Please Help...Breeding questions from Newbie
 

Hi. I have a serious question. My brother has two young yorkies, (Right at a yr old each)the female was in heat and my brother thought his male was too young to 'know how" to "get" the female... Well, you guessed it. He says they got tied up no less than 50 times over the course of 3-4 days....Is Sissy going to be ok!?!? I have her now as he is out of town and I am so worried. I Assume she is pregnant, I will take her to the vet in the Very near future. I just need to know some eneral info please... Is it normal for them to mate That much?? please don't judge harshly, this is truly Not my brothers intention, just innocent ignorance.

Thank you for your time!!

Just out of curiosity? How did he let them do it up to 50 times? If he "thinks" he doesn't know how to do, why was he counting all the ties?

How many pounds do both of them way? I know you must be worried out of your mind right now. You can always have her spayed to abort the puppies. Talk to your vet tomorrow. Goodluck.

Ahhh How nice and Rude of you!!
 

WE didn't count!! I am sure it was a guesstimate. I did not ask to be chastised or spoken down to. Thank you for that.
He is a loving amazing man who travels for work often and was just caught off guard. He tried to keep them seperated however, the male was just howling and such. No, there was no other place he could have taken one of them to seperate... I am not going to explain myself to you any longer... I had hoped for some compassion and understanding for this new Unexpected incident....Must be amazing to sit up so high....
Thank you for nothing Addicted.... I am sure you never ever make mistakes.
May God bless you.
Sissy will be well taken care of and the Lord will help guide us I am sure.

I'm not sure what your wanting to know exactly. Are you asking if it is normal to tie that many times? They will tie as many times as allowed and/or until the bitch turns him away. You can bet she is pregnant. When did this all happen? How much does each dog weigh?

Your brother needs to know that it is irresponsible and potentially dangerous to let them breed. If he tends to continue with the pregnancy I suggest he starts studying up on what he needs to do to prepare his girl. A lot can happen & a lot can go wrong. He needs to be responsible with the pregnancy and whelping now.

Omg, I'm sorry I really didn't mean to offend you, I was just curious. How many pounds are both of them? She would be fine, but at her age she's still developing. There are some young mothers that have no problem with the whole delivery, but it really depends on the dog. Some young mothers are not ready to be a mother and will deny the pups or vice versa. It would be best for you to talk to the vet. If you do not want to spay her, I would suggest for you to get whelping supplies ready. In about 28 days from first tie, you can take her in for palpation. Please try to find a mentor around you. Goodluck.

thank you for honest help
 

they male weighs 4 lbs and Sissy is right at 6 lbs. I have the female now and have been reading all I can get my hands on! The male has already been nuetered and Sissy will be After these pups. (I do not believe in abortion.)
She is in bed with me now and will be with me 24/7.
My brother feels terrible for his baby girl and quite bad all on his own. I was just Shocked and told him I would take over from here.....
This happened around 6/18-6/21.

With her weight, shouldn't be so bad, but she might still be developing. I honestly don't believe in abortion either, but sometimes it is for the best. I'm glad that you're taking over from here on out. She should be around the 2 weeks mark. Is she eating fine? Is she fed good quality food? If not, it would be best to switch her to that and at around 4 weeks slowly introduce high quality puppy kibble. Please keep us updated. There are a lot of excellent breeders on here that is willing to help you. I will pray for her to have a safe and sound delivery. If you have any other questions, go ahead and ask.

Well thankfully the boy was the one that was bigger! I am sure she will be just fine. Read everything you can get your hands on so that when the day comes you won't be a nervous wreck...well, you will be anyway but you will be a more knowledgeable nervous wreck. :D Feel free to Pm me throughout her pregnancy.

THANK YOU BOTH! I am feeding her purina one puppy formula...
Is that good or should I switch to something else??

Purina one? Yuck, no. Please, try to see if you can get your hands on food such as Canidae, Wellness, Solid gold, Chicken soup for the dog lover's soul, Natural Balance, and etc. You can find these mainly in small pet stores.

Here's a site that rates dog food, please check it out.

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Sounds like her breeding took place the same week I bred my female so we may be having pups about the same time (sometime in the week of Aug 17). I'd guess your girl, being 6 lbs will be just fine. You are doing great reading all you can get your hands on. That is what I did my first time 2 years ago and will do a refresher course again now. Still not SURE she's PG, but we will go with the thought that she is. I highly recommend that you visit this website Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders. It has great information and even a pregnancy timeline chart to print out and follow so you know what to expect. I hope you stay around here also. There are many knowledgeable breeders that will be willing to help you through this.

After what I just went thru as an experienced breeder, this is one of those times it is better for me not to say anything except, I hope your brothers girl is alright..

Totally agree with you Dee.....Let's pray this lil girl is fine. And hope the lil boy is ok after the free breeding.

I noticed you asked a few questions and there were a few very important points that were not brought up that may prove to be useful knowledge, just as future reference.

You asked if it was "OK" that the dogs tied so many times the answer is NO! It is very dangerous for dogs to be allowed to free breed and more specifically to tie without close, hands on human supervision. This female (and male) could have suffered injuries as a result--time will tell, hopefully all will be OK. It would not be unheard of for the female to deliver prematurely and lose the litter--semi-common when a bitch has been overbred. Just something to be aware of "in case" so you are not caught off guard.

For the record, no one here has claimed to be perfect and no one has talked down to you. The situation is the result of your brother's actions, not yours. You are trying to make sure that the best interests of the girl are being met. No one is placing blame on you, please don't think that. You are understandably frustrated with the situation, but please try not to lash out at those trying to help you. Sorry to say, your brother is likely a very noble, stand up guy--but regardless to what excuses can be offered in his defense, as a pet owner, he has acted very irresponsibly :thumbdown and his dogs, the female in particular are paying the price.

Couldn't have said it better, but didn't. Just a bit angry to say anything.

I might want to add, in reference to the lil girl a bit too young to breed. Not mentally mature, still a puppy herself and not ready to be a mother, might result in her not readily accepting her pups.

me too, Mary. This is the second thread this morning that has made me just too angry to say much. Some days it just doesn't pay to open the breeders forum.:mad:

I know Dee, especially coming off a difficult situation, it really upsets me that people don't understand the ramifications that may happen. We hold the lives of these lil ones in our hands. How do you tell someone about the heartache, the unknown, the fear when something goes wrong. If I had to make a choice I'd rather lose a litter than my girl. And let alone that the damage that may have been done to a lil stud.

That's exactly what I told my vet when I rushed my girl back for her section. I said, "at all costs, save my girl". had I lost that girl, I would have completely sold out every dog I have and stopped. I am still thinking about it.

My thoughts originally but, to spay and nueter everything and just be a pet owner. Or to do what some exhibitors do, turn to handling only, since showing is what I love doing, I hate the breeding part. Just do it when I'm looking for my next Champion to add to my breeding program. Or just buy a good dog finish to Championship and spay/nueter and place.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Thanks.

Perfectly said.

I just hope she is ok and everything turns out good... thanks for taking care of the situation and loving this little girl... best wishes and keep us updated...

An Important lesson Learned!!
 

Lets think about this shall we Ladies and be mature about it.. A few of you have said just "how mad" you are about my situation... LOL
I am a Good Christian woman who runs a Ministry. The owner of this puppy is an amazing Christain man who also works for a ministry. People out here in the real world own yorkies... Does not make anyone a BYB or a Puppy mill case. You all talk about how because you are "breeders" you are somehow "better" equipped to Breed... How? Why? you all own Multiple Females TO BREED>>> Period. Call a spade a spade. No offense intended, but the whole getting 'angry' thing is silly.. I own (1) ONE yorkie and he is spoiled and loved and my constant companion... My brother Owns (2) TWO yorkies and they are likewise loved as much as children. Things Happen Ladies, it does NOT make us irresponsible and dumb. We are put on this earth to show Compasion and Love to one another. I have seen MANNNNY of all of your posts on here, You all speak of the Lord and Praying... yet somehow, when not talking about your Own BREEDING BUSINESSES, you are spiteful and take on an attitude. I am an intelligent woman, You all have a BUSINESS of breeding these precious babies, Some people think that in its self is Wrong, I do not, I do however, think that perhaps instead of acting as if what you all are doing is sooo much Better because you have an LLC name or Corp. makes you the end all be all of Good Yorkie Owners. It does not. I do not wish to be hateful in this message, I Do however, wish to say, remember Ladies, one day Long ago, you too had NO Knowledge of Pregnant Yorkies and you Too needed advice. Your ingnorance Then DID NOT make you a bad or irresponsible person. Show some compasion, think about your days of Not being a Breeder and your Love for this breed... Thats who I AM.. I love my baby and I and my brother did not set out to upset someone or bring up memories of your recent personal struggles with your Whelps... Not Fair, Not Kind and Not what I believe this Forum was intended for... Perhaps I am wrong.. I do know however, I will no longer come to this forum to expect help and knowledge unless I dare somehow think, I can Step up to you all as an Equal Breeder who pretends that I am so much better than the BYB you all Claim to be against.... You still Sale your puppies... Breed On Purpose to make money...Why is that not bad? how are you not BYB breeders? Only you have your own answers, but that is my Point here.. There are Real, Good, Decent people out here that have yorkies that are loved as MUCH as you love yours. Just because we make mistakes does not make us someone to be responsible for your anger and feelings of "just too upset to even respond correctly" or whatever. I believe if Christ had such a little window of how He looked at things and how He forgives us... Welll, He doesn't. Luckily i don't have to go there. I am grateful! Thank those of you who remember being human, real and scared. thank you for the love shown by some... I speak Blessings over ALL of you on YT.... All HIS Creatures Big and small Loved Equally... Food for Thought I hope. Jennifer

No one is angry at you or your brother but, the situation. You say we had to start somewhere. Yes, we did but, a great number of us did not embark on this journey without taking all the necessary steps to ensure that these little creatures are safe and that we are breeding two healthy dogs (not that you aren't) to improve the breed. Most of us studied long and hard, genetics, learning pedigrees, breeding and whelping. Some of us were mentored months if not years prior to breeding. We have all the required testing performed on the two dogs that we plan to breed. These tests costs a lot of money. Along with the tests, the cost that is incurred when raising a litter is not cheap. That and the proper care of the mother prior to whelping and after whelping. Heaven forbid that emergency care doesn't come into play with the mother and pups.....that can run up in the thousands, money that can't be recovered with a sale of a litter.

You say we breed on purpose to make money, your brother will soon find out that this is a falicy, that is unless you are breeding litter after litter in the space of a year. And yes there are those type of breeders that breed and live off the backs of their dogs.

I'm not making any apologies for my passion in yorkies. But, since you brought Christianity into this conversation. The Lord made us stewards of these wonderful animals and breeding should be done responsibly. We hold their lives in our hands.

A mistake, 1 breeding yes, but allowing them to be together and to breed freely over 50 times over 3 days, that is not a mistake, maybe an error in judgement, but not a mistake. I think that we'd be remiss if we didn't point the errors made in this situation.

I hope al turns out well for your brother's girl

I know... me too...

i couldn't have said it better myself, Mary. i wish breeding could be a business but alas, any profit I "might" have made from my new litter just went down the drain at the vets this week. There is no excuse for someone so irresponsible that they let a dog breed "maybe fifty times". i make no apologies for my anger either. religion plays no part in this and I am very leery of someone using religion the way this poster has tried to use it. perhaps this poster should read my thread "Warning to Breeders" then perhaps, just maybe, she will see where some of my anger comes from.

Wow... girls..I see a thread like this one week.. and it goes like this..:eek: another time a person gets all the help they need..and more compassion then I can ever describe.. oh my how do we pick and choose..

Right or wrong when breeders care for this breed.. why not come here and help..If that were any of you getting such replies.. it would scare the pants off of you.. so why do it to a woman that clearly is trying to look after a yorkie that was bred not by her.. but she is caring enough to try to make sure this yorkie is taken care of.. and with help and advice she might just suceed..
Although I cannot imagine her coming back..
No one said anything directly that was so bad or wrong.. but you posted to make her afraid..but afraid at the wrong time.. the dog is already pregnant..


Dee tell them what happened to your momma and how bad it was for your yorkie and yourself.. tell her in a way you want to be told so you can appreciate it and learn from it.. know what to watch for.. know what not to do.. Teach a person like this..

As for ladymom, thank you for not showing anger to a woman or a girl who did not ask for what she is doing right now..

As for her brother saying all the times this dog was bred.. did anyone actually ask her if this was a guy thing being smart saying ya they must have bred like 50 times..was she saying that comment to us also in her frustration at the moment..

I do not want anyone to get upset.. but how do we choose who we help and who we hurt when they are new members asking for help..

We are not all perfect humans beings on this forum.. although we all like to think we are.. none are.. we learn we make mistakes.. and sometimes life has been rough on us..

anne

thanks Anne... well said.

Anne,

I've been on this board for about 3 years, and have always attempted to teach in a compassionate way. But, week in and week out it wears, I guess I should have walked away and not said anything. However, this afternoon this lady went on the attack in the name of Christianity, that really upset me. You don't walk the walk and just talk the talk, I don't buy it.

Thank you preciouspups. You are correct... I have no idea how many times they Really tied... I was scared...Period. What an awesome response you have made. Thank you for seeing my True intent. Dee... I did Not "use religion" I did however, Speak of the lord and prayer.
Seeing your past posts... you asked for it Often. Prayer is for Everyone, no "Religion" needed. Mardelin, well said. You are correct, I respect the time and knowledge it took to breed and do it correctly. IF I had that opportunity I too, would do my research. That was not the case this time. Again, I came, seeking... Some spoke with out judgement... Some, Not so much... I knew full well how to read into the negatives.
I am done with YT... I feel burned hurt and Wrongfully embarrassed. Thanks Again for listening and I do believe some may very well think before they speak next time and hopefully with the compassion Precious spoke of.