Warning to breeders

[LuvmyYorkies2]

Glad she is back home and doing better. Praying she continues to recover and have a easy whelp!

[smartpuppiepets]

thanks for posting this...
Always a plus to read a good post !!! and the ones that follow it !!!

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by bjh

I agree that there is no one set way of doing things that works for all. Dee, what this the pregnant momma that had not been eating well? I really feel that diet plus the number of pups the mom is carrying has a lot to do with if the momma gets eclampsia or not. I have had to deal with it several times over the years but every since I have kept Cal-sorb on hand I have not had to take a female to the vet for eclampsia. I think pre-eclampsia is a lot more rare but it can happen and everyone should be aware of it. I advise everyone to always have Cal-sorb on hand. Also, breeders with pregnant and nursing mommas, make sure they are eating well and if they are not I feel you should supplement them with Nutri-cal and do whatever it takes to make sure they get a balanced diet. I know it is not always easy to do. Eclampsia can occur at any time with the nursing momma, even when they have puppies 6 weeks or older. It is so important to make sure the momma is getting plenty of quality food.



Dee, I hope your momma has a safe delivery. I know you have been doing all you can for her. Sometimes, no matter how hard we try to do the right thing, things just don't go right. Unfortunately, there are always exceptions to the rules.

No Barbara, that was one of my champions. She had a singleton day before yesterday and I worked on it an hour and still lost it. Just too tiny. 1.something. mama is fine. This girl eats like a pig. She is in labor now. I will keep you posted. We may have to run back to the vet. he leaves at five and I am taking no chances.

[mypreciouspups]

Dee I am just seeing this... I was glad to read you girl is doing ok..
I also want to thank all the breeders that posted such great information.. it is appreciated... anne

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No Barbara, that was one of my champions. She had a singleton day before yesterday and I worked on it an hour and still lost it. Just too tiny. 1.something. mama is fine. This girl eats like a pig. She is in labor now. I will keep you posted. We may have to run back to the vet. he leaves at five and I am taking no chances.

Dee, I am so sorry you lost the singleton. I know you were looking forward to getting a pup out of your champion. I am glad the momma is doing fine. It is so odd that your female would get pre-eclampsia if she is eating so well. What type of dog food are you feeding?

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No Barbara, that was one of my champions. She had a singleton day before yesterday and I worked on it an hour and still lost it. Just too tiny. 1.something. mama is fine. This girl eats like a pig. She is in labor now. I will keep you posted. We may have to run back to the vet. he leaves at five and I am taking no chances.

Dee, I will be praying all goes well with Sadie's whelp!!!!!

[bjh]

Oh my, I missed the part that she was in labor. I pray everything goes well.

[fannie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Gotcha. When my girl went down, my husband (he does the feeding) thought because he was doing the cottage cheese, cheese, etc. That he was administering calcium artificially, hence inhibiting her natural calcium producing. He contacted our vet in Texas and he assured him that wasn't the case. It was revealed after additional research and conformation with a reproductive specialists I found here. That cottage cheese and tums, ice cream did not stop this process and what I posted previously was the best method to use. So, I continue the cottage cheese, cheese, etc along with Solid Gold Concept A Bitch.

As has been said before "This Breed Can Bring Us To Our Knees"

Mardelin, I thought you said before to not use cottage cheese, etc. prior to whelp?

I also thought that calcium received through food was absorbed and used by their body different than artificial means of calcium (supplements).

Prior to whelp, I always give my girls 1/3 C. of fat free cottage cheese each day during their last week of gestation. After they deliver, I bump it up to 1/2 C. a day. I prefer to use fat free cottage cheese so it doesn't make the puppies too fat before delivery.

Dee, I hope that your girl is able to whelp without any additional problems.

[ARCHIE]

Dee, I'm sorry you lost the singleton. Did you post that? If so, I am
sorry also I missed it.
I am so happy your girl is back to herself and now she's in labor.
Not even a day to recoup for either of you. There goes your nap!
Good luck with the welping. Prayer's for Mommy and babies and
all to be fine. Hope things go fast for her.

Your breeder's are a very special breed yourself's.
Have no idea how you do it.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by fannie

Mardelin, I thought you said before to not use cottage cheese, etc. prior to whelp?

I also thought that calcium received through food was absorbed and used by their body different than artificial means of calcium (supplements).

Prior to whelp, I always give my girls 1/3 C. of fat free cottage cheese each day during their last week of gestation. After they deliver, I bump it up to 1/2 C. a day. I prefer to use fat free cottage cheese so it doesn't make the puppies too fat before delivery.

Dee, I hope that your girl is able to whelp without any additional problems.

This is what I posted. My girls are fed cottage cheese with their morning meal prior to breeding. But, never a calcium supplement plus an hour a day in the sunshine natural vitamin D.

Okay to hold it at bay, so it never comes at all… forget everything about giving tums, cottage cheese, cheese, icecream.. etc. It’s useless. The body needs the calcium to be delivered with the correct ratio of Vit D and Phosphorus or it doesn’t absorb it, it’s useless. Pet Cal has this correct ratio. Another thing that has it is, believe it or not.. a scrambled whole egg! Of course everyone knows not to start calcium until the litter is whelped.. no giving it to PG bitches… I do give some calsorb during whelping If things slow down on a larger litter, but never before whelping. Make it a general practice to scramble your bitch an egg every day, and depending on weight, give ½ to a whole pet tab per day. I gave it to a 8 lb bitch ½ in the morning ½ at night…this is the “daily dose” for about a 20 lb dog who was NOT nursing a litter…so just fine for ½ the size, but nursing a litter. I would grind up the pet tab in the food processor and put the powder in the egg when I scrambled it.

Also, check your dog food for Soybeans, soy protein, or anything related to soy in any way. For SOME reason that is not completely understood by me (many menopause supplements contain soy, or are soy based, so this seems to be a contradiction).. soy protein can interfere with the absorption of calcium in dogs. If your food has soy of any sort, change to a food that does not for the duration of the weaning of the litter.

[Mardelin]

http://www.revivalanimal.com/store/p...-Cal-Plus.aspx
new product from revival, same as calsorb with out the nasty taste, does not make them vomit.


If you must give calsorb, put it on your finger, and rub in bitches mouth, gums, inside of mouth, underneath tongue, then follow with nutrical, don’t just squirt a blob in their mouth. Even if they throw up, it HAS absorbed (not 100%.. but a lot) because the bloodstream picks it up immediately through the mouth..it does not have to be digested to work. Give calsorb or Oral Cal Plus if bitch is exhibiting signs of eclampsia. Some signs are very subtle. My bitch would dig like crazy when I took her outside, then try to climb up the side of the wall of the house…that was her first sign she was going south for me.. and we’d treat with calsorb immediately. Anything “odd” should be taken as a sign…especially, panting, pacing, restless behavior etc… understanding of course that bitches pant after delivery anyways for a few days.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No Barbara, that was one of my champions. She had a singleton day before yesterday and I worked on it an hour and still lost it. Just too tiny. 1.something. mama is fine. This girl eats like a pig. She is in labor now. I will keep you posted. We may have to run back to the vet. he leaves at five and I am taking no chances.

Ok! I may have to call on you for help. I've never bred two bitches that will deliver within a couple of days. But, the situation was unusual. One, that will be five and her last litter. And another that will be turning 3 and it will be her first......So, how do you handle it? Do you just go nuts. Let alone the whelping, but the raising of 2 litters. I always space mine to 1 or 2 litters a year, maybe even skipping a year.

[chachi]

Dee I am glad your girl is home and doing better and I hope the whelping goes smoothly

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Ok! I may have to call on you for help. I've never bred two bitches that will deliver within a couple of days. But, the situation was unusual. One, that will be five and her last litter. And another that will be turning 3 and it will be her first......So, how do you handle it? Do you just go nuts. Let alone the whelping, but the raising of 2 litters. I always space mine to 1 or 2 litters a year, maybe even skipping a year.

Mary, I have neer bred like that either. ALL my girls were in heat at the same time and I bred these two. I haven't had puppies for over a year. yes, it is rough. I have been up several days and nights already and now have a few more sleepless nights to look forward to. i am going to have to supplement to keep her from going down again. I am on the way to the vet to pick her up now. C-section, five babies. As to how I handle it, yes there are times you want to go nuts even with my other little dogs. i only have six dogs and it is a 24/7 job caring for them. But they are my babies. i am retired so my life almost revolves around them after family of course.

[paulalowe6]

Oh my goodness! Hope everyone is ok? Post if you can when you get back. Good luck Dee5 new babies