Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2649441)

I appreciate the reputable breeders on here and there opinions. I can understand why the thread got closed. If anyone on the forum did a thread about why they didnt donate it would be closed so why should it be any different if the breeder was a reputable breeder or just a pet owner? I think the mods here do a very good job and that its not easy

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2649443)

Well, that was a great post, but I've got to tell you it was strange seeing my name posted with the others. A couple of years ago, I was just like you, and was one of those sponges!

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 2649454)

I wanted to say one more thing and its just MO I think professionals of all kinds sometimes come off as arrogant and rude when giving advice. I am a retired cosmetologist and I have told people how they are hurting their hair with colors, perms and shampoos that they by in local chains and been called a snob by some saying they cannot afford to by professional products. I was like the breeders trying to give advice about what they have studied, learned, and know, was only trying to help my clients by giving them my professional advice. If we all put ourselves in one anothers shoes I think we would do less fighting.:rolleyes: JMO. Now I will shut up.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2649456)

I guess I see it a little differently because part of the ethics of breeding involves not advertising. So if they are donating to a site that allows advertising, it might conflict with their ethics.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2649437)

I think people have to understand that differing with someone's opinion is not bashing them. Saying what you feel is ethical and safe breeding, even if it is opposite of what someone else is doing, is not bashing them. So many times in threads where alternative opinions are offered, many jump to the defense and say, "don't be rude,don't jump on that person, don't degrade, etc....."

People need to be able to offer differing opinions. Why would anyone want information to stand unchallenged? Sometimes a post may not be all saccharine and sweet because the poster feels strongly about correcting a perception before too many others think the practices are appropriate.

We have to be able to debate some issues. Otherwise, what is the use of such an informative source? Threads that are closed, are usually closed, not because the experienced breeder breeched protocol, but because others jump on the bandwagon to defend the right of the controversial breeder to continue with their practices in ways that are inflammatory, insulting, or accusatory.

I continue to learn daily. I see others contemplating breeding coming to YT daily too. If some of these threads are allowed to go unchallenged, what are the new breeders to think? What are they going to learn? I want to hear from as many sources as possible. We are all mature enough to decide who we want to choose for an information resource. But if only one opinion is allowed to stand, what choices will be available?

I thank the experienced breeders that care enough about the Yorkshire Terrier, to keep coming back and offering advice, correcting misperceptions, and sometimes enduring insults to protect the future of the breed. It is a dedication to purpose that I respect and appreciate. So to Brooklyn, Mardelin, Lorraine, Nancy, and I know I am missing several others.... but thanks to all of you! Please keep doing what you do -- there are a lot of us soaking it up like a sponge!

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2649456)

I guess I see it a little differently because part of the ethics of breeding involves not advertising. So if they are donating to a site that allows advertising, it might conflict with their ethics.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 2649457)

Thanks. Your experience may not be in as many years as some (I could not tell), but I have appreciated the content of your posts just the same.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2649456)

I guess I see it a little differently because part of the ethics of breeding involves not advertising. So if they are donating to a site that allows advertising, it might conflict with their ethics.

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2649465)

If someone said that was the reason they didn't donate, I would understand. There were several reasons listed, none of them flattering, and none of them mentioned advertising ethics.

Personally, I feel that if you go to a site regularly, as a rule of thumb, you should donate. If the board really bothers you, then don't go. I'm not saying this applies to everyone 100% of the time. Different people have different financial situations, etc. But I think it's nice to try.

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2649465)

If someone said that was the reason they didn't donate, I would understand. There were several reasons listed, none of them flattering, and none of them mentioned advertising ethics.

Personally, I feel that if you go to a site regularly, as a rule of thumb, you should donate. If the board really bothers you, then don't go. I'm not saying this applies to everyone 100% of the time. Different people have different financial situations, etc. But I think it's nice to try.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2649440)

I don't plan on leaving YT as I do enjoy the showing section alot and the grooming section! Trust me I'm the same in person as I am here...I give the same opinions in person as I would here. And to be honest I can be judgemental especially when it comes to breeding unethically but I guess that is a character flaw I'll just have to live with LOL...there is another thing I always tell people, you will either like me or you won't and if you don't it doesn't hurt my feelings because we can't like everyone LOL...I do try and say things politically correct because I work with the public and well you gotta have it sometimes ;) AND I do really sit on my hands and bite my tongue A LOT LOL

Donna

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2649473)

Also, there's always the saying, Love It, Leave It, or Change It. If someone loves YT but has a very serious problem with some aspect of it, I think it would be worth it to suggest changes. This is just off the top of my head, but couldn't people lobby to only make puppy sales allowable from YTCA members? Or perhaps that wouldn't work if advertising is not allowed.

Given that there have been some very ugly threads involving disputes over yorkies sold here, I would see that as a legitimate possibility.

I have to admit I'm really curious about what these super controversial topics are... any chance you'd PM me? :D