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KimMee's Mom 08-28-2009 09:03 AM
Gosh Kara- you have just had the worst time with this whelp- I am so sorry girl and I think you need a new vet sweetie - even though now is a stressful time to look for one. hugs

Sookie 08-28-2009 09:12 AM
Hope things turn around for the better now. I'm glad you are getting good suggestions. I hope the puppies start gaining. Good luck! :)

blancla 08-28-2009 10:33 AM
Did you check with the vet about the antibotics and see if they need to be changed? Please keep in touch with us to let us know if the babies start nursing better.

Happyjack 08-28-2009 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2776871)
Kara mentioned that the vet has the momma on the antibiotic Baytril. From what I just read it says not to give that to nursing mommas. Also some of the side effects are loss of appetite and drowsiness. Could this antibiotic be causing the momma to not eat? The only antibiotic I ever use on a nursing momma is amoxicillin. Maybe she should ask the vet about getting amoxicillin instead of the Baytril.
Baytril is the heavy hitter for canines. It should be reserved for serious infections. If the dose is too high it will cause upset tummy and loss of appetite. My vet gives 5mg per 5 lbs. If it's known that there is a uterine infection he will give 10mg per 5 lbs. I've read this thread.....this vet seems to be a dummy....I would search for another vet ASAP. What he has said does not make any sense. Esclampsia is a very serious condition...the bitch could die. sorry but that's the truth. She may need to see an emergency vet ASAP. If I had a bitch in this condition I would not be on the computer asking questions....I would be getting her to a proper vet. Please do get this girl some help soon.

Mardelin 08-28-2009 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyjack (Post 2777294)
Baytril is the heavy hitter for canines. It should be reserved for serious infections. If the dose is too high it will cause upset tummy and loss of appetite. My vet gives 5mg per 5 lbs. If it's known that there is a uterine infection he will give 10mg per 5 lbs. I've read this thread.....this vet seems to be a dummy....I would search for another vet ASAP. What he has said does not make any sense. Esclampsia is a very serious condition...the bitch could die. sorry but that's the truth. She may need to see an emergency vet ASAP. If I had a bitch in this condition I would not be on the computer asking questions....I would be getting her to a proper vet. Please do get this girl some help soon.
Baytril is a heavy hitter. Pups are usually taken off nursing completely. I know I had one of my girls go down with her last litter when the pups were a week old. She had a serious infection due to a ripped horn. The dosage was extremely high, but were fighting a horrible infection. She never lost her appitite, thank goodness and was on the Baytril for a month and never lethargic, never had an upset tummy.

Amoxicillin will do nothing, if there is an infection.

MindieRose 08-28-2009 02:30 PM
Any antibiotic can cause stomach upset, nausea, upset stomach, etc. I thought he didn't put her on anything though...just something for anemia?
Anyway, it is very apparent that if the vet just said that he/she couldn't figure out what was wrong with her and just said to watch her and didn't advise anything on the pups or anything...you just need a new vet, hands down. Vets are everywhere and its not hard to find a new one. I cannot imagine a vet saying that a temp of 105 is ok and just send a dog home, especially a dog that has just whelped unless it was a pretty crappy vet. You are at high risk of losing mom and the pups in this situation. If the mom really has an infection and is on Baytril, mom could be ok,but the pups? I would get a second opinion ASAP...I wouldn't wait till Monday, or even tomorrow.

karak333 08-28-2009 04:28 PM
well, the thing with my vet is they have a lot of different vetrinarians. it just depends on what day you go to the vet and you will get a different vet. I called the vet to ask them about the baytril and if they give me the same answer then I will call another vet. I did pick up some calcium so I am giving her that. I also got some goats milk so hopefully that will help as well. she is definitely more concerned about her babies so I am thinking she is feeling a little better. she is also drinking plenty of water. I picked up some dog food that someone recommended and she is eating it little by little. I really appreciate everyone's advice
thanks
Kara

Mardelin 08-28-2009 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by karak333 (Post 2777510)
well, the thing with my vet is they have a lot of different vetrinarians. it just depends on what day you go to the vet and you will get a different vet. I called the vet to ask them about the baytril and if they give me the same answer then I will call another vet. I did pick up some calcium so I am giving her that. I also got some goats milk so hopefully that will help as well. she is definitely more concerned about her babies so I am thinking she is feeling a little better. she is also drinking plenty of water. I picked up some dog food that someone recommended and she is eating it little by little. I really appreciate everyone's advice
thanks
Kara
If by some chance you put on Baytril, she'll have to quit nursing.....Clovimox she can still nurse.

So, you are going to a Clinic type Hospital. Try and find a one or two practice vet. Develop a relationship....so, that if you ever have another litter, you have their cell phone # or home # should you need them on off hours.

karak333 08-28-2009 04:45 PM
yea I just talked with a different vet at the same clinic and he said that he does not recommend having her on the baytril and that I should put her on clavomox. so, I am taking her in soon to get a check up and to get that medicine. I will never be seeing the vet that prescribed me the baytril again. I do have a couple of vets that I really like and am starting to trust more so I think if I ever go there again, I am only going to see them. It is so upsetting, the vet did not even tell me that there are some risks with the puppies are even mention that I should hand feed them with baytril.

Sookie 08-28-2009 05:41 PM
That's a shame, because hand feeding them is going to be a royal pain in the behind. You won't get much sleep either. It would be so much better if the mother could nurse them.

I personally don't know what risks to the babies are associated with the baytril. Can someone let me know, please!

bjh 08-28-2009 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sookie (Post 2777590)
That's a shame, because hand feeding them is going to be a royal pain in the behind. You won't get much sleep either. It would be so much better if the mother could nurse them.

I personally don't know what risks to the babies are associated with the baytril. Can someone let me know, please!
This i what it says about the side effects of Baytril:

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Baytril Side Effects in Dogs

Side effects when using Baytril are rare, but some animals do have an allergic reaction. It is recommended to have your dog thoroughly checked for allergies to quinolones or sulfonamides before administering Baytril.

Some non-allergenic side effects that may occur are:

* Ear irritation
* Acute inflammation of the ear canal
* Loss of appetite
* Vomiting
* Diarrhea
* Dizziness
* Lethargy

These side effects are likely not dangerous, but should be mentioned to your veterinarian. In the event of an allergic reaction, your dog may display other side effects, such as:

* Hearing loss
* Hives
* Difficulty breathing
* Swelling of the lips, tongue, or throat

If these occur it is important to stop giving your dog Baytril and to call your veterinarian immediately.
Other Considerations When Using Baytril

Baytril is not recommended for puppies under eight months of age due to the possibility of cartilage damage. It should also not be used on dogs that are nursing or pregnant, as there are no tests to establish the safety or efficacy of this drug on this group. Additionally, it has been recorded that Baytril may react with other drugs or prescriptions, particularly antacids or sucralfates, thus it is important to mention to your veterinarian any other prescriptions your dog may currently be taking. Using Baytril along with cyclosporine may result in kidney damage. Baytril should also not be given in conjunction with other vitamins or minerals.

Baytril is a highly effective prescription antibiotic that can be used both safely and efficiently to treat ear infections in dogs.
I think the vet put her on this because he suspected a uterus infection, probably from a retained placenta. Another thing that worries me is that it says not to give in conjunction with vitamins or minerals and the vet also gave Kara Hi-Vite vitamin drops to give to the momma.:confused: I don't think this vet is very competent. I pray momma and babies will be okay.

manina 08-28-2009 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ImCKN (Post 2776467)
Oh I am so sorry you are having such difficulties. I am feed Lexi the welping pudding whenever she wants it, whenever she starts to pant right in her nursing position with her new eight puppies. All the puppies except one has gained weight since their birth yesterday morning, so that one and another are going to get alone time with Lexi in the morning. I am praying for all of you.
OMG !!!!! 8 did you say 8 , may god that poor girl, Wow !!!
Congrats to all !! please post pictures asap would pay to see that !!!! lol !
God bless !!
take care
bark@ulater!!!!!
manina,miley:aimeeyork,max:aimeeyork

karak333 08-28-2009 08:38 PM
Cinnamon seems to be doing better. her discharge also is lessening and the puppies are gaining weight again :D. hopefully things will progressively get better. now my only obstacle is getting her to eat good.

karak333 08-28-2009 08:40 PM
oh and I am also going to complain to the corporate headquarters about the vet that gave these things to Cinnamon and I will never use her again.

Mardelin 08-28-2009 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2777725)
This i what it says about the side effects of Baytril:



I think the vet put her on this because he suspected a uterus infection, probably from a retained placenta. Another thing that worries me is that it says not to give in conjunction with vitamins or minerals and the vet also gave Kara Hi-Vite vitamin drops to give to the momma.:confused: I don't think this vet is very competent. I pray momma and babies will be okay.
I don't understand why the vet suspected retained placenta, wasn't a POP shot given at the vets office to assist her in whelping these puppies. I thought the pups were delivered at the vets office......mmmmmmm

Baytril has the same affect on nursing puppies as penicillin....fading puppy syndrome.


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