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danyellm 07-21-2009 03:17 PM
I was not asking how much for my stud but just out of curiosity wondering how others decided what to charge.
I would consider that a personal matter and would pm respected breeders for their opinions.

julietimothy 07-21-2009 03:26 PM
I am sorry I hope you did not take what I was saying wrong. I was just trying to point out what all you would have to look at in the stud, that every one would be different. Sorry if I upset you. I was just giving my input.

Mardelin 07-21-2009 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by julietimothy (Post 2721099)
Not for sure what you mean by that but>>>>> She is ask about studing out her male right?? which is not a Champion, he may come from Champion lines but so does mine. His mom was from Lake Buean Vista and his dad had Big Champions all though his pedigree over 35 Champion on just his dad's pedigree, which I think is a great pedigree. But even with Ace's great pedigree I would and could not charge the same fee as a Champion him self. So when setting a fee for stud you have to look at the stud in question, is it a Champion or not. What kind of pedigree the stud has? The look of the stud and so on. There can not be a set price for a stud fee because you have show dogs and not show dogs. You have some that could be show dogs but is not being shown. So the question is what do you think she should charge for her stud to be studed out??
That is what she is asking right, studing her stud out??
What I meant is that stud fees as well as what you pay for a puppy, varies from region to region

You are right, her stud is not a Champion, even though he is from a Champion background. Since that is the case, she should charge her fee according to her geographical location.

Here's another thought, and a rule that some very reputable breeders use, if the stud has not been proven, the possibility of not charging a stud fee should be considered.

As far as what I think she should charge, I think she should determine that herself.

julietimothy 07-21-2009 03:45 PM
thank you for clearing that up for me. And you are right again. Many things come into pay with that fee.

Mardelin 07-21-2009 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by julietimothy (Post 2721099)
Not for sure what you mean by that but>>>>> She is ask about studing out her male right?? which is not a Champion, he may come from Champion lines but so does mine. His mom was from Lake Buean Vista and his dad had Big Champions all though his pedigree over 35 Champion on just his dad's pedigree, which I think is a great pedigree. But even with Ace's great pedigree I would and could not charge the same fee as a Champion him self. So when setting a fee for stud you have to look at the stud in question, is it a Champion or not. What kind of pedigree the stud has? The look of the stud and so on. There can not be a set price for a stud fee because you have show dogs and not show dogs. You have some that could be show dogs but is not being shown. So the question is what do you think she should charge for her stud to be studed out??
That is what she is asking right, studing her stud out??
Did some googling around alot of info on stud fees and ethical breeding practices:

Here's something I found:

The rule of thumb on stud service prices is the fee is the equivalent of the price of a puppy. This may vary based on the record of the dog's previous production results, the showing record, and your desire to have him used for the first time. The cost of the shipping of the bitch should not alter the stud fee. That is merely one of the expenses of being a breeder.

bjh 07-22-2009 07:23 AM
When you stud out your male there are always risks that your male could sire a liver shunt puppy or a puppy with other genetic defects. Does the stud owner take any responsibility for this? Is anything ever put in the stud contract to cover these issues? How do other breeders handle this?

Mardelin 07-22-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2721844)
When you stud out your male there are always risks that your male could sire a liver shunt puppy or a puppy with other genetic defects. Does the stud owner take any responsibility for this? Is anything ever put in the stud contract to cover these issues? How do other breeders handle this?
As a stud owner, bile acids should have been performed on your stud. As well as the female. However, it does not prove that you stud is not a carrier (no DNA marker as yet). If both have tested to be without LS, how can it be proven which was the producer? Unfortunately, when breeding it's all in how the genetics shake up. The other sad thing is if anything goes wrong the stud is always the blame.

bjh 07-22-2009 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2721862)
As a stud owner, bile acids should have been performed on your stud. As well as the female. However, it does not prove that you stud is not a carrier (no DNA marker as yet). If both have tested to be without LS, how can it be proven which was the producer? Unfortunately, when breeding it's all in how the genetics shake up. The other sad thing is if anything goes wrong the stud is always the blame.
I agree, both parents can be perfectly healthy and a liver shunt puppy could pop up out of nowhere. I just wanted to make a point that when you stud your dog out you are putting your dogs reputation at risk.

Mardelin 07-22-2009 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2721886)
I agree, both parents can be perfectly healthy and a liver shunt puppy could pop up out of nowhere. I just wanted to make a point that when you stud your dog out you are putting your dogs reputation at risk.
Yes, his and the bitch's reputation are at risk. However, should this happen, it's your reputation that is at risk also. So, bile acid the pups.....there is other things that can crop up that are just as life threatening.

Producing a LS puppy is devistating, but it's how you as a breeder handle these situations.

Brooklynn 07-22-2009 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2721893)
Yes, his and the bitch's reputation are at risk. However, should this happen, it's your reputation that is at risk also. So, bile acid the pups.....there is other things that can crop up that are just as life threatening.

Producing a LS puppy is devistating, but it's how you as a breeder handle these situations.
^5!! You are exactly right Mary!!

Donna

Mardelin 07-22-2009 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2721957)
^5!! You are exactly right Mary!!

Donna
I wish more breeders would quit attempting to sweep these situations under the table. Should a situation arise, both the sire and dam should not ever be risked at being bred again Until a DNA Marker is found, you're never sure if one or the other is a carrier, the way the genes shook up.

kjcmsw 07-23-2009 07:33 AM
possible future breeder
 
Mardelin:
You seem very knowledge about breeding yorkies. I have a 7 mo/5 lb yorkie. She is my first yorkie and I have fallen in love with her. I was thinking about letting her have one litter at some point in the future but I have concerns regarding breeding, as I only want her to be safe and healthy. I have been told not to breed yorkies if they are 5 lbs or under. Per the weight charts she has been pretty much on track that she'll be six pounds when fully grown. What is your advice regarding safe weight/size for the potential mother to be? Thanks

Mardelin 07-23-2009 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 2722998)
Mardelin:
You seem very knowledge about breeding yorkies. I have a 7 mo/5 lb yorkie. She is my first yorkie and I have fallen in love with her. I was thinking about letting her have one litter at some point in the future but I have concerns regarding breeding, as I only want her to be safe and healthy. I have been told not to breed yorkies if they are 5 lbs or under. Per the weight charts she has been pretty much on track that she'll be six pounds when fully grown. What is your advice regarding safe weight/size for the potential mother to be? Thanks
The information you've provided does not lend to me the option of giving you an intelligent answer. I would be remiss if I gave you advice based on size and weight of your girl.

So, if you can expand on your info, I'll do my best.

kjcmsw 07-23-2009 08:12 AM
what other information do you need? Her parents were both 5 lbs. She seems to be in excellent health... What does one need to know exactly about their dog to make sure the dog and her puppies are healthy before allowing them to breed? Thank you.

Mardelin 07-23-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 2723036)
what other information do you need? Her parents were both 5 lbs. She seems to be in excellent health... What does one need to know exactly about their dog to make sure the dog and her puppies are healthy before allowing them to breed? Thank you.
Are both she and the stud line bred. Do they meet the standard

Does she come from a line of free whelpers

Have all the necessary tests been performed on her and the stud. Bile Acids, hips and knees x-rayed, eyes and ears tested.

Are you willing to lose her and the litter? Why do you want to breed her?

Have you studied everything you can about breeding, genetics, whelping?

The yorkie is not a breed you can breed pheno type to pheno type and know what you're going to get.


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