FC's Precious Yorkshire Terriers??? anyone heard of them?

[concretegurl]

You'll ve hard oressed to find any reputable breeder who (with the acception of color only from parti breeders)would advocate for any breeding other than to priduce to standard.

Every repytable breeder I know if has encountered a tiny, runt, they place them as pet only with special needs in specific homes-I've always heard breeders express the gealth &the safety concerns if tinies...let alone genuine upset at the purposeful breeding for and of them.
It is ceterinary standard opinion NO DOG OF ANY BREED UNDER 5LBS SHOULD EVER BE BRED-as in never ever.
That says a lot IMHOpinion.

Originally Posted by gracielove

Interesting thread. Am I to understand that it is wrong to be of the "opinion" that the deliberate breeding for tiny Yorkies is not acceptable on YT anymore? I see more and more posts by people who object to those "trouble makers" who "stir the pot" by posting their adverse "opinions" about such breeders.

I realize this thread is old and has been seemingly reactivated by someone but since there are some well respected breeders here I wonder what your opinion is on the subject. I am not a breeder but I am adamint in my opposition of those who risk the health and welfare of any breed by irresponsible breeding practices. Yet, the trend seems to be more and more toward turning a blind eye to this type of thing. Maybe because of the influx of pet owners who prefer the tiny pocketbook pets?

I would never come against the owner of such a dog but when people start naming such breeders is it wrong to state the facts about bad breeding practices? Is an adverse "opinion" wrong to give? Is it a responsibility to warn people of the consequences of such breeding? Or is it more acceptable just to say nothing? Is it now more PC to accept the current trend to buy from those who exploit the breed for profit?

[gemy]

I have a show Yorkie - a GCH no less. I would never allow him to be bred to a 3 or 4 lb female. I don't believe in it. Irrespective of what anyone might say - but yet guess what? I happen to be in line with the YTCA and the CYTC.

Breeding Yorkies is difficult - well so is breeding any breed of dog for the betterment of the breed!

Dont' breed for ultra small! The standard is up to 7lbs - gosh go for the standard!

I certainly will never knowingly contribute to having a female have to go to a C section to have pups successfully.

And btw I won't breed to a female that has not passed all her health tests!

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by rubyspuppies

I am also EDUCATED on yorkshire terriors, 25 years. You ladies are talking "opinion" based on "some" bad breeders, mills, dogs bred too small, mothers forced to have puppies who are too small etc....not facts of particular breeders or their dogs/pups. I was advising all that Precious Yorkies has healthy, beautiful, award winning dogs/pups. My comment was to the woman who say "oh she is breeding small yorkies...not good."....giving a bad impression of her dogs or her breeding standards and sense. There is a HUGE difference Precious Yorkies and their dogs/pups compared to what that woman thought was "not good". People who assume things are not good is OPINION withOUT the facts as was also an assumption I am not EDUCATED on yorkies like someone who may respond. Postings on facebook or yorkie forums are supposed to be non judemental because people do not have any facts.....you dont use a public board to share your own uneducated opinions about a person or a business that you know nothing about. That is slander and be careful because that is a criminal offense.

Top winning show breeders I know meaning they have many champions, any of their dogs have at least 75-80% champions in a 4 generation pedigree, won't offer stud services just anywhere, don't sell on open papers with breeding rights unless it is a show dog and the buyer is known to them and they don't consider themselves a 'business'. Nor would any of them nor would I ever breed for or breed something tiny.
I think it is important to warn those looking for puppies what to look for in a reputable breeder. I guess if you don't like that, that too is your opinion.

[msyorktown]

This is quite interesting, the only ones (breeders) that breed for tiny that I know of are in it strictly for the money! It is interesting how this thread started and where it wound up....

[TashiRIP]

Her yorkies look unnatural honestly, I work at my Aunts vet I see a fair amount of yorkies from breeders the eyes on some of them are bulgy and that much money ? Bit of my yorkies have been about 350-425 and my new girl Yumi is small but I did not buy her for that purpose...what does it matter size or shape look for small breeders in your area that will let you go to their home and pick up the puppy that's too much money

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by TashiRIP

Her yorkies look unnatural honestly, I work at my Aunts vet I see a fair amount of yorkies from breeders the eyes on some of them are bulgy and that much money ? Bit of my yorkies have been about 350-425 and my new girl Yumi is small but I did not buy her for that purpose...what does it matter size or shape look for small breeders in your area that will let you go to their home and pick up the puppy that's too much money

I agree. Yorkies have become a status symbol unfortunately. People want the smallest, most expensive (seemingly) dog. They see it as an accessory, not a live creature sadly. I've had people comment on how "huge" my Uni is at all of 5.5 lbs and how their yorkie is "micro" and a pound. It's like people want to be a size zero. If they can't, they will buy a pup that is.

Bulgy eyes = hydrocephalus. Teddy bear face aka short muzzle= teeth problems. Not something I would want to deal with.

[TashiRIP]

Yumi is small but healthy I didn't buy her for size but still she's a baby at almost 9 weeks (yes I know some people find that young to be irrisponsible but it was sort of a fill the empty place in our home because Tashi passed away and we have been very upset) but she has a good home we watch her like a hawk and because she's so young I take extra care in making sure she eats and drinks she has a fairly long face but as her adult hair grows you'd never be able to tell the difference other than her eyes don't bulge and are healthy I love her even if she isn't perfect <3 that's what we should be getting dogs for right ?

[Verbena]

Originally Posted by rubyspuppies

Prices are high for such small pups because they are rare.

This is what I have a problem about. They are not rare. She is breeding them to be small. Have you looked on the Internet. I think there is more "tiny" "teacup" yorkies then they are standard size. I personally think they should be cheaper. And this is my reasoning. The amount of extra time and money needed to take care of these little ones.

Anyone can try to reason out why they do the things they do. Please do not insult my intelligence and the people here. This is a group of breeders and yorkie lovers. We are not a bunch of newbies. That is why we are here. For the better of the breed

Have a good day

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

You'll ve hard oressed to find any reputable breeder who (with the acception of color only from parti breeders)would advocate for any breeding other than to priduce to standard.

Every repytable breeder I know if has encountered a tiny, runt, they place them as pet only with special needs in specific homes-I've always heard breeders express the gealth &the safety concerns if tinies...let alone genuine upset at the purposeful breeding for and of them.
It is ceterinary standard opinion NO DOG OF ANY BREED UNDER 5LBS SHOULD EVER BE BRED-as in never ever.
That says a lot IMHOpinion.

Here I am in the breeders section and I still see push back toward reputable breeders who do not accept the breeding of Yorkies toward the tiny size. (I have to comment that the dogs in question in this thread almost look as though there had been an out cross to a Shih Tzu considering the head shape. That is not natural for a Yorkie head type)
In the general discussion area it is almost taboo to speak against tiny breeding. People want it! The general public can only find tiny breeders when they do an internet search and I suppose they assume it is common practice in the Yorkie world. It seems YT should be the place people can go to find the truth about such practices. If anyone cared that is.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by gracielove

Here I am in the breeders section and I still see push back toward reputable breeders who do not accept the breeding of Yorkies toward the tiny size. (I have to comment that the dogs in question in this thread almost look as though there had been an out cross to a Shih Tzu considering the head shape. That is not natural for a Yorkie head type)
In the general discussion area it is almost taboo to speak against tiny breeding. People want it! The general public can only find tiny breeders when they do an internet search and I suppose they assume it is common practice in the Yorkie world. It seems YT should be the place people can go to find the truth about such practices. If anyone cared that is.

One would hope.

However marketing plays a big role, breeders that show unfortunately rarely have web sites that are as comprehensive, such is the nature of those who use breeding strictly as a business.
misinformation is rampid on the internet, teacup is a term sometimes used to describe the dog as a separate breed even-total lie.

I got my teapot from a bad breeder over the internet though.

I didn't even realize this was the breeding section tbh, I just searched new posts.

I hope more people find YT and utalize all sections for information gathering prior to adoption.

[crazydoglade]

Its very true that people are willing to pay for the tiny ones. Working with a rescue group(non-specific breeds) I would sometimes take my 2 1/4 lb babies with me. While one of the volunteers was walking them for me a woman followed her in and offered 2000 apiece. Obviously my babies are not for sale. She was quite certain that she wanted my babies when we had a 5 lb yorkie for adoption. She was willing to pay 2000 for mine yet thought 300 was too much for the adoption fee of a 5 lb yorkie, although with our screening methods it would have been very doubtful of her getting him, or for that matter any of our dogs.

[makemepretty]

On her Facebook page she had a maltese listed at 4 months old being under a lb, she said it was going to be extremely tiny, etc. Someone had posted that tinies are unhealthy. I then posted that at 4 months old, it still had a lot of growing left to do and that the right home would be needed because smaller ones require someone who knows what they're doing. She deleted my post and considered it rude!

A smaller dog does have more concerns, they are more like a baby. Plus, at 4 months it DOES still have some growing to do, 4 months is not an adult dog! She deletes comments on her Facebook page-I've seen it before- and any mention of prices too. Right now she has a puppy for $9,500+. She has puppies on "reserve" for upcoming litters but constantly lists new ones, that's pretty shady.

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by makemepretty

On her Facebook page she had a maltese listed at 4 months old being under a lb, she said it was going to be extremely tiny, etc. Someone had posted that tinies are unhealthy. I then posted that at 4 months old, it still had a lot of growing left to do and that the right home would be needed because smaller ones require someone who knows what they're doing. She deleted my post and considered it rude!

A smaller dog does have more concerns, they are more like a baby. Plus, at 4 months it DOES still have some growing to do, 4 months is not an adult dog! She deletes comments on her Facebook page-I've seen it before- and any mention of prices too. Right now she has a puppy for $9,500+. She has puppies on "reserve" for upcoming litters but constantly lists new ones, that's pretty shady.

I wonder what happens when her $9,500 puppy turns out to be 10lbs at maturity? A law suit? If someone had that kind of money to pay for a tiny Yorkie it seems that they might be steamed when the pup ended up over sized. I really doubt that people pay that price. If a potential customer sees a price tag like that and then she says that she does have one for $1000 I'm sure it is a great marketing ploy.

[crazydoglade]

I know I am relatively new to yorkies but her puppies, while cute, seem "off". Thry remind me of the Star breeder/dealer puppied here in socal.

[pauldo]

I agree -- I don't find her puppies these days cute -- those bulgy eyes make me think of puppies that came from a yorkie bred with a bulgy eyed chihuahua -- and then to ask such outrageous prices -- but I guess she knows there is some gullible person out there who thinks "wow if it's that expensive -- it must be special... I need it"..... I actually once talked to her about puppies -- the bigger ones when she started out (Captain in Control(???name)'s puppy)-- she was abrupt, I didn't find her friendly at all!