Parti confussion????? - Page 19 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

JeanieK · 01-31-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Yeah, it would make me sooooooooooooooo happy that all of the cute little parti/biewers couldnt hear. That wasnt very nice.

I'm sure if it gets to that point we will change our breeding practices. I believe that is why many breeders say to keep breeding the carriers back into the program.

I don't wish ill will on any ones breeding program or their dogs. That would be a very sad thing. Like the bulldogs and other short nosed dogs that have breatjhing issues. That is very sad.

JeanieK · 01-31-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

While the Biewer has breed clubs, the Parti has none, so who would be gathering the data if there was a connection?

We have a club and we share our information. he Biewer has been around longer than the partis. There are more Biewer breeders. No one has reported a problem with the Biewers. And they have been breeding Biewer to Biewer for a long time, although some do still use splitters.

When I first joined YT I heard all of these same things being said about the Biewer breedeers.

Woogie Man · 01-31-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Not all dogs who are white or parti colored, have hearing problems. There are many breeds with those colors who don't have higher than normal deafness rates in their breed. Deafness is often seen in breeds when there is increased amounts of white colour in the coat and blue eyes . We have not seen problems with the Parti's and they've been breeding now for over 10 years (not that that is a long period of time but you'd suspect we'd be seeing some problems during that length of time?)

In my reading one of the exceptions mentioned is the Samoyed. I also found some reference to the white German Shepherd not being truly white but rather is considered a very light buff color (looks white to me, tho). In general, what I've read seems to indicate that it's the white hair, along with a loss of skin pigmentation, that is an indicator of potential problems. I also read there is a group of Dachshund breeders trying to establish their own standard that would include piebalds but they aren't getting any support from the breed club due to the health concerns. It does seem like, across the board, piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risks. From my understanding, deafness doesn't show up until later in the life of the pups but the health concerns aren't limited to deafness.

Nancy1999 · 01-31-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

We have a club and we share our information. he Biewer has been around longer than the partis. There are more Biewer breeders. No one has reported a problem with the Biewers. And they have been breeding Biewer to Biewer for a long time, although some do still use splitters.

When I first joined YT I heard all of these same things being said about the Biewer breedeers.

Would you mind telling us how many members are in your club, and how many dogs have been produced, and do all breeders keep in contact with the families over the years? Only the extreme whites are born deaf, with others it takes more time.

scrapindee · 01-31-2009, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=bchgirl;2447741]The following are where biewers are shown as a breed of their own....NAKC, IABCA, and ARBA. So no, it is not necessary to register with any of the registeries you've listed above. QUOTE]

Biewers can be registered with ARBA, in Germany, with local Biewer registeries, with NAKC, and IABCA.

bchgirl · 01-31-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

The following are where biewers are shown as a breed of their own....NAKC, IABCA, and ARBA. So no, it is not necessary to register with any of the registeries you've listed above. QUOTE]

Biewers can be registered with ARBA, in Germany, with local Biewer registeries, with NAKC, and IABCA.

Yes, I understand...I was trying to explain it to others here, but I may have been confusing.

bchgirl · 01-31-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

Well the ones I listed were just a few of the over 100 out there.

What breed are they registered as, and which breeds were used to create them?

Again they are registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terrrier a la pom pon. OR one club uses the name Biewer Terrier. Those are the names they are registered and shown under.

I have no clue what other than yorkshire terriers were included in the make up of the breed.

JeanieK · 01-31-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Would you mind telling us how many members are in your club, and how many dogs have been produced, and do all breeders keep in contact with the families over the years? Only the extreme whites are born deaf, with others it takes more time.

Our club is very new, and there aren't as many serious parti yorkie breeders out there yet. most of us have just recently aquired our partis and hfave yet to even have our first parti pups.

This will take time.

JeanieK · 01-31-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bchgirl

Again they are registered as Biewer Yorkshire Terrrier a la pom pon. OR one club uses the name Biewer Terrier. Those are the names they are registered and shown under.

I have no clue what other than yorkshire terriers were included in the make up of the breed.

Thank You.

I assume that you are not among those that are trying to establish the Biewers as a breed separate from the Biewer yorkshire Terriers.

The Biewer Terriers are the ones that I am asking about.

There seems to be a reluctance to answer those questions about the Biewer Terrer.

Pinehaven · 01-31-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Woogie Man

It does seem like, across the board, piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risks.

You are kidding, right ... do you know how many breeds there are that are spotted? I don't think that "piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risk" ... if that were the case, we'd have 30-50% fewer breeds than we do now.

my2boyz · 01-31-2009, 03:30 PM

So far my piebald dogs have been healthier than any of the standard Yorkies that I have owned and all of my Yorkies came from 'reputable' breeders.

TammyJM · 01-31-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinehaven

You are kidding, right ... do you know how many breeds there are that are spotted? I don't think that "piebald dogs are not recommended to breed due to the risk" ... if that were the case, we'd have 30-50% fewer breeds than we do now.

Sue, this is exactly what I was thinking.

I believe it was Nancy that said that it is the "extreme white" that are born with problems (I assume she is talking about deafness)...well, I would venture to say that Maltese, Bichons, Westies are all "extreme white". I wonder if breeders of these dogs realize that their dogs are doomed to deafness.

Nancy1999 · 01-31-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM

Sue, this is exactly what I was thinking.

I believe it was Nancy that said that it is the "extreme white" that are born with problems (I assume she is talking about deafness)...well, I would venture to say that Maltese, Bichons, Westies are all "extreme white". I wonder if breeders of these dogs realize that their dogs are doomed to deafness.

Sorry I should have said that the extreme whites are more likely to be born deaf; with others it takes time to develop the deafness. I have to say it bothers me that some of you are so defensive about this, and don't even seem open to discovering the truth. It does seem like some of you, just want to make a few jokes, and roll your eyes at how stupid this is.

Breezeaway · 01-31-2009, 04:04 PM

It is the Merling gene that causes deafness and blindness in dogs. I bred australian shepherds, Breeding 2 dogs with the merle gene produces pups that are blind or deaf if they are born with a solid white head. The merle gene is not the same as the piebald gene. They dont have to be extreme white, Just an all white head to be deaf or blind.

Nancy1999 · 01-31-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Breezeaway

It is the Merling gene that causes deafness and blindness in dogs. I bred australian shepherds, Breeding 2 dogs with the merle gene produces pups that are blind or deaf if they are born with a solid white head. The merle gene is not the same as the piebald gene.

Here's one link that discusses the piebald gene, and deafness. DEAF PUPPIES

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scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	[QUOTE=bchgirl;2447741]The following are where biewers are shown as a breed of their own....NAKC, IABCA, and ARBA. So no, it is not necessary to register with any of the registeries you've listed above. QUOTE] Biewers can be registered with ARBA, in Germany, with local Biewer registeries, with NAKC, and IABCA. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

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Breezeaway No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wildcat Country(KY) Posts: 2,114 Blog Entries: 26	It is the Merling gene that causes deafness and blindness in dogs. I bred australian shepherds, Breeding 2 dogs with the merle gene produces pups that are blind or deaf if they are born with a solid white head. The merle gene is not the same as the piebald gene. They dont have to be extreme white, Just an all white head to be deaf or blind. Last edited by Breezeaway; 01-31-2009 at 04:05 PM.

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my2boyz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my house :) Posts: 5,219	So far my piebald dogs have been healthier than any of the standard Yorkies that I have owned and all of my Yorkies came from 'reputable' breeders.