i was not even thinking apology, i just think you are a rude person, thats all just downright RUDE !

Uhm...I'm not going to tell you what I think of you. I don't think we should be at each others throats on a public forum, it's not right to everyone else reading. Good luck with your research, I hope everything works out for the best to everyone involved. :)

I totally understand your passion but we have to ask ourselves if we really have the animals best intrest at heart here then what are we really accomplishing by running people off who have questions and could learn from our knowledge?

elle57, I do hope that you will continue to come and ask questions. There really is a wealth of information here. Best of luck in your decision making. ;)

I realized I made a mistake, hence me backing off. :)

Good luck Elle. :)

I may have been a bit harsh too. I see these threads every once in a while, the OP is determined to get the puppy, and even though multiple say red flag, don't buy the dog, the person continues to make excuses or shrug off all the information they are receiving because they want the dog anyways. I'm not saying that is what you are doing now, but in the beginning it was person after person saying it was probably a puppy mill and you just tried to believe otherwise. I hate seeing people make mistakes when they are so easily prevented. I don't know why you are still interested in this breeder, when you said she has them outdoors? If I was looking for a puppy, just one red flag and I'd look for a different one. There are so many breeders out there don't just settle on one since a puppy is cheap.

thank you for not blasting me. i did not do anything stupid, all i want is info about the breeder, thats why i come to this wonderful website. i have tried to google the website for puppy mills and i do not come up with anything on it. but tomorrow i will continue to search and ask her questions , which i just emailed her for some.
i just feel like i was rudely spoken to and made to feel stupid and ignorant, when i know and would never ever buy from those places.
thats why i ask from the best of the best-yorkietalk
thank you

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: WONDERFUL post! Exactly how I reacted.

i see they are outdoors, but all i am saying she has them outdoors and taking pics of them. she claims to have them in a heated and cooled area and then when she comes home from work she has them in her house. like i said if someone on here knows something about the breeder, that would be great.all i was doing is asking, there are alot of people from all over the usa and maybe they had dealings with her.

Where in Arkansas is she located?

elle57- First I want to say good luck in your search for a puppy!

Secondly this does not look like a reputable breeder IMHO... I think what would be best to consider is if she is a BYB or Miller that by buying this pup you would be putting these poor things through more thoughtless breeding. Please consider looking for a better option. I really think you would be happier with a puppy from a breeder who really has their dogs as a part of their family. A breeder who has had these dogs under foot and knows everything about them. Maybe someone here on YT can suggest some good breeders in her area? I personally adopted my little girl. Have you considered going through a rescue? While puppies are cute and fun they are also a lot of trouble!!! Why not adopt an older dog who is already trained and through all the teething, neutering, and what not? I too feel it is better to approach things in a kind fashion however I do understand the other member's passion for the subject. You have to realize while not approached in the best way they really are just looking out for you. I hope you find the perfect pet for your home!!! Good luck and please think everything through completely!!! Good job coming on here to ask questions just try to look for the good in everyones advice.

Happy New Year!

I haven't adopted from her or heard of her but I would not adopt a yorkie or biewer from her when there are breeders who have yorkies and biewers that are the standard. Also when looking to get a new pet,don't let low prices pull you in. I would pay over 1000 to have a healthy pup than 400 and have a sick one that was kept in a outside kennel with no love or attention.

I know you will find the puppy for you! Good luck!

From searching online, looks like the breeder is in Van Buren, AR. I didn't find any reviews online or really any other info (in a cursory search)

Here are a few links for you to check out
Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA
Biewer Breed Club Canada Welcomes you!
Biewer Breed Club of America Rescue - Home

JMHO, one red flag is enough to walk away. Were you given any references by this breeder to check? People who have bought from her? Call the Humane Society in her town and ask about the breeder. Call Animal Control and ask about her. Sounds like a lot of folks here told you the truth, don't buy a puppy for "cheap" because you will pay for it in the long run at the vet and with worry.

Jan gave you some great referrals for finding the right puppy for you.

Biewer and Yorkshire Haven.
 

Good Afternoon! I trust you are all having a great day......at my expense. I am the PROUD owner and breeder of Biewer and Yorkshire Haven. It came to my attention that I had become the topic of conversation on Yorkie Talk. That is real interesting, because not a one of you even knows me or my dogs so you are not really at liberty to judge me, my dogs, my life or my motives.
I have heard that I am a puppy mill. Yes, I do keep my dogs outside during the day when I am at work. They are in a heated and cooled building which is well insulated. Beds are also provided in each and every stall along with toys which are cleaned and sanitized. In addition they also have a radio playing Christian music all day. These "kennels' allow my dogs to be inside and outside in a covered area while I cannot be with them. They are never on a wire surface at any time. My puppies are kept in puppy play pens or in my bathroom with their moms. All of my moms are always inside the house and I am present when each and every pup is born. When my pups are born I weigh each one of them and assure that they are able to attach at eat. I free feed my dogs Royal Canin dog food. When my mom's are pregnant they get feed Royal Canin's starter food. When the puppies start eating they start out on the starter food and then transition to the Royal Canin mini breed puppy food. All of my dogs have access to clean water and food 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I guess if I am a puppy milll I should start using Old Roy and only offer it 2 times a day as that would be a great way to save money!
My dogs all sleep in the house in the bed with my husband and I. Yes, I said in the bed. My dogs are very socialized and well loved. They are always inside the home with us when we are home. I am not as fortunate as all of you are to stay home all day and gossip on Yorkie Talk. I have to work to pay for my puppies, dogs, birds and horses. Oh yes, in addition I also have to care for my mom and grandma who have Alzeheimers. I guess to save money here I should keep them all outside as I am sure I would get a lot more sleep as the bed is very crowded. I also think it would save me time and money as I would not have to instantly clean up after them when they have accidents or get sick. Hey! Being a puppy mill sounds a lot easier......
My dogs are bathed with Oatmeal Shampoo and conditioned with Oatmeal Conditioner in addition to De Stuff conditioner for matts/tangles. Pet Edge is a great resource for that! This is done on a weekly basis. Sorry I do not have the time to do this daily, nor do I have the time to groom them daily or even weekly. I do brush my dogs, but I do not routinely tape their ears. Most of my adult Biewer dogs I have paid the usually $ 3,000-4,000 and their ears were not up when I got some of them. I guess I am to blame for that.
As a so called puppy milll owner I guess it would have made more sense for me to have allowed dogs to have been shipped to me even with an overnight stay rather than taking off work and flying to Canada to pick them up and get home with them only being in a kennel for 7 hours. That would have been a lot cheaper not to mention I could have stayed at my job.
The brushing of teeth. I guess as a puppymill owner I should stop this practice as well as I would not care if my dogs teeth and gums are healthy.
The vet......yes, I have a vet with whom I use. I am even on his cell phone so when I call him at 3:00 am he answers saying "Hello Laura". I guess I should wait and call him during normal hours that would also be a lot cheaper. Is he related to me.....only because I have paid for that new building he is in. I wish he was related as maybe I would get some breaks on the cost of shots, declawing, docking, c-sections, heart worm test, microchipping and all of the other cost associated with caring for your animals in a responsible manner.
Selling a Biewer puppy for $600.00 dollars. Now I realize that is dumb. I really should have sold him for a couple of thousand and disregarded his blue eyes. I am sure as a puppy mill owner I would not have thought twice about doing this even though it is a genetic defect. No I had to be stupid and think about what is best for the breed and this individual puppy so I am selling him for an inexpensive cost with registration papers to be delivered upon proof of his neutering. FYI: He is registered with BYA and they do not allow limited registration.
Yes, I admit I do allow my dogs to breed, but as a puppy mill owner I guess I should start breeding them every time they come into heat rather than every other heat cycle. This way I can double my profits and you know who cares about the health of the dogs anyway. Gosh as a reported puppy mill owner I really do need to get smarter there is so much more money to make….
Hey to whoever said I have a slick website. Thanks I work hard at that. I guess I should also get rid of my website as that cost money, not to mention time.
I guess I should thank all of you for your suggesting I am a puppymill and do not care for my animals. I could save a lot of money with your ideas and suggestions.
Yes, I am being very sarcastic......I cannot believe that everyone does not have more productive things to do with their time and energy. Did you know that positive actions results in positive reactions. I always thought this website was about helping people get useful information and advice. I guess I was wrong. It seems it is more about running everyone else down. To give advice about how to select a breeder, a puppy, a vet is a great and needed thing. To blasphemy someone you have no firsthand knowledge with is not productive. What if one of you had contacted me and spoke with me and offered to assist me if you think I am messed up. No, it is easier to speak negatively and judge. At least if that was being done in court I would have had the opportunity to defend myself and be judged by a jury of peers who had all of the evidence.
To be continued....

Continued Biewer and Yorkshire Haven
 

I am sometimes ashamed to call myself a breeder as I get phone calls from people seeking information and they speak of how rudely they were treated, and yes it has been about some of you as I recognize your kennels. I do not bash you, but rather make excuses for you as I do not know you or what you are about. I feel as a responsible and caring breeder that we want to educate the public and the people who are looking at buying our puppies. I also think as breeders that we need to help each other as there are a lot of public agencies that would like to take away our right to raise puppies in our homes. I am against puppy mills and places where the animals are only a source of profit. I am also against puppies and dogs being crated or in wire cages being fed cheap dog food and not getting routine vet care. I am……even though a lot of you would not agree a lot like most of you. I love my animals and I would do anything for them. Am I perfect in everything I do for them. Absolutely not!!!!! Do I make mistakes…..Yes. One of my mistakes is probably wasting my time responding to your vindictive comments.
Bottom line…..I would rather sell a puppy inexpensively if I knew it was going to a good and loving home that sell it to one where it will not know what love is all about. As a breeder I would hope that is what we all desire.
I guarantee my puppies against genetic defects. I do require documentation that they are being cared for properly as I will not be responsible for people who do not take care of my puppies.
I also require people who buy from me to stay in contact and let me know how the pups are doing. I enjoy knowing that I have brought love to someone’s life and that my dogs are in a home where they are well loved and well spoiled.
So in closing let me say I pray that no one ever speaks as cruelly about any of you as I will continue to defend you when I get calls about your kennels. I do not personally know you and I do not have first-hand knowledge of your dogs so it is not my place to speak harshly of you. I will continue to provide information and direction to those seeking assistance and will even give Yorkie Talk as a place to gather information regarding the care of Yorkies. I will however not utilize this site for my own personal knowledge as I do not believe in the negativity that has taken place.
Sincerely,

Laura Henson
PROUD owner and breeder at Biewer and Yorkshire Haven.

The ones on her website look like they are dying of thurst.
You can tell their hot and panting just looking at them.
It's sad. Plus she has tons of puppies.
Do what you want but you sure have been warned.
Wheather anyone here has heard of this breeder or not
just looking at those pictures would make me go else where.
All the red flags are there, it's up to you now.

I see the breeder is posting. Hmmmmmmmmmmm how did she
know about this thread? Always amazes me when they come
out of the woodwork.

This breeder did not come out of the wood work. I spoke to her because I was asked to and I have an appointment with her this Saturday. I have not met her and I don't know her and I imagine neither does any one here. Looking forward to meeting Laura and visiting her place. Hope everyone has a great day!

Breeder out of the woodwork??????/
 

Interesting concept! However it is also interesting how I was contacted by someone who was not even in my area or looking for a puppy, or even involved in posting on this blog as they also did not like the vindictiveness of this blog.
PS: My dogs were hot they were playing in the front yard. Ooops a puppy mill would only keep their pups in cages. I keep forgetting that is what I am supposed to do. I always thought we wanted our pups and dogs to have fun. I have a lot of pups???????? Interesting I only have 3 for sale. The rest are pictures of pups that have been sold.

Please dont buy from these people going by the pics they might not even be healthy. Make sure before buying any puppy y do ur homework and see who and how they live. There are lots of good breeders here and trust me you are not going to find a good quality furbaby for 600.

Good luck

NO respectable/reputable Biewer breeder would sell a Biewer puppy for 600.00.

That websites dogs look like poor breeding results. The hair and the ears on some are awful.

:mad: And what reputable Yorkie or Biewer breeder would have their webpage designed with drawings of mixed dogs? RUN!

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I'm sorry...but this statement borders on rediculous. I consider my self a VERY reputable breeder, and I sold a wonderful Biewer puppy for less then that. And there was NOTHING wrong with him...just ask his mom. She's posts here on YT.

The reason he was priced "cheaper" was because I had to reduce his price at almost 18 weeks of age, just to get him a good pet home. And since he was on the larger size of the standard...not many pet homes wanted him. I could have sold him for a lot more if I would have sold him to a breeder...but I knew he was meant to be a great family pet...nothing more.

IMO...labeling a breeder by the amount they charge for a puppy is wrong!

Thank you Karen, I totally agree with you!

I know a very good breeder! I got two babies from there and I am very satisfied with them! PM if your interested, I can provide you additional information.:)

You are listed as a Parti breeder, not Biewer, from what I can see, and in the pricing with most Biewer breeders there is a difference. I have not seen or talked to a reputable Biewer breeder that sells their puppies for 600.00. And the breeders that I have spoke with have healthy puppies that are bred to standard. Those puppies on that site did NOT look well bred, period. If you choose to sell a puppy for a lower fee that is your business. But the norm is NOT 600.00 for a healthy well bred Biewer puppy, and you know this. So my statement is not ridiculous at all.

I have not seen the breeder's site in question. There was no link provided. So I do not know what her puppies looked like.

I was only addressing your statement that no reputable breeder would sell a Biewer puppy that cheap. I know for a fact...a reputable breeder will at times need to place a pet quality Biewer puppy at a much lower price. I have seen it quite a few times lately.

And it is happening more and more because of the economy. And now that the Biewer market is getting saturated with Biewers of all shapes, sizes and colors...this too will force some reputable breeders to place their pet puppies into good homes at reasonable prices.

Karen is quite right.
Reputable breeders will and do place pups at a reduce price because the main concern is the placement, not the price tag.

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