Warning to breeders

[tammys]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Mary, I have neer bred like that either. ALL my girls were in heat at the same time and I bred these two. I haven't had puppies for over a year. yes, it is rough. I have been up several days and nights already and now have a few more sleepless nights to look forward to. i am going to have to supplement to keep her from going down again. I am on the way to the vet to pick her up now. C-section, five babies. As to how I handle it, yes there are times you want to go nuts even with my other little dogs. i only have six dogs and it is a 24/7 job caring for them. But they are my babies. i am retired so my life almost revolves around them after family of course.

Wow, I can't wait to hear the details. I hope everyone's okay.

[luckylady]

Oh my goodness Dee............what a time you and your girls have had! I am so sorry about the loss of the singleton out of your champion girl; did I understand correctly in reading......

Just too tiny. 1.something

....the pup was just 1...something ounces??? Regardless though, I know you must be so disappointed and I send big hugs to you.
And then to top that off along comes the trouble with eclampsia and the c-section with your other girl. I AM glad to hear that she came out of it okay and did deliver 5 babies. Congratulations on their arrival. I will say some prayers that they all thrive and that mom continues to improve for you.......and also prayers for you to get through it all without wearing yourself down to much.

[chattiesmom]

Dee, I am so very sorry to hear of the loss of the pup. It is so heartbreaking to lose newborn.

I know what it's like to have two litters back to back. Chizzie had her six pups and a week later Chattie had her three. It was during the time I was recovering from the 4-wheeler accident.

I can tell you that you are in for one heck of a ride. I wish you well with both of the whelpings-- do you know how many to expect from each mom? You will have more laughter and joy from a passle of pups it's just getting them safely delivered and past the first few days that is such a worry.

Will be closely following your progress.

[manina]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Thanks everyone. We are home from the vet. he gave me another calcuim shot to bring home and a bottle of PetCal tabs. She was scared at the vet and we thought she would be beter athome. Still cannot stand on her legs but other sympthoms are gone. He said the babies seemed fine and there should be no reason she can't free whelp. But this has sure got me to rethinking. I have alwways given a little calcuim in foood beofre whelp and had only recently stopped after reading research that said not to. Ruth from Ms. Chif Yorkies has been on the phone with me several times already and she saidd we ALL need to rethink this new research. As for me, I am going back to what works for me and yes, Mary we will be looking at a few things after we have the babies. Thanks everyone. Oh BTw, Bama, althou the tums is not the best in a situation like this, it saved my girls life until I could get to the vet.. Again, thanks everyone. I appreciate your prayers and concern.

I stared to read this and got so upset , I'm soooo very happy every thing is ok , and she is home.
Will keep u both in our prayer , I'm so happy member's jump in to help so fast. I'm happy I join YT, I have learn so much in the short time I been here. But thank u all , I feel I have found angels on this site. Everyone wants to help each other and a lot of u have been so very helpful to share, God Blessing!!!
Bark@ulater
manina, Miley , max

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by luckylady

Oh my goodness Dee............what a time you and your girls have had! I am so sorry about the loss of the singleton out of your champion girl; did I understand correctly in reading..........the pup was just 1...something ounces??? Regardless though, I know you must be so disappointed and I send big hugs to you.
And then to top that off along comes the trouble with eclampsia and the c-section with your other girl. I AM glad to hear that she came out of it okay and did deliver 5 babies. Congratulations on their arrival. I will say some prayers that they all thrive and that mom continues to improve for you.......and also prayers for you to get through it all without wearing yourself down to much.

Rose, thanks for the prayers. we are a long way from being out of the woods. I have to supplement every hour tonight and I am sure I am losing one little girl. mama is still not right either. if i didn't have the computer, I really would go nuts. good thing this is the only litter I will have this year.

[paulalowe6]

Oh I am so sorry that things are not going well Dee. I don't know you personally but I have read many of your posts and you have posted on my threads and helped me before with questions I had. Just want ya to know that prayers are headed your way

[yorkiegirl2]

Dee,
I hate to hear all about all the problems.
Sound like it's going to be a long nite for you.
I hope all does well with your girl and the pups.

[manolos mom]

Sending you lots of Prayers Dee.

[tjdmom]

Oh Dee! It sure sounds like you have your hands full right now! I work full time at an outside job but I have a feeling I work alot less right now than you are - and you say you're retired?! Well, I guess they keep you busy and they do add a lot of joy, don't they?! Can't wait to hear how your five new babies are doing! Hope all is well and momma makes a full recovery!

[spr377]

Praying that mama and pups are doing well, and that you are able to get some much needed rest!

[bjh]

Dee, congratulations on the new litter. I am sorry things are not going so smoothly. I pray the momma and the babies will be fine. I know you will do all you can for them.

[tammys]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Rose, thanks for the prayers. we are a long way from being out of the woods. I have to supplement every hour tonight and I am sure I am losing one little girl. mama is still not right either. if i didn't have the computer, I really would go nuts. good thing this is the only litter I will have this year.

Oh, this just breaks my heart. You have already been through so much. Please know lots of people are praying for you and your little ones.

[abbey46923]

Dee, i am sorry you are having such a rough time of it right now. I will be praying that your babies get through this and sorry for the lose of your singelton. I hope mama get better also....Lynne

[karensu68]

just now seeing this post Dee..Hope your momma and babies are doing well-sorry to hear about the singleton not making it. We'll be keeping you in our thoughts and prayers-Mazee sends her love!

[fannie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

This is what I posted. My girls are fed cottage cheese with their morning meal prior to breeding. But, never a calcium supplement plus an hour a day in the sunshine natural vitamin D.

Okay to hold it at bay, so it never comes at all… forget everything about giving tums, cottage cheese, cheese, icecream.. etc. It’s useless. The body needs the calcium to be delivered with the correct ratio of Vit D and Phosphorus or it doesn’t absorb it, it’s useless. Pet Cal has this correct ratio. Another thing that has it is, believe it or not.. a scrambled whole egg! Of course everyone knows not to start calcium until the litter is whelped.. no giving it to PG bitches… I do give some calsorb during whelping If things slow down on a larger litter, but never before whelping. Make it a general practice to scramble your bitch an egg every day, and depending on weight, give ½ to a whole pet tab per day. I gave it to a 8 lb bitch ½ in the morning ½ at night…this is the “daily dose” for about a 20 lb dog who was NOT nursing a litter…so just fine for ½ the size, but nursing a litter. I would grind up the pet tab in the food processor and put the powder in the egg when I scrambled it.

Also, check your dog food for Soybeans, soy protein, or anything related to soy in any way. For SOME reason that is not completely understood by me (many menopause supplements contain soy, or are soy based, so this seems to be a contradiction).. soy protein can interfere with the absorption of calcium in dogs. If your food has soy of any sort, change to a food that does not for the duration of the weaning of the litter.

Ok, I am just trying to make sure that I didn't have it messed up. I think that too many people think that feeding them food with calcium in it is the same thing as a calcium supplement. So when we say, don't supplement with calcium prior to whelping, they think it means don't give ANYTHING with calcium in it. And yes, I completely agree about it needing to be in a proper ratio of vitamin D. I'm going to have to go look at the nutritional value of an egg. I don't know why I never thought of that one. Thanks for the tip!