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candybaby 06-08-2009 03:47 PM
Orphan puppy
 
I have a little puppy my precious girl left behind, here's the original thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...abor-last.html

I have a few questions:

1.) when will the little guy be able to go potty by himself without me having to wipe him?

2.) What should I wipe his bum, bum with? I was using an old warm wet rag but it was a little rough on him so I switched to using warm wet cotton balls, does any have any other unique idea's?

3.) Sometimes when he eats a little bit of milk or water comes out his nose not alot just a tiny bit. Is this normal or is the hole in his nipple to big. It just seemed to start happening yesterday, but I have noticed he is sucking harder and longer now so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I did go out and buy him a new bottle today, the one I have is about 2 years old (I never used it before but had it laying around for my rabbits, I breed/show Lionhead rabbits).

I think thats all the questions I have for now.

Thanks for all replies in advance

candybaby 06-09-2009 08:30 AM
Anyone?

Sugar's Mom 06-09-2009 08:34 AM
I think you will have to wipe his bum to stimulate him until he starts eating real food then watch him to see if he is able to poop on his own. i would use a warm wet cotton ball. I think he is getting too much from the nipple . he has just started doing this so I don't think he would have a cleft palate. have you checked for that. is he still gaining as well as beofre?

LazyDaisy 06-09-2009 09:51 AM
I'm so sorry for your loss...I can't imagine how sad this must be for you. I've heard of using the warm cotton ball technique. When I bottle fed my Gus this would happen sometimes as well. I changed the nipple to one with a smaller hole to slow the flow down. I wish you the best of luck with this little guy, bless his heart!:animal36

011011 06-09-2009 10:36 AM
I agree with Dee sounds like he is getting too much and it comes out his nose they can aspirate with just a little so when he starts going to town sucking pull it away and make him wait a a second then start again.

Make sure you burp him after a feeding you would be suprised how loud they can burp.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2659847)
I have a little puppy my precious girl left behind, here's the original thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...abor-last.html

I have a few questions:

1.) when will the little guy be able to go potty by himself without me having to wipe him?

2.) What should I wipe his bum, bum with? I was using an old warm wet rag but it was a little rough on him so I switched to using warm wet cotton balls, does any have any other unique idea's?

3.) Sometimes when he eats a little bit of milk or water comes out his nose not alot just a tiny bit. Is this normal or is the hole in his nipple to big. It just seemed to start happening yesterday, but I have noticed he is sucking harder and longer now so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I did go out and buy him a new bottle today, the one I have is about 2 years old (I never used it before but had it laying around for my rabbits, I breed/show Lionhead rabbits).

I think thats all the questions I have for now.

Thanks for all replies in advance

What I use for those lil newborns is a 3 cc syringe, fill with your milk, attach a premie nipple to the end. You can better control the intake of milk, monitor how much the pup is taking and there is less gas this way. Don't forget to burp the pup. He'll tell you when he's had enough. Water isn't necessary at this point, especially if your feeding goats milk (which is 95% closests to mother's milk) diluted 50/50 with distilled water. At about 3 1/2 weeks the pup will start lapping on it's own. Since he's an orphan pup I would go online to Revivalanimal.com and order some colistrum.

As far when he'll start eliminating by hisself, about 3 or 4 weeks.

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2660936)
I think you will have to wipe his bum to stimulate him until he starts eating real food then watch him to see if he is able to poop on his own. i would use a warm wet cotton ball. I think he is getting too much from the nipple . he has just started doing this so I don't think he would have a cleft palate. have you checked for that. is he still gaining as well as beofre?
How can I check for cleft palate? He does not sit still long enough to open his mouth.. Shouldn't of the vet checked for that when she delivered him? Yes, he weighs 4.0 today..

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 011011 (Post 2661131)
I agree with Dee sounds like he is getting too much and it comes out his nose they can aspirate with just a little so when he starts going to town sucking pull it away and make him wait a a second then start again.

Make sure you burp him after a feeding you would be suprised how loud they can burp.
How do you burp him? The vet didn't tell me to do that.. I have noticed he farts alot when I wipe his bum, bum before he poo's..

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LazyDaisy (Post 2661043)
I'm so sorry for your loss...I can't imagine how sad this must be for you. I've heard of using the warm cotton ball technique. When I bottle fed my Gus this would happen sometimes as well. I changed the nipple to one with a smaller hole to slow the flow down. I wish you the best of luck with this little guy, bless his heart!:animal36
Yes, its been hard but I think we are pulling through :). I've gotten new nipples so I'll make a smaller hole.

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661155)
What I use for those lil newborns is a 3 cc syringe, fill with your milk, attach a premie nipple to the end. You can better control the intake of milk, monitor how much the pup is taking and there is less gas this way. Don't forget to burp the pup. He'll tell you when he's had enough. Water isn't necessary at this point, especially if your feeding goats milk (which is 95% closests to mother's milk) diluted 50/50 with distilled water. At about 3 1/2 weeks the pup will start lapping on it's own. Since he's an orphan pup I would go online to Revivalanimal.com and order some colistrum.

As far when he'll start eliminating by hisself, about 3 or 4 weeks.
I've been using the milk I got from the vet (Nurturall-C from vpl), he seems to be doing fine on it and gaining weight. I will go to revival now to check out the colistrum, thanks!

Mardelin 06-09-2009 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661283)
How do you burp him? The vet didn't tell me to do that.. I have noticed he farts alot when I wipe his bum, bum before he poo's..
you just pat his little back, he'll burp.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661279)
How can I check for cleft palate? He does not sit still long enough to open his mouth.. Shouldn't of the vet checked for that when she delivered him? Yes, he weighs 4.0 today..
Turn him on his back gently pry his mouth open. You can see the open palate of it is cleft. However, if I were you I'd call your vet and ask him.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661294)
I've been using the milk I got from the vet (Nurturall-C from vpl), he seems to be doing fine on it and gaining weight. I will go to revival now to check out the colistrum, thanks!
Then go with what your vet recommends.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661283)
How do you burp him? The vet didn't tell me to do that.. I have noticed he farts alot when I wipe his bum, bum before he poo's..
They do do that. Right now he's drinking milk and his poos aren't that stinky....wait until he starts eating food.

I know I had to hand raise my last litter, and I didn't realize how much mom's keept the whelping area and puppies clean. I didn't lose my mom but had to keep her away from her pups because she was on heavy antibiotics. After she recupperated I put her in with the pups and she took over the cleaning.

If he does get a bit stinky and messy, just take a baby wipe to him, until you can bathe him after his first shot.

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661309)
They do do that. Right now he's drinking milk and his poos aren't that stinky....wait until he starts eating food.

I know I had to hand raise my last litter, and I didn't realize how much mom's keept the whelping area and puppies clean. I didn't lose my mom but had to keep her away from her pups because she was on heavy antibiotics. After she recupperated I put her in with the pups and she took over the cleaning.

If he does get a bit stinky and messy, just take a baby wipe to him, until you can bathe him after his first shot.
Oh' that reminds me, I'm going to ask my vet too but thought I would as you. My vet usually reccomends the puppy gets their first shots at age 8 weeks because they still have moms antibiotics in them at 6 weeks. Since he doesn't have moms antibiotics should he get his frist shot at 6 weeks?

I'll go buy some baby wipes today too!

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661301)
Then go with what your vet recommends.
I just checked out the colostrum, how often should I give that to him? Or do I mix it in with his milk?

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661296)
you just pat his little back, he'll burp.
Okay, I will do that..

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661299)
Turn him on his back gently pry his mouth open. You can see the open palate of it is cleft. However, if I were you I'd call your vet and ask him.
Oh my goodness, he is SO strong he pulls away from me and doesn't let me open his mouth. He's such a wiggle worm.

I did manage to get it open a little and I didn't see anything up front or in the middle. What am I looking for? Is it torwards the back? I'm going into the vet today to get more milk I will ask her then.

candybaby 06-09-2009 12:38 PM
Okay I just put a hole in one of the new nipples. How do I know if its too big or too small. I put milk in the bottle and turned it upside down and no milk drips out, is that too small of a hole. When I put water in it, it drips out slowly. I know the milk is thicker, so should it drip out slowly with the milk in it?

Mardelin 06-09-2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661330)
Oh my goodness, he is SO strong he pulls away from me and doesn't let me open his mouth. He's such a wiggle worm.

I did manage to get it open a little and I didn't see anything up front or in the middle. What am I looking for? Is it torwards the back? I'm going into the vet today to get more milk I will ask her then.
You should see a gaping whole. But, if your boy is gaining, I have a feeling that all is fine. This last litter I had the boy did that too....the first couple of times being fed, vet told me it was just coming in too fast.

I didn't give my pups their first shots until 8 weeks of age. 8, 12 and 16 weeks. However, that is why I asked you to see about the colestrum, that is unless the milk you're feeding has it in it. Colestrum is what gives the puppies antibodies.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661347)
Okay I just put a hole in one of the new nipples. How do I know if its too big or too small. I put milk in the bottle and turned it upside down and no milk drips out, is that too small of a hole. When I put water in it, it drips out slowly. I know the milk is thicker, so should it drip out slowly with the milk in it?
I think you're fine. See how the pup takes the milk.

Isn't this hand raising fun? Next 3 weeks you'll be walking around like a zombie. Things will get better as he takes more and more and the feeding times begin to spread.

candybaby 06-09-2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661364)
I think you're fine. See how the pup takes the milk.

Isn't this hand raising fun? Next 3 weeks you'll be walking around like a zombie. Things will get better as he takes more and more and the feeding times begin to spread.
LOL, I think I'm past zombie mode, I don't know what mode I'm in.. The moment I fall back asleep I'm back up feeding, I tell myself, "didn't I just do this" and think the clock is wrong..

How will I know when he can go longer without eating, I'm doing every 3 hours now and sometimes when I try to feed him at his 1 a.m. feeding he pulls away he doesn't want it. Does this mean I can go to every 4 hours now?

Oh wow you did a whole litter, I think one is too much! Hats off to you..

candybaby 06-09-2009 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661362)
You should see a gaping whole. But, if your boy is gaining, I have a feeling that all is fine. This last litter I had the boy did that too....the first couple of times being fed, vet told me it was just coming in too fast.

I didn't give my pups their first shots until 8 weeks of age. 8, 12 and 16 weeks. However, that is why I asked you to see about the colestrum, that is unless the milk you're feeding has it in it. Colestrum is what gives the puppies antibodies.
I tricked him and put the nipple to his mouth and he opened up wide and I didn't see any hole, thankfully!! Do I add the Colostrum to his feedings? Or do I feed it separatly at different times? I guess I should order it and it will tell me on the container, lol..

Mardelin 06-09-2009 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661386)
LOL, I think I'm past zombie mode, I don't know what mode I'm in.. The moment I fall back asleep I'm back up feeding, I tell myself, "didn't I just do this" and think the clock is wrong..

How will I know when he can go longer without eating, I'm doing every 3 hours now and sometimes when I try to feed him at his 1 a.m. feeding he pulls away he doesn't want it. Does this mean I can go to every 4 hours now?

Oh wow you did a whole litter, I think one is too much! Hats off to you..

Yep! A whole litter, and taking care of their mother too. Without the help of my husband, who did the night feeding, he's a night owl, I don't know if I'd have made it.

Here's what my vet told me. Don't wake him up just to feed him. He'll tell you when he's hungry. Just like a baby. He'll begin to take more and more and sleep longer and longer. Before you know it, he'll be doing 6 hours and then 8......yeah! sleep time for you. Just make sure he's warm and comfortable. You don't have to diaper him everytime, about 4 to 6 hours.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661392)
I tricked him and put the nipple to his mouth and he opened up wide and I didn't see any hole, thankfully!! Do I add the Colostrum to his feedings? Or do I feed it separatly at different times? I guess I should order it and it will tell me on the container, lol..
Check your formula, see if it has the colostrum in it. Follow the instructions on the container.

candybaby 06-09-2009 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661409)
Yep! A whole litter, and taking care of their mother too. Without the help of my husband, who did the night feeding, he's a night owl, I don't know if I'd have made it.

Here's what my vet told me. Don't wake him up just to feed him. He'll tell you when he's hungry. Just like a baby. He'll begin to take more and more and sleep longer and longer. Before you know it, he'll be doing 6 hours and then 8......yeah! sleep time for you. Just make sure he's warm and comfortable. You don't have to diaper him everytime, about 4 to 6 hours.
Diaper? does that mean wipe his bottom?

Well darn, I've been waking him up every 3 hours to feed him and most of the time he still has a full belly and doesn't eat that much. He never cries at night, now I know why.... he's still satisfied :rolleyes:

My hubbys a night owl to but "claims" he doesn't know how to do it. So I told him I will show him and he plays dumb like he doesn't understand what I just did :cool:

Thanks you for all your help!!! Its greatly appreciated :):):):):):)

candybaby 06-09-2009 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2661411)
Check your formula, see if it has the colostrum in it. Follow the instructions on the container.
I just checked it doesn't have colostrum in it. I'll go order some now.. Is there anything else I should order from that site? This way shipping will be cheaper..

candybaby 06-09-2009 03:03 PM
More questions, sorry, but they're fun questions :);

When will his eye's open, I think I recall its 10 days??
And when will his ears open??

Mardelin 06-09-2009 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661589)
I just checked it doesn't have colostrum in it. I'll go order some now.. Is there anything else I should order from that site? This way shipping will be cheaper..
I usually order my ear cleaner/Vet Solutions, Tootpaste by C.E.T vanilla mint is what I use. I do my own shots so, I order those there too.

Mardelin 06-09-2009 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2661595)
More questions, sorry, but they're fun questions :);

When will his eye's open, I think I recall its 10 days??
And when will his ears open??
Ears and Eyes at the same time 10-16 days.


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