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Lady of Yorkies 08-11-2009 09:20 PM
Parti question
 
My males throw babies with white on their chests, sometimes huge blazes of white. Sometimes the white goes away, sometimes the white blends in and sometimes you can see it no matter what. Sometimes we get white on the toes, sometimes the white goes away, sometimes it doesn't but the actual skin and toenails are not white. Does this mean my male carries the Parti gene? Thanks, Sylvia

mypreciouspups 08-11-2009 09:37 PM
I do not believe this means parti... I have had this happen to me also.. so I was unaware at one time also... I know many breeders this happens to.. it goes away.. if it stays.. not sure but as far as I know.. not parti... anne

RoxieHart 08-11-2009 09:42 PM
I have heard that yorkies with white patches are carriers of the gene, but I am not 100% sure of this.

Sugar's Mom 08-12-2009 03:23 AM
it absolutely does not mean they are parti carriers altho they could be. Almost every pup I have ever had has had some white patches on chest or toes. I know mine aren't parti carriers.

BamaFan121s 08-12-2009 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2752177)
it absolutely does not mean they are parti carriers altho they could be. Almost every pup I have ever had has had some white patches on chest or toes. I know mine aren't parti carriers.
:yeahthat:
It's not at all uncommon for pups to have white on their chests or toes when the are born, but it does NOT mean that they are parti carriers. Thorough knowledge of the lines you are breeding would be the best way to determine if the dogs are carriers. (All of which should be done/known BEFORE breeding anyway.:cool:)

Lady of Yorkies 08-12-2009 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2752353)
:yeahthat:
It's not at all uncommon for pups to have white on their chests or toes when the are born, but it does NOT mean that they are parti carriers. Thorough knowledge of the lines you are breeding would be the best way to determine if the dogs are carriers. (All of which should be done/known BEFORE breeding anyway.:cool:)
Well, the lady I bought my male from never said anything about a parti gene but she knew that his father threw puppies with white blazes. She used to be an AKC judge so I assume she knew what she was doing. I just got to wondering because of so many Biewers and Parti's showing up. I never thought anything about him carrying a parti gene until recently so I thought it was worth asking. Thanks, Sylvia

JeanieK 08-12-2009 04:32 PM
It could be a carrier but probably not. There are parti carriers that as adults have absolutely no white on them at all. That is why there are champion dogs out there that have thrown parti puppies when bred back to their daughters. No one knew.

Lady of Yorkies 08-12-2009 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2753178)
It could be a carrier but probably not. There are parti carriers that as adults have absolutely no white on them at all. That is why there are champion dogs out there that have thrown parti puppies when bred back to their daughters. No one knew.
I have bred him back to his daughter, and granddaughter and not gotten more white than what I was getting before. I guess that means he is not a parti carrier. Sylvia

Sugar's Mom 08-13-2009 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies (Post 2753406)
I have bred him back to his daughter, and granddaughter and not gotten more white than what I was getting before. I guess that means he is not a parti carrier. Sylvia
WHY did you breed him back to his daughter? That is inbreeding and should not be done!My goodness no wonder you are getting strange puppies.

Robin Lodal 08-13-2009 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies (Post 2753406)
I have bred him back to his daughter, and granddaughter and not gotten more white than what I was getting before. I guess that means he is not a parti carrier. Sylvia
Eeek... I may not be an expert breeder but even I know this is a "no no".

I don't understand why someone would inbreed?

BamaFan121s 08-13-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2753743)
WHY did you breed him back to his daughter? That is inbreeding and should not be done!My goodness no wonder you are getting strange puppies.
Sadly, very true! I have to ask, what was the purpose in breeding him back to his daughter? What results were you trying to achieve that couldn't have been done any other way? It is very likely that is the key factor to why you are seeing so many unexpected traits.
Again...thorough knowledge of the process and genetics is really a crucial part of breeding responsibly.

Lady of Yorkies 08-17-2009 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2754671)
Sadly, very true! I have to ask, what was the purpose in breeding him back to his daughter? What results were you trying to achieve that couldn't have been done any other way? It is very likely that is the key factor to why you are seeing so many unexpected traits.
Again...thorough knowledge of the process and genetics is really a crucial part of breeding responsibly.
I was trying to find out if the white on their chests would be bigger or if the puppies would have more white in other places. It didn't seem to make any difference. It all looked about the same as puppies by mothers unrelated to the male. Infact, I had a puppy bred from a different line who had such a huge white blaze on her chest that if I had a black and white dog around here, I would have thought he somehow got to my female. The lady who bought the puppy has not stayed in contact and so I don't know what the puppy looks like now. Sylvia

Bianca 08-17-2009 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies (Post 2760150)
I was trying to find out if the white on their chests would be bigger or if the puppies would have more white in other places. It didn't seem to make any difference. It all looked about the same as puppies by mothers unrelated to the male. Infact, I had a puppy bred from a different line who had such a huge white blaze on her chest that if I had a black and white dog around here, I would have thought he somehow got to my female. The lady who bought the puppy has not stayed in contact and so I don't know what the puppy looks like now. Sylvia
:eek::eek: :confused:

magsy17 08-17-2009 06:50 PM
So you just bred him to his daughter to see if the white was larger?:eek::thumbdown Inbreeding leads to a lot of defects in dogs it makes no sense to do it just to satisfy your curiosity.

tammys 08-18-2009 09:18 AM
I am not a breeder, so noe one in my family knows much about breeding. I just mentioned this situation to my 14 yo daughter, and she said, "That's inbreeding!"

Point is - even a kid knows this is wrong.

I have been one to complain about rudeness, but I don't know how else to word this. I realize one can be curious about things, but that doesn't mean one should follow through, at the risk of little lives.


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