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Parti question My males throw babies with white on their chests, sometimes huge blazes of white. Sometimes the white goes away, sometimes the white blends in and sometimes you can see it no matter what. Sometimes we get white on the toes, sometimes the white goes away, sometimes it doesn't but the actual skin and toenails are not white. Does this mean my male carries the Parti gene? Thanks, Sylvia |
I do not believe this means parti... I have had this happen to me also.. so I was unaware at one time also... I know many breeders this happens to.. it goes away.. if it stays.. not sure but as far as I know.. not parti... anne |
I have heard that yorkies with white patches are carriers of the gene, but I am not 100% sure of this. |
it absolutely does not mean they are parti carriers altho they could be. Almost every pup I have ever had has had some white patches on chest or toes. I know mine aren't parti carriers. |
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It's not at all uncommon for pups to have white on their chests or toes when the are born, but it does NOT mean that they are parti carriers. Thorough knowledge of the lines you are breeding would be the best way to determine if the dogs are carriers. (All of which should be done/known BEFORE breeding anyway.:cool:) |
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It could be a carrier but probably not. There are parti carriers that as adults have absolutely no white on them at all. That is why there are champion dogs out there that have thrown parti puppies when bred back to their daughters. No one knew. |
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I don't understand why someone would inbreed? |
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Again...thorough knowledge of the process and genetics is really a crucial part of breeding responsibly. |
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So you just bred him to his daughter to see if the white was larger?:eek::thumbdown Inbreeding leads to a lot of defects in dogs it makes no sense to do it just to satisfy your curiosity. |
I am not a breeder, so noe one in my family knows much about breeding. I just mentioned this situation to my 14 yo daughter, and she said, "That's inbreeding!" Point is - even a kid knows this is wrong. I have been one to complain about rudeness, but I don't know how else to word this. I realize one can be curious about things, but that doesn't mean one should follow through, at the risk of little lives. |
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To see if breeding my male back to his daughter would produce more white in the babies was my purpose. It didn't work. BTW, all the babies were perfectly normal from that litter. Sylvia |
You discover new things by working with experienced breeders and researching canine genetics, not by inbreeding just to see what would happen. There are many members here that are quite well versed in canine genetics that could have easily answered your question and pointed you in the direction of great resources to help you out. Better option, more knowledge than trying to do guesswork based on how a litter of pups turned out, and no need to experiment unnecessarily. (Other options for expanding your knowledge and understanding would be attending seminars, often offered by guest speakers at various events, or speaking with canine reproductive specialist, which wouldn't even have to be done face to face.) |
Inbreeding problems show up down the road in future generations...not the one just bred for the most part. You might want to purchase Malcolm B Willis's book "Genetics of the Dog" instead of just guessing. What you were searching for is written in this book. Most inbreeding causes severe health issues if breeders are not careful and again this usually shows up down the road. Also what happens with inbreeding is the litters get smaller and smaller until the bitch cannot have puppies. This is why it is so very important with a new breed/variation to be careful of inbreeding as eventually their will be no more litters. |
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I hope that litter was fixed before you let them go. |
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I do not make a practice of breeding parent to child but I know there are a lot of breeders who do inbreed and linebreed. BTW, you do not breed mothers to sons, only fathers to daughters and never brother to sister. I have not looked up why because as I stated above, I do not make a practice of it, I have only done it once. I am too afraid of having deformed or mentally deficient puppies to experiment further. Thanks to you experienced breeders for genetic advice, I will be getting some of those books as I can afford them. I will no longer be responding to this thread. Sylvia |
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