Any one familiar with Moon Valley Kennel
 

I have just found and put a deposit down on a beautiful baby girl, AVA. Who will be coming home Christmas Eve. I was wondering if any one was familiar with Moon Valley Kennel. Thanks.:)

I just went to the website, but, didn't see any puppies on there for sale or the parents of any either

If it is the one in Tennessee, she is a member here. :)

is this the website of your breeder you are referring to
Moon Valley Kennel

Hi everyone - this is Rachel, Betty's daughter. As some of you may already know, there was a news story on my mom's kennel this evening. Well, I have got to speak up in defense of my mom. I was here when Walt bought Lance. He was 3.5 lbs at 10 months. Walt came to our house with his wife to see Lance and they loved him. Mom told him he had baby teeth that needed to be removed at the same time he was to be neutered. (He signed a contract agreeing to neuter Lance within 6 months.) In the news interview, he said his teeth were rotten and infected. ??? Seriously? Retained puppy teeth are common in toy breeds. That is a no-brainer.

The other thing is the retained testicle. Again, Seriously?? We know Cryptorchidism is hereditary, but only a couple of other dogs from these lines have inherited it. It is not a life-threatening condition. Yes, later on in life it can produce cancer, but at 10 months old, it is a simple procedure that is taken care when the animal is neutered.

My mother is a very responsible breeder. If she wasn't, she would not have been doing this for 16 years. Also, buyers sign a contract agreeing to the terms set forth as did Walt. She ALWAYS goes over the contract in a nutshell and explains the condition of bringing a puppy back and replacing it with another one, if applicable. She has umpteen references she can release to anyone at the drop of a hat, including our veterinarian (Dr. Butler Jr., Knoxville, TN. - 865-531-7311) AND several members here on YT. On top of that she is a very caring and charitable person. She helps people when there is a need, she is there. She bends over backwards for her customers, is always there after the sale if someone has questions or would like for her to administer shots and so on and so forth. She is the not this horrible person Walt is trying to make her out as.

Inspectors for AKC have been visiting our kennel regularly for the past 5 or 6 years, each time impressing them and passing the inspection with flying colors. In fact, the inspector that came out this past summer asked to take pictures of our kennel system so he could suggest our design to other breeders that he inspects.

What we are dealing with is a dissatisfied old man with a serious case of BUYERS REMORSE. I failed to mention above that Walt and Carole told us that they had returned two puppies to other breeders because of whatever reason. Hmm.. sound familiar?

He also claimed that Lance had infected ears. Bullcrap! He wasn't scratching or in discomfort - he was running around playing like crazy with the other babies we had out to show Walt. If he had mites, which is entirely possible, they were minor and they are easily treated. If she had known that he had them, she would have GIVEN him the medicine to treat it, instead of him paying $177 to have his outrageously expensive vet do it for him.

I read all the emails between this guy and my mom. He is an unreasonable old grouch who cannot be pleased. My mom offered to pay for part of the vet bill at HER VET (Dr. Butler as mentioned above) and meet him during the surgery. I guess he likes to be in the lime light and is trying his best to ruin the Moon Valley Kennel reputation. I don't appreciate it and find it very insulting.

If any of you would like to call up and talk to my mom (BEFORE anyone of you ol' timers on this board want to make accusations about her or her Yorkies without dealing with her personally, or judging her based on the website [by the way is ONLY maintained by my husband and I who work full time jobs ... to help her out a little online.]) you are more than welcome to. Her phone number is 865-591-7220. By all means, leave a message if she doesn't answer. She absolutely will return your call.

I am going to emphasize, one more time, that I will be very upset if I get back on here and read accusing comments from people do not have first contact or dealings with my mother. It is insulting and immature and I am tired of reading comments that degrade other people. That is all I'm going to say about the situation. If you have something negative to say, please PM me and talk to me about it first. Better yet, just give us a call and tell us in person so we can adequately defend ourselves.

I look forward to seeing where this thread goes. This whole situation is unfair and ridiculous.

And by the way -- the person who posted the link to the story just signed up today, only to post the link. Lets all take a guess at who this person just might be ???? He is trying his best to slander our name and ruin our reputation.

Why would you just join today, and post something about someone you know
nothing about???????? Have you meet Betty or been to her Kennel?
Have you purchased a Yorkie from Betty???? I looked into you info and
see that there is NOTHING there about YOU!!!!! When you want to post
something negative about someone let it be known who you are!!!!!!!!!!
Steven

To the new member who posted the vidio on Moon Valley Kennel,:aimeeyork
How nice of you to post something negative on your very first day
as a member:thumbdown I noticed that you have no info of who you are
and where you are??????:confused: Do you know Betty, have you been
to her Kennel, have you purchased a Yorkie from Betty?????? You just
post something you think will be negative and run coward!!
Steven
Graysons Kennels
Sweetwater Tennessee

The other thing is the retained testicle. Again, Seriously?? We know Cryptorchidism is hereditary, but only a couple of other dogs from these lines have inherited it. It is not a life-threatening condition. Yes, later on in life it can produce cancer, but at 10 months old, it is a simple procedure that is taken care when the animal is neutered


MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE IF YOU KNOW THESE LINES HAVE A CHANCE OF PRODUCING THIS WHY ARE THEY BEING BRED?

Everyone that breeds never has perfect Yorkies.. If you put a depoist down on a baby I say go for it.. and If i was Betty give that guy his money and get the puppy and fix him and sell him to a nice family or give him to someone that will love him that cant afford to buy one... Merry Christmas everyone... No worries just get the puppy and love them..:D

No breeder removes a quality male stud who he himself does have this problem, just because a pup is produced every once in a blue moon with a retained testicle. On top of that, at 10 months of age, the retained testicle can still drop until 14 months of age.

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BEING BRED.

EDIT: TO THE ABOVE POST!

OUR STUDS DO NOT NOT NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM! Stupid typos.

Betty has the most beautiful dogs, and I would buy one from her without a doubt. I have never met Betty or Rachel but I have spoken to Betty on the phone before when looking to add to our family and is she is very sweet and very very knowledgable. She told more than I could have ever even though to ask about her dogs, she held nothing back.
I would be honored to have one of her dogs.

Sarah

i find this interesting

i did not mean to offend
i guess i just do thing different it can become a cycle of things to come by the correct offspring
if my dog was having undescended i would not want to carry the trait on threw the next generations as we know this is genetic good stud or not it is in the lines
and there is really no clear answer as to how far back it goes
just my opinion
so i guess if my male threw 2 pups with lp 4 this litter and 2 without it would be ok to sell the ones without on the hopes it would not show up again?
i guess i do not see the logic but than again to each there own




I believe it is safe to say that cryptorchidism is genetic, that it is in some way recessive, and that there is some sort of connection between bilateral cryptorchids and unilateral ones. Perhaps there is also a connection between the pituitary and floating testicles. At any rate, the unilateral condition at least is so widespread in many families and breeds that an all-out effort to combat it would take our minds and efforts away from more serious disorders, which would consequently increase. It’s just a minor thing we have to put up with. Simply remove the affected ones from the gene pool, and shift your preference away from breeding any (including females) that come from litters in which the defect occurred.

Since cryptorchidism is sex-limited (only affected males, not carrier females, show it) it is likely to persist at about the same prevalence in the breed for a long, long time. In Germany and many other countries, where registration is denied cryptorchids and sanctions are made against their parents, more than half of the "VA" (top show) GSDs in a 20-year period sired cryptorchids and hence were carriers



Frequently, owners notice that the puppy they just purchased only has one or possibly no testicles within the scrotum. Although different dates are listed in some of the veterinary literature, both testicles are usually within the scrotum by the time the animal is six weeks of age and they should definitely be there by the time the puppy is eight to ten weeks of age. If one or both testicles are not present at that location by twelve weeks of age, they probably never will be and the animal is said to be suffering from cryptorchidism or 'retained testicles.' This is a disorder that may be passed from generation to generation

Wow!
 

First of all I joined this forum to learn more about Yorkies, secondly it was actually Betty, from Moon Valley Kennel, that suggested that I post asking about her kennel.(not a move someone who has "questionable service" would make) . I had done all my on-line research to find the right dog for my enviroment, and have always wanted a Yorkie. It fits my lifestyle and my family. My husband spoke to Betty on a Wed. and was very impressed with her knowledge. My husband and I met with Betty and some of her wonderful puppies on the following Sat., She sat with us for more that a couple of hours as we asked question after question, spent time with 3 puppies she had picked out for us to take a look at. Never once did Betty try to "sell" us a puppy. Betty told us many stories of people who were totally satisfied with their Yorkie pup, and she did not hesitate to tell us about problems that she had experienced with others. She made us very comfortable with the fact that her puppies are her pride and that she does the very best of her capablity to make sure all parties are satisfied. Betty disclosed the story in question to me before it was a "headline" and then retold the same story to me the exact same way when she called to tell me the story had been released and discussed my position on my soon to be Yorkie pup, Ava. I explained to Betty, my confidence in her was solid, she disclosed all the information to me and allowed me to make my own decision.

I had never met Betty or Rachel before that Sat. and I can honestly and respectfully say, Yorkies are their life and they don't have the kennel that they have because they like "selling" puppies, they have the successful kennel that they have because they LOVE what they do and LOVE Yorkies.

That being said, Lady Avalon (AVA) will be making her grand appearance into my family on Christmas Eve and I am delighted to say that she is a MOON VALLEY KENNEL PUP!

I just saw the news video, and all I can say is little Lance is such a cutie pie. Even with the cost of surgery he's a great deal. I think, as a breeder, I would take him back if someone was unhappy.

Nancy - the biggest reason we didn't take Lance back is for the sole reason that they had had two puppies at their house and returned back to the breeder. We do not have the kind of space to isolate him for 10 days to make sure that he hasn't caught contagious diseases from these other puppies that were at his home. What if one of those other puppies had parvo and he was carrying it? What if he came to our house, played with the other puppies and then all of our puppies were doomed? My mother said all this during the interview but of course it was cut out.

Mom has decided to go ahead and take care of the neutering and baby teeth completely. We hope this will end this whole thing once and for all.

I did find that the newscasting seemed a little biased, it seems it should have been mentioned that most Yorkies have to have their baby teeth pulled. He is such a cutie pie, I just wouldn't want someone who didn't realize how lucky he was to have him . . . have him.

Here is proof that Betty of Moon Valley Kennels knows what she is doing.

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Barkley (17 months)

Oh Belinda Barkley is just handsome in that picture! LOL -- I love that STUD hair clip. It makes him look like a playgirl! Nice pics too -- where did have them done?

Thank you Rachal. I did the pictures myself. Have always enjoyed photography. Got a new Nikon DSLR for Christmas. Still learning how to use it. I don't enjoy taking the pictures as much as I do manipulating them in Photoshop. Isn't he quite the little Studmuffin. I love him soooo much and I thank your Mom every day for being so nice, so understanding, and so adamant about making sure I got what I wanted and not what she had to sell me. We have enjoyed watching him grow.

Here is what I found when I went to Moon Valley... The place is clean and the dogs seem to be well cared for. With that being said... the dogs are OVER breeded! Females are breeded with every heat! That is not healthy for the mom or the puppies!

Although the place is clean, I would not purchase a dog from them based on the above. You can not breed a yorkie every heat and expect for her or the babies to continue to be healthy! That's backyard breeding!

What makes you think she's breeding every heat? Did she tell you this? You can breed 2 straight then skip or breed then skip. You're right, it's not good to breed every heat, but, where did you get this info from that said this is what Betty was doing?:confused:

Yes, I would like to know where you got your information from? I am Betty's daughter, and I don't even know how often she breeds certain dogs! I know for a fact that she would NEVER tell a stranger, or her friends for that matter, that sort of information. My mother and I would like to know what she might have said to give you the inkling that she operates that way? Call us up and talk to us so you can express your personal opinion to us first-- We'd certainly love to hear from you!! 865-308-0222 or you can email us at betty@ayorkieisforever.com with your number and we'll call you.

All do respect... she is your mother, I would expect you to defend her. Maybe defend is not the right word, but you know what I mean. Second, not sharing that information is another red flag! If I'm buying a puppy, I want to know how many litters the mother has had. That is very important info for a possible buyer and something that the breeder should have NO problem giving! What age did the dog have it's first litter and so on... Anyone who does their homework before buying is going into this informed and that's 1 of the things you should be looking for in a good forever home. Also... breeding to produce "teacup, mini or pocket pups" is also something to beware of! These dogs more often then not have major health issues and something a good breeder would not do!

We do NOT advertise tea cup and mini sized Yorkies. She refuses to keep any females for breeding that end up being less than 5 lbs anyway. Where are you getting all this from?? Its not on our website, and we would never tell anyone that we do. Our Yorkies are extremely well cared for, just as you noted, and my mother would never do anything to jeopardize the health of her dogs. What did my mother tell you when you asked her these questions? In fact, she said she didn't even remember anyone from VA coming to visit recently, especially anyone asking those types of questions. And, you didn't answer mine and phfgkl's question about getting your information?

It sounds to me like you're just trying to create a stir for no reason at all. At least tell me when you came out and your name so we can remember who you were. Let us know who you are instead of hiding behind a screen name. As mentioned above, call my mom and talk to her. She isn't too good at the internet thing and prefers the old fashioned method of communication.

Yes, as I stated the place looks clean. No, I am not trying to create a "stir". I wasn't living in VA when I came to see your mom's place. Where I got my info was first hand and then I also heard it again from a friend that has 2 of your mom's dogs.
All I am saying is if anyone on this is looking to purchase a puppy, ASK lots of questions. If the breeder will not tell you how many litters the mom has had, the age she was when she had her first litter & how often she is breed... RUN! A good breeder will not withhold that info and will have nothing to hide. Because they are doing the right thing by both mom & pups. You stated yourself that that info is something your mother would "Never" tell anyone not even you. As you should know... the more you breed a dog, the more health issues BOTH the mother & the puppies have. Dogs are not money making machines! They should not be forced to have litter after litter. They are tiny little dogs and the stress & strain that is put on their bodies while pregnant and during birth takes a toll on them!!! If in fact what you are saying is true, then your mother doesn't have anything to worry about and should be more then willing to answer the above questions for any potential buyer. In my experience & my friend's that info was not given up.

You say the info wasn't given up, but then again your friend still bought two of her dogs? If you have so much advice, then why didn't you tell her not to buy them from her? All you are doing is assuming - just because someone doesn't offer the information, it automatically means the dogs are bred back to back? You don't have a clue. You have NO idea. Her breeding records are her business and her business alone - what you are implying is that she voluntarily puts the health of her dogs in harms way - yet at the same time, she built a beautiful $70k kennel for them? Now that doesn't make much sense. And yes, you are creating a stir. And there is no need for it. I would very much appreciate it if you just left it at that. You've made your point because you keep saying the same thing in your posts and you obviously have nothing else to say.

You still haven't called us and keep hiding behind a screen name. What is one to think who says something so harmful about a business with only 7 posts under their belt? Could it be? Someone trying to create a stir. Crazy.

Who's hiding... aren't you answering posts for your mother???? The "business owner". And from the info in your earlier post... you have NO IDEA how often she breeds the same dogs. Maybe it's you who should stop and have her reply.

Truth is when asked the questions, your mother did not want to answer them. That is a RED flag! Plain simple fact! With nothing to hide the questions should be answered! It doesn't matter what you say or how you defend her a buyer has the right to that info!! Just because you send $$ on a kennel DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD BREEDER. What that tells me is that you must be doing a whole lot of breeding to pay for that kennel... again, we go back to mass production! And I guess you think that that makes you a good breeder??

As far as what my friend who did buy her dogs from your mother... 1 of her dogs has a liver shunt, he was born with it. She has said herself that she should have walked away when her questions weren't answered.

All of this is the truth and the readers can take whatever stock in it that they want. Neither you nor I can make anyone do something they don't want to do. If they are going to buy from your mom and they feel comfortable with that choice... then that's what they are going to do. I'm not trying to stop that. I just think that they should ask questions and get answers. If they don't get the answers and they are ok with that... so be it! And since you have "no idea" how often your mother breeds her dogs and at what age... I don't think this is an issue you should be addressing, your mother should!