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txshopper73 09-27-2005 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose
Kimberly...no,no, no...I should have used the word "one of a group of males". these boys can be just awful, they are so macho with each other, peeing is their hobby...those can be the worst. If I could pick a stud it would be one like you have...believe me!!!
hehe! Paula, I guess has become not just a friend but a BREEDER MENTOR!!! YEAH! Anyway, yes, I have heard horror stories from her...males peeing in the dog bowls, on each other, on other bitches....just like you described. I guess I'll keep my well mannered men anyday! ;)

red98vett 09-27-2005 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
None of those quotes is me telling people not to spay/neuter their dog!! That was my point and my protest over you misquoting me.

Give people some credit please.....some think it is irresponsible not to alter if you are not going to breed, I think it is irresponsible to alter as a matter of course....people are free to decide which is right for them and their dog...after all.. it is still a free country...(despite the current administration's efforts to make it otherwise) :eek:

I see ....So you're saying all of us who choose to 'alter as a matter of course' are irresponsible.....Kim - I give you credit for posting what you believe in - no one is making fun of you - I just really wonder why things always turn this way.

Gazou 09-27-2005 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
Do you own any males or do you use only outside studs?

Are you saying it is irresponsible not to have a pet neutered, because there are some vets who feel it is irresponsible to neuter unless there is a valid reason that is in the best interests of the dog? Surgery is risky and the so-called health benefits of neutering are in no way proven to outweigh the risk of the surgery and the pain the animal must endure.

Obviously, irresponsible owners who cannot contain and control the dog should have them altered, but as long as unwanted pregnancies can be prevented and the dog is not overly aggressive, and absent some other compelling reason, it is perfectly okay to leave a dog unaltered imo.

Juat another viewpoint to consider.
Are you sure that you want an answer ? It might not be the one you want to hear .

PinkMartini 09-27-2005 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
Surgery is risky and the so-called health benefits of neutering are in no way proven to outweigh the risk of the surgery and the pain the animal must endure.
I really must dis-agree with this comment. We lost our male APBT last Feb due to testicular cancer. My fiance didn't have him neutered (for fear of him gaining weight) and he died as a result of his poor decision. Our vet point blank told us that if he had been neutered, he'd still be alive. So yes, the health benefits DO outweigh the temporary 'pain' the dog 'endures.'

SoCalyorkiLvr 09-27-2005 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PinkMartini
I really must dis-agree with this comment. We lost our male APBT last Feb due to testicular cancer. My fiance didn't have him neutered (for fear of him gaining weight) and he died as a result of his poor decision. Our vet point blank told us that if he had been neutered, he'd still be alive. So yes, the health benefits DO outweigh the temporary 'pain' the dog 'endures.'
In your BF's dog's case, of course they did and of course you cannot get testicular cancer if you have not testicles!!

So...if you follow that logic all men should have their testicles removed after they have had their children to prevent testicular cancer and all women should have hysterectomies after they re through having children.

I am sorry about the dog but the logic is missing in your argument.

Just curious...how old was the dog when he developed the cancer and what is the life expectancy of that breed?

YorkieRose 09-27-2005 04:37 PM
Kim
 
I can and will respect those who make questionnable decisions for their own welfare, but not the welfare of the innocent.

I can not tell anyone what to do, except when it comes to my puppies. You will spay/neuter or you do not get a puppy..I have that right. I do not have the right to tell anyone else they must do it..and I also do not have to respect their possibly life threathening decision for their pet..as for a female Yorkie it is just plain asking for trouble to never spay.

txshopper73 09-27-2005 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
So...if you follow that logic all men should have their testicles removed...... and all women should have hysterectomies after they re through having children.

WOOHOO! I VOTE FOR THIS ONE! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

MeganS 09-27-2005 04:53 PM
guys, there is no reason in the world why this thread has to become heated. just about every thread that starts with a newbie, or an older member saying i want to breed my dog, ends up like this, and i'm tired of it. everyone take a step back, cool, off re-read what the thread starter said, and answer her questions! i understand that breeding isn't the easiest thing in the world, or that just any "cute" dog can do it, but it doesn't have to get like this. its not a simple hobby etc. to do but answering her questions without bashing each other isn't that hard. i just don't understand anymore.......

red98vett 09-27-2005 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PinkMartini
He was 4 years old & the life exp of that breed is 10+ years... Logic is missing in my arguement? Huh? WHY are we comparing dogs & humans? Cancer is un-altered dogs is VERY common, and to not fix your dog because of the temporary pain they endure is laughable at best. Please don't come here crying when one of your dogs dies from cancer that YOU could've prevented :thumbdown
4 years old ? I'm sorry girl. I'm sure knowing he developed cancer from not neutering must have made it even harder to take.....I just wanted to say that's really sad.

feminvstr 09-27-2005 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
You might want to look at who STARTS it and keeps it going? You and a few others who know you seem to find a reason to controvert EVERYTHING I say. I could say the sky is blue and you would say ..."no it isn't and you're crazy to think so!"

Just like "chocolate is poison to dogs", albon as a preventive for coccidia is a good thing, service dogs are a good thing, not all pet stores sell puppymill dogs, etc., etc., etc.
OH MY GOD KIM! how do you always seem to bring controversy to a thread!!
The chocolate thing plain and simple if it is a minor amount a dog has consumed then there is NOTHING to fret over. If he eats a chocolate cake or a brownie well that would be a different matter, but still nothing to get excited about accidents happen, merely induce vomiting with proxide and they are fine. I did NOT tell anyone to purposely feed their dogs chocolate, although I have let them lick an most empty bowl of chocolate ice cream, or if a chocolate chip hits the ground, or if there is a skim of cake on a plate (meaning crumbs).

please get over it, give it a rest this does not belong on this thread you are way way way off topic oh voracious one!

txshopper73 09-27-2005 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MeganS
guys, there is no reason in the world why this thread has to become heated. just about every thread that starts with a newbie, or an older member saying i want to breed my dog, ends up like this, and i'm tired of it. everyone take a step back, cool, off re-read what the thread starter said, and answer her questions! i understand that breeding isn't the easiest thing in the world, or that just any "cute" dog can do it, but it doesn't have to get like this. its not a simple hobby etc. to do but answering her questions without bashing each other isn't that hard. i just don't understand anymore.......
Very well said! :thumbup:

red98vett 09-27-2005 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73
Very well said! :thumbup:
You beat me to it !! The youngest with the most wisdom. I love it - way to go Megan...you are very right :)

txshopper73 09-27-2005 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by feminvstr
OH MY GOD KIM! how do you always seem to bring controversy to a thread!!
The chocolate thing plain and simple if it is a minor amount a dog has consumed then there is NOTHING to fret over. If he eats a chocolate cake or a brownie well that would be a different matter, but still nothing to get excited about accidents happen, merely induce vomiting with proxide and they are fine. I did NOT tell anyone to purposely feed their dogs chocolate, although I have let them lick an most empty bowl of chocolate ice cream, or if a chocolate chip hits the ground, or if there is a skim of cake on a plate (meaning crumbs).

please get over it, give it a rest this does not belong on this thread you are way way way off topic oh voracious one!
Kimberly and Kim, admin has already taken a stance on this. TOTALLY drop the chocolate thing. okay!

yorkiemom1970 09-27-2005 05:06 PM
"these boys can be just awful, they are so macho with each other, peeing is their hobby...those can be the worst. "




ain't that the truth :eek: ;)

yorkiemom1970 09-27-2005 05:12 PM
ummm, havent figured out yet how to quote a portion of someone's reply and show the "qouter", so until do i will be doing the way i did previously. i'm almost scared to ask how to do it :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

let's ALL meet at my house for toddys. anyone?


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