare is just silliness. Yes, there are lots of children in this world that do not have a home, that have terrible lives, that are starving. That is not right, but it is a totally different problem, it is related to world politics and has nothing to do with breeding puppies. Unwanted puppies are euthanized, unwanted children, well hopefully not. Backyard breeders are the single most contributing factor to the euthanasia of unwanted pets. Please watch this video courtesy of No Puppy Mills, Canada and perhaps encourage future owners of yorkies to adopt from a shelter.
Warning video is very graphic but I think everyone who wants to breed should see it. http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/bruno_0002.wmv

There is a big difference between a BYB and a puppy mill.

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

There is a big difference between a BYB and a puppy mill.

Of course there is, and I am aware of the difference. The dog in the video was bred by a back yard breeder.

Audrey

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Please do not compare puppies to children, they are not comparable in any way. To compare is just silliness. Yes, there are lots of children in this world that do not have a home, that have terrible lives, that are starving. That is not right, but it is a totally different problem, it is related to world politics and has nothing to do with breeding puppies. Unwanted puppies are euthanized, unwanted children, well hopefully not. Backyard breeders are the single most contributing factor to the euthanasia of unwanted pets. Please watch this video courtesy of No Puppy Mills, Canada and perhaps encourage future owners of yorkies to adopt from a shelter.
Warning video is very graphic but I think everyone who wants to breed should see it. http://www.nopuppymillscanada.ca/bruno_0002.wmv

Thanks for posting the link to the site. Here is a page the OP might be interesting in seeing.

No Puppy Mills Canada

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

Please do not compare puppies to children, they are not comparable in any way. To compare is just silliness.

Thank you for making this point. I have never understood the comparison that is often made between the lives of humans and the lives of dogs. The two situation are not equatable. Your options and how you would handle the situation with one cannot be used as a basis for judging the same situation with the other.

[Sookie]

Originally Posted by SassyAnn101

When I got my first Yorkie a few years ago I felt much as you do. I did not understand why having papers mattered, or what the harm in letting my Gizmo father a litter of puppies would be. I by chance purchased him locally from two very sweet ladies who had a house full of Yorkies, and sometimes breed them. He was AKC registered, but I did not even send in his papers. I Loved him with all my heart. He became my life. There had been a couple of people ask me if I would stud him out to their little girls for a fee. I had considered allowing this when he was older, but I did not like the thought of letting him stay with strangers. He was so cute, why not share that little face with others? but shortly after bringing him home he began getting sick. He would shake, and not be able to stand up at times. I would rush him to the vet, and after IV fluids he snapped out of it and was fine. My wallet on the other hand took a hard hit. Aprox. $200.00 each visit. Sometimes more depending on how long he stayed and what meds he was to take. This went on for almost four years before I learned that he had a liver shunt and would need surgery if he were to have any chance to live. Before I purchased Gizmo I had no ideal what a Liver Shunt was, but I learned that it is a defect that is inherited. I lost Gizmo in Feb of 2008 after complications from having livershunt surgery. I spent well over $20,000.00 in his short life trying to save him. He is just one example of what happens when people breed their babies without knowing their background. Yes you could share a part of your pet with someone, but you could be setting someone up for a huge heart break, and put a innocent puppy through alot of pain.

That was a heartbreaking story and I'm so sorry about Gizmo. On the other hand, it was good of you to share your story - we can all learn something from it.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by kmm_fantacy

It would be in the future... just thinking ahead.... Alice doesnt have any papers... but I want her to be a mommy at least once so im not going to sell them for any great amount or anything... but is there any other way to find a stud other than on breeder sights the are so expencive... we just want babies....

Anyone have tips, sugestion, anything I should know..... anyone know of a boy that wants to make sweet sweet loving to my baby someday?

Well it's a good thing that you are thinking ahead. |Because there is a lot to think about. For example: what are the tests you need to have on your girl to insure she is free from genetic defects that can be passed onto her puppies. What is the health history of her parents, and what verifiable tests were done on them?

How will you screen your prospective buyers of any future pups\? How will you support the purchaser of your puppies throughout their life?
What kind of health guarantees will you be prepared to offer?

What will you do if all those pups are not sold? What about purchasers who wish to return said pups?

How many litters have you bred before ? Do you have a mentor? Some of these questions have already been asked in previous posters.

To breed is not for the dilatant, it requires an immense amount of learning, preparation and expense.

AS a purchaser and supporter of pure bred dogs I would never buy a dog from parents with no papers, no health tests, no health guarantees, if I want to take those kinds of risks I would just go to my local animal shelter and rescue one of the many many dogs that have been given up for adoption.

I urge you to consider all the many wise responses you have received and learn all you can.