Anne, if you do have the papers then you should give let us know the name of the sire, dam and breeder. That is the only way to get this resolved.

This thread is very upsetting to me. It seems a regular trend for show breeders to be attacked and discredited. Any breeder, whether a show breeder or pet breeder has to right to put anything they want in their contract. If someone does not like the contract then discuss it with the breeder or don't buy the dog.

I have had people make false accusations against me too and I know how upsetting it can be.

P.S. I know a DEBBY Nuttall. I am DEBBIE Hiebert. Debby Nuttall has been out of Yorkies for over 5 years since her husband passed away suddenly. If you bought a dog from her (as you are mixing up our names) - then you have an issue with HER.

When my 5 year old yorkie was killed by a vet I was going to buy a yorkie from debbie nuttal... but you wanted to sell me sara.. so Debbie did helped you sell her by knowing me.. and you Debbie Hiebert met us at the pet store on our way to Flroida and said.. look at her teeth what great teeth she has.. in fact when I sent you an email in Florida telling you that yes her teeth certainly were great as she was continually attacking my two yorkies.. one a year old and one a very old girl.. you did not like that in the least..then when sara got parvo and I sent an email to you.. you did not like that neither.. and called me an idiot.. and said you do not even get it.. I still have not figured out what I was suppose to get..
So no.. I met Debbie Nuttal many many years ago.. Long before you knew her.. and I would know who Sara came from.. but it was Debbie Nuttal that was taken Sara when I had to ship her back to Canada.. and although you had been nasty to me.. I fulfilled my part and asked Debbie Nuttal to take her in for her spay at the vet as I had used him also..and when she was spayed.. my husband picked her up and went back to Petawawa..

anne

I think you stated this here.
And where does it help your cause to call people Pathetic ,Wannabes and Idiots.
If no one hasn't told you it's against the rules.

You are very confusing. I do not know you? I met you at a PET STORE? This is just all so weird. I am still in contact with Debby. I will ask her if she knows of you.

You seem to definitely be confused.

So, if I get this right...you bought a dog and transported it from Canada to Florida and then at some point your dog got Parvo and you blamed the breeder? How's that???

She certainly does know me.. and yes I lived in Petawawa Ontario with the military.. and you were in Quebec. We were leaving to go to Florida and you met us in Cornwal Ontario at the pet store and you signed over Sara Lee to me.. If it makes you feel better to say you do not remember or you do not know me.. that is fine.. for I am a believer in Karma.. what goes around does eventually come around..

And if you think for one minute that Debby Nuttal would say anything against you.. your wrong.. for I know her well.. and she will not step on your toes.. she knows better...

In fact my husband and I also knew Harold very well and you kept her dam and a litter of puppies for her while she was with Harold at the hospital with his cancer..my sister went with her for the drive to take those puppies to you to care for them.. I was unavailable at the time..

Anne

This is what bothers me and it is not very professional. I don't think Topknot or Lorainne would ever handle it this way.

I don't know who is right or wrong but I must say that when I purchase a dog that is AKC I want papers even though I am not going to breed. To me it is proof that two akc dogs were parents and the dam has not been bred to death.

I admire many show breeders but there are problems sometimes and I don't know what to say about this mess.

I remember that. I will be contacting Debby and read her what you've said here..I'm sure she'll want to know. Additionally, are you saying that the contract you have is in MY name? If it is, then you are in defiance of 2 clauses. You did not provide me with proof of sterilization...and, you say you have given the dog to your daughter. You are now in defiance of the non-transfer clause. You have written this in an open forum!

Now, was that puppy bred by someone else and I helped her sell it? Then you need to take it up with THAT person.

As for Parvo...if your puppy caught that, that is NOT the breeders fault...especially if the puppy had been vaccinated.

And, please, refresh my memory...where is there a pet store in Cornwall?

Please get out your papers and tell me the name of the sire and dam and name of the dog?

It is the ultimate proof and I will be happy to admit that I have forgotten you if it is me!

I understand a breeder not wanting to give papers until proof of spaying or neutering. The fact of the matter is that the only sure way is to have the pups altered before selling them but I have a problems with that because I don't think it is not in the best interest, health wise, to have a puppy altered at a young age.

If someone buys a pup and they don't have the AKC papers but have the AKC numbers of the sire and dam then they can still register that pup with a different kennel club. Unfortunately there are dishonest people that would do just that.

I agree that the name calling needs to stop.

I find the posts by squirrel yorkies very offensive, no matter the truth behind the story. I know Anne, not personally but from here at YorkieTalk, and I would never think of her as fabricating a story. Squirrel Yorkies, you may have some fine dogs but you leave a lot to be desired as a person, judging from your posts and I, for one, would never consider having any dealings with you. When acquiring a pup, one begins a relationship with the breeder. Relationships such as this I could do without. Just my .02.

I am sorry if I offended anyone, but when I am slandered without basis, then I get my back up to the wall.

All my puppy buyers get papers once they have fulfilled the terms they have agreed to. It is amazing how many unethical people are out there.

Ever wonder where the non-show people get their dogs from? Show people will not sell without a non-breeding agreement. So, if this is true, then they are either getting their dogs from other non-show people, pet stores or are breeding dogs whom they are contractually (not to mention ethically) not suppose to be breeding.

I have an amazing relationship with my puppy buyers. I have always and will always be there for them...more so for the dog...I answer emails, phone calls...I help with grooming tips, training tips, etc.

When someone says that a 6-month old puppy that was too small to be used for breeding is attacking 2 other dogs, it should make everyone's red flags go up...It makes ZERO sense.

Anyway, think I'll leave you guys to yourselves. This is not a venue I am comfortable in...the breeding of dogs just for the sake of making a buck has never and will never be what I do this for...as it is, I live a less than possible lifestyle just to have and enjoy my dogs...I have yet to come out of the red in this hobby.

3 years ago I flew to Paris, France to rescue one of my dogs...I'm sure you'll all agree just how unethical and uncaring a breeder I am!!

i agree with you and the name calling is beyond believe from someone who is 'supposedly' held in such high regard. Where oh where is admin and why has this person not been banned. anne i also know from here and Squirrel? well just suffice it to say I have heard of her for years. her posts on here just proves that what I have heard was right. Nuff said.

Like I've just said, I apologize for offending anyone.

However, my name is being slandered and falsehoods being told.

Since you do not know me as a person, you really have nothing to base that one on!

And, since I have wonderful relationships with all my puppy buyers, I will take from those experiences and not this one!

Barb, I understand waiting to give papers until there was proof of spay/neuter but someone said "Why would you want them if you are not going to breed" Rescue will spay/neuter very early because in some cases, it may never be done otherwise and I agree with breeders who do not want to s/n before 6 months but they should get the papers then.