Parti confussion?????

[JeanieK]

No I have not spoken with the Mars people, I just got the information from their website.

Here is a litter with 2 partis, one golden and one black

Partis.jpg

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yes it is pretty easy to produce Partis if you want them, all you have to do is breed two Partis together. Some breeders are breeding "carriers" and the odds become 1 in four it will be a Parti. Some people probably are breeding what they think to be carriers, but are just regular yorkies. Remember the odds of producing a regular yorkie when you mate carriers together are also one in four. I'm not sure how they would know he's a carrier, unless the dog has produced a Parti before.

If a traditional looking yorkie has one full parti parent, he/shed will definiely be a carrier.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

If a traditional looking yorkie has one full parti parent, he/shed will definiely be a carrier.

Yes, you're right, I was thinking, about how they knew when two carriers are bred.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Yes, you're right, I was thinking, about how they knew when two carriers are bred.

Sometimes they have a large white bib and white feet and toenails. Yes generally you would not know unless they produce a parti offspring.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by qraven

So true.. Shakespeare had a wonderful way with words.

For those that are wondering a group of us called AKC yesterday to clarify what their stand was and when asked in regards to the Biewer and Biewer Terrier we were told that it is nothing more than a party colored Yorkie and was not even in consideration for FSS as it's own breed. If you do not believe me call them yourself. Unlike others though I will not throw their names out on a forum all you do is ask AKC for the person handling the Biewer or Biewer Terrier in FSS and they will get you to the correct person

I for sure wanted to know since I am owned by some lovely Biewer a la Pom Pon

WOW I am totally shocked by this since I asked this question a long time ago. But I don't understand how that is when the two do look different in color comparison, one looks parti while the other has more black in certain areas. I have been a fan of biewers since I noticed one YT member's biewer.

This is getting interesting now, if you delete the personally attacks on each others dogs. Also both sides do appear to have good arguments when discussing the parti vs. yorkie standards. So to us less informed great information.

With the two main people, I hold the up most respect to each of you, you both seem to do your homework on your breeding program and that is what our society needs more than anything, even if you both don't agree with each other on this topic, you do have something in common and that is trying to better what you think is better for the breed. So I give both a

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

WOW I am totally shocked by this since I asked this question a long time ago. But I don't understand how that is when the two do look different in color comparison, one looks parti while the other has more black in certain areas. I have been a fan of biewers since I noticed one YT member's biewer.

This is getting interesting now, if you delete the personally attacks on each others dogs. Also both sides do appear to have good arguments when discussing the parti vs. yorkie standards. So to us less informed great information.

With the two main people, I hold the up most respect to each of you, you both seem to do your homework on your breeding program and that is what our society needs more than anything, even if you both don't agree with each other on this topic, you do have something in common and that is trying to better what you think is better for the breed. So I give both a

We probably all could call AKC and get different answers. I may call one day next week.
I say this because I went to the unemployment office one time, talked to 3 different people that worked there, and all 3 said something different about unemployment.

[Delightyorkies]

[QUOTE=Breezeaway;2446810]This is Taken from a Biewer site"ALL Biewers regardless of whether bred in the United States, Germany, Argentina or Hungary will trace back to Darling von Friedheck and Fru-Fru von Friedheck . If they do not then they are not Biewers.[/QUOT
This is a great point.On "Paper" all of them do,even the ugliest and totally out of standard Biewers you will come across.This might be the biggest difference between Parties and Biewers.The Biewers go back to Friedheck and the Parties do not.

[JeanieK]

[quote=Delightyorkies;2447330]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

This is Taken from a Biewer site"ALL Biewers regardless of whether bred in the United States, Germany, Argentina or Hungary will trace back to Darling von Friedheck and Fru-Fru von Friedheck . If they do not then they are not Biewers.[/QUOT
This is a great point.On "Paper" all of them do,even the ugliest and totally out of standard Biewers you will come across.This might be the biggest difference between Parties and Biewers.The Biewers go back to Friedheck and the Parties do not.

Correct. The parti color was cultivated here in the states.

Quote from Pinehaven.

Many of the new parti lines we see today (parti litters being produced by two traditional colored yorkies) are tracing back to one dog born in the late
1950's, CH Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance, including the Nikkos parti dogs. Wildweir Kennels was one of the kennels AKC interviewed about Parti color showing up and Wildweir told AKC that they had Parti colored pups being born
in their own litters.

[Delightyorkies]

Mr.and Mrs.Biewer had a very tight grip on their breeding program until Mr. Biewer died.Most of their puppies had been sold into pet homes.Only a handful of breeders had been offered Stud services .The Biewer 25 years ago was very expensive 4000 DM.That would have bought you a pretty nice used car in Germany,at this time We suspect that even at that time adventurous German breeders tried to recreate the Biewer.Which was possible in the first generation ,but these dogs would never breed true.Their offspring would convert back to whatever was mixed into them or even worse ,would create weird looking dogs that looked like "who knows what."Soon after Mr. Biewer died ,the Biewer hit an all time low.Nobody seemed to have very much interest any more in the breed.Prices of 350-500 DM had not attracted many breeders.The Biewer was on his way to die out.Due to the American interest and monies the Biewer suddenly came into high demand.At this time many of the old Biewers lines had been closed and the dogs had been retired.The high demand and the willingness of the American buyer to pay top dollar for the dogs shifted German Biewer breeding into high gear.Many of us that imported in 2004-2007 bought dogs that came from a few German breeders. American breeders all over the USA,have siblings and littermates to each other.Therefore many of the foundation Biewers are the same.The BTCA Mars tested over a hundred Biewers and has a pretty good picture what the American Biewer consists of.Due to the great relationship ,constant contact and the trust Mrs.Biewer has shown us ,we have been able to gain a much better understanding of how this dog should be bred and how to combat the arising health issues.The Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon 25 years ago had none of the undesirable traits of some of Biewers sold today.Several of our Members are in the beginning of their 4th Generation of American bred Biewers.We call that commitment to the breed . The BTCA has paid close attention to lines that are suspicious in Liver shunt and epilepsy .We have avoided these breeders and lines and so far none in the USA produced Liver shunt and epilepsy puppies have come from BTCA members.In our fight and struggle for this breed we have had NO support from our opposing clubs ,on the contrary ,we had to deal with the never ending attacks ,false accusations and unfounded opinions .The BTCA has left it to the discretion of its members to reveal the test results of their dogs. We feel it is a great disservice to this wonderful breed to be bred by people that deceive the public about the purity of their dogs.Untested Biewers bred together is about the worst practice that could happen for the Biewer in the future.For all of you that want to wait for the perfect test go ahead and wait.The BTCA is about doing the best they can for the "Biewer Terrier "today, at least have the decency not to be a hindrance.Do we think the Biewer Terrier is going to be superior,you bet we do and so do all the authorities that support us,including Mrs.Biewer.
We do not compare ourself with the Parti Yorkies and their breeders and pass no judgement on them.
We are the "Biewer Terrier Club of America" BTCA inc., not to be confused with the BBCI that recently changed their name to BBCA inc..

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Delightyorkies

Mr.and Mrs.Biewer had a very tight grip on their breeding program until Mr. Biewer died.Most of their puppies had been sold into pet homes.Only a handful of breeders had been offered Stud services .The Biewer 25 years ago was very expensive 4000 DM.That would have bought you a pretty nice used car in Germany,at this time We suspect that even at that time adventurous German breeders tried to recreate the Biewer.Which was possible in the first generation ,but these dogs would never breed true.Their offspring would convert back to whatever was mixed into them or even worse ,would create weird looking dogs that looked like "who knows what."Soon after Mr. Biewer died ,the Biewer hit an all time low.Nobody seemed to have very much interest any more in the breed.Prices of 350-500 DM had not attracted many breeders.The Biewer was on his way to die out.Due to the American interest and monies the Biewer suddenly came into high demand.At this time many of the old Biewers lines had been closed and the dogs had been retired.The high demand and the willingness of the American buyer to pay top dollar for the dogs shifted German Biewer breeding into high gear.Many of us that imported in 2004-2007 bought dogs that came from a few German breeders. American breeders all over the USA,have siblings and littermates to each other.Therefore many of the foundation Biewers are the same.The BTCA Mars tested over a hundred Biewers and has a pretty good picture what the American Biewer consists of.Due to the great relationship ,constant contact and the trust Mrs.Biewer has shown us ,we have been able to gain a much better understanding of how this dog should be bred and how to combat the arising health issues.The Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon 25 years ago had none of the undesirable traits of some of Biewers sold today.Several of our Members are in the beginning of their 4th Generation of American bred Biewers.We call that commitment to the breed . The BTCA has paid close attention to lines that are suspicious in Liver shunt and epilepsy .We have avoided these breeders and lines and so far none in the USA produced Liver shunt and epilepsy puppies have come from BTCA members.In our fight and struggle for this breed we have had NO support from our opposing clubs ,on the contrary ,we had to deal with the never ending attacks ,false accusations and unfounded opinions .The BTCA has left it to the discretion of its members to reveal the test results of their dogs. We feel it is a great disservice to this wonderful breed to be bred by people that deceive the public about the purity of their dogs.Untested Biewers bred together is about the worst practice that could happen for the Biewer in the future.For all of you that want to wait for the perfect test go ahead and wait.The BTCA is about doing the best they can for the "Biewer Terrier "today, at least have the decency not to be a hindrance.Do we think the Biewer Terrier is going to be superior,you bet we do and so do all the authorities that support us,including Mrs.Biewer.
We do not compare ourself with the Parti Yorkies and their breeders and pass no judgement on them.
We are the "Biewer Terrier Club of America" BTCA inc., not to be confused with the BBCI that recently changed their name to BBCA inc..

Thank you for putting this up on here for everyone to read

[JeanieK]

Very good over view of the Biewer. Which breeds of dogs were used to develope the breed. And how are they registered in the all breed registries.

I agree with being particular about which lines you buy from, there are also parti breeders that I would not buy from. There are a lot of knock offs out there, possibly more knock offs than there are true purebred parti yorkies.

[bchgirl]

I don't understand why you keep asking how they are registered. It's been answered several times already.

For the record...AKC stands for American Kennel Club. They would have never been registered with AKC...there isn't any such registry in Germany....regardless of what they were called.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

I don't understand why you keep asking how they are registered. It's been answered several times already.

For the record...AKC stands for American Kennel Club. They would have never been registered with AKC...there isn't any such registry in Germany....regardless of what they were called.

I am not talking about your breed club registry.

I know they are not registered with the AKC. But I know they have to registered with an all breed registry, for purebred dogs, for showing purposes. CKC APRI, ACA, ACR, ABRA, APR, APA, NAKC, UABR, ETC. The list is long. since the BTCA is most likely not recognized yet by any of these registries, the must be registered as something else.

You say you have answered the question, I must have missed it, so could you please post it again? And which breeds of dogs were used to develop the breed.

[Woogie Man]

I've been reading this thread with a great deal of interest. I'm hesitant to post as the main posters here seem to have done their homework but I do have a question. Isn't the word 'parti' the same as 'piebald'? If so, there are piebald colors in other breeds, and in those cases, it seems that the breed clubs don't accept them either due to potential health risks, mainly deafness. Is there something unique about the Yorkie that exempts it from these risks? I found fairly quickly a few sites about other breeds with piebald concerns, namely the Dachshund, Boston Terrier and Great Dane. Here's some links...health issues....WHITES: IS IT WORTH THE RISKS and, also Health Issues I'm sure there are sites with piebald advocates too, but the piebald issue seems to be well known in the dog world and it seems to be well accepted that there are risks in breeding for that look. I have no expertise with this but am just an interested observer so I may be completely off base. They are lovely dogs but isn't it a little like playing with fire to breed for that look (color), regardless of the origin of the gene?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I've been reading this thread with a great deal of interest. I'm hesitant to post as the main posters here seem to have done their homework but I do have a question. Isn't the word 'parti' the same as 'piebald'? If so, there are piebald colors in other breeds, and in those cases, it seems that the breed clubs don't accept them either due to potential health risks, mainly deafness. Is there something unique about the Yorkie that exempts it from these risks? I found fairly quickly a few sites about other breeds with piebald concerns, namely the Dachshund, Boston Terrier and Great Dane. Here's some links...health issues....WHITES: IS IT WORTH THE RISKS and, also Health Issues I'm sure there are sites with piebald advocates too, but the piebald issue seems to be well known in the dog world and it seems to be well accepted that there are risks in breeding for that look. I have no expertise with this but am just an interested observer so I may be completely off base. They are lovely dogs but isn't it a little like playing with fire to breed for that look (color), regardless of the origin of the gene?

You just got me thinking too, and now, I'm curious about this as well. I know that white cats with (I think it's blue eyes) are also deaf