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01-12-2009, 10:23 PM | #1 |
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| Hoping for some advice. I messed up Let me get this out of the way. I was foolsh. I made a mistake. I am already quite upset about this and feel horrible now I need advice on what to do. My female was bred to a male much smaller than she is. As always they tied once with me right there and then skiped one day and tied the next day. After that the male was taken home and no further breeding was planned. 6 days from her first tie ( including that day) I let all of the dogs out to go potty. What I did not know was that my daughter would open the door and let out my female who was in heat.. ( No I don;t blame my child, Me myself and I should have had her with me!) when I went out after making myself a coke she was tied to my male who is to big for her. he is 3lbs bigger than she is. 4 1/2 vs 7 and a quarter. so not only is he larger but the tie was 6 days apart. I have never had an oops before... I am extra careful with my 2 smaller girls....any advice would be helpful I feel really really stupid right now... I do understand all pups will have to have genetic testing. I am more worried about the health of my female and her pups. |
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01-12-2009, 10:27 PM | #2 |
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| Aw! I have no idea what to tell you. Good luck though! Bump!
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01-12-2009, 10:44 PM | #3 |
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| Thank you. |
01-13-2009, 05:21 AM | #4 |
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| The size of the pups at birth are determined by the size of the dam, the position of the whelps in the uterine horns, and the resources that are available. If your gal was first bred on her 10th day (the average day of ovulation) than a breeding at day 18 probably didn't meet up with any viable ovum. It's going to be expensive to find out for sure but the dam should be fine if she has free whelped in the past.
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01-13-2009, 07:21 AM | #5 | |
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Thank you! I have heard that pups can be pre-term if bred to far apart. She has free whelped. I wish this didn't happen but I can't change the past. My only concern now is that Mom won't be harmed and pups won't be in danger. I feel a little better now. | |
01-13-2009, 07:23 AM | #6 |
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| Rest assured Little Paws - you and she will be fine.
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01-13-2009, 10:15 AM | #7 |
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| I will preface this by saying that I do not breed yorkies, but I do breed papillons. I have wondered about the comments I have seen on the board concerning not breeding a bitch to a dog that is bigger than she is (I totally understand not breeding a small bitch period-- my cut-off is 5 lbs and even then, I want their pelvis width checked before breeding) because that is not something I have really considered in breeding my dogs- it is not unusual to breed a larger dog to a smaller bitch so long as they are within our standard (which is based on height, not weight). For the most part, it seems like the size of the bitch, the number of puppies, and their placement in the uterine horns are better predictors of the size of newborn puppies. My first litter was a larger bitch with a smaller dog, there were 3 puppies, all around 6 oz at birth. A repeat of that breeding 2.5 years later resulted in 6 puppies, all right around 4 oz at birth. More puppies, less room to grow seems to have equaled smaller puppies. On another bitch, bred to a taller dog on her first litter there were 3 puppies, all around 5.5 oz. Bred to a smaller dog for her second litter, we again had 3 puppies, all around 5.5-6 oz. Different size dogs (by at least 1.5 inches) but the same size puppies. On a third bitch bred to a larger dog, there was one puppy, however we discovered (as she had to had an emergency section due to premature placenta separation) that he was located very high up in the uterine horn, way within her chest. He did not survive the section, but he was about 5 oz, not big for a singleton, most likely due to his placement in the uterine horn restricting his growth. I would be more concerned that she is fairly small at not quite 5 lbs to be bred at all, regardless of the size of the dog that bred her. Hopefully you did progesterone or LH testing so that you have a good predictor of her due date so you can be ultra cautious with her. Regardless of what size dog bred her, I would be sure to x-ray a few days before that to try to get some idea as to the size of the puppies (although the perspective is not always right, you will get some idea if one or more is just huge) and I would definitely have my vet ready to section if she has any trouble. |
01-13-2009, 10:26 AM | #8 |
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| Oops, missed the part that she has free whelped previously-- if they have, I don't worry as much as I do with a first litter. Although the second bitch I mentioned had a nice, easy whelp her first litter, but the second litter resulted in a section-- however it was caused by the first little monster who decided to try to exit in a true breach position, rump first-- had nothing to do with her size, puppy size or her labor, just one silly puppy making things difficult! |
01-13-2009, 03:35 PM | #9 | |
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I am very cautious and always ready for a C-section with any of my dogs. I know it can happen with any birth. | |
01-13-2009, 03:36 PM | #10 |
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