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[bilbao]

In the event that your girl does have a litter, how do you think they will act when they are separated then? Just something to plan for in advance.

are you referring to separation of the mom and pups or mom and dad? if mom and pups that is just something we will have to deal with and if it is dad and pups i am not going to keep my male away unless he gives me a good reason to. he is much less aggressive than my female. honestly i was surprised to see him even trying to breed i figured he thought he was a girl due to his lack of acting like a man rather than a woman. i figured he was confused with who he was. no but seriously he is so gentle and loving he constantly is grooming my female watching out for her. its quite cute really.

[bilbao]

Originally Posted by bilbao

We have a 9 month old yorkie/poo and a 6 month old yorkie. our 9 month went into heat 3 weeks ago and we first noticed her being accepting to our male on the 11th of aug we were very careful at first with them because we didnt want her to get pregnant on her first heat. so we always had our male wearing his belly band and would take them out to do their business at different times. after a few days of watching our male "try" desperately to even get his paws mounted on our female and being very unsuccessful because of his lack of height we became a little more free with the dogs being together. we never saw them get even close to tying but now it is all said and done my females teats are starting to get bigger and develope a sack above her nipples but it seems that some days its bigger than others and she is now constantly wanting a belly rub. also she is licking herself all the time too. the hair on her belly hasnt really thinned out too much and she hasnt been sick at all. she is still very energetic and playful maybe even more than she was before. our male was trying from the 11th which was a monday until that next monday then just stopped. during the time of him trying he would try for like 2 minutes and then just quit for the day like he knew he wasnt going to be big enough then the next day he would try for a minute and then just quit again all day. are there any sure signs that i can look for? i mean we want to breed them because my siblings love them and would like to have one of their own but we werent wanting to this time. is there anything i can do at home to test and find out? also i have read that at bout 30 days the embryos are like the size of a walnut is that the same with a 8lb yorkie/poo that would have mated with a 4 lb yorkie? lots of questions anything will help. thanks

i was a little confused as to why everyone was telling me to spay my dog then i though well maybe i asked my original question strangly so i decided i would repost my original post for those of you who seemed to think i was looking for advise on spaying my dog or not. as you can clearly read i was just wondering if there was anything i could do or look for to help make a decision to if she is or isnt pregnant. and also about the size of embryos in a few weeks when we could maybe feel something and if i dared to put pressure on her belly how big would they be walnut? golf ball? marble? thats what i was asking. sorry for the confusion.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by bilbao

are you referring to separation of the mom and pups or mom and dad? dad and pups i am not going to keep my male away unless he gives me a good reason to.

I was actually referring to him being separated from mom and pups. You may very well find that both his and her history or aggressiveness or lack there of will fly out the window when new dogs and hormones come into play. I would suggest you get some feedback from some other experienced breeders regarding this plan.

Originally Posted by bilbao

i was a little confused as to why everyone was telling me to spay my dog then i though well maybe i asked my original question strangly so i decided i would repost my original post for those of you who seemed to think i was looking for advise on spaying my dog or not.

When you post about a situation such as you have, you will get a wide variety of advice. Unfortunately, you can't pick and choose and control the responses you get. But you can choose not to take the advice given--it's as simple as that. What does it hurt really to recieve a wide variety of options? The worst it's going to do is give you info on different options and opinions and possibly enlighten you to information you may have overlooked before. Is that really so bad?

[silkysilke]

I hope you are lucky and get no puppies this time, since she is still a puppy.
After she becomes a mommy there is a good chance she will also become another, adult dog and not the funny puppy you had before.

Ofcourse still the sweet dog, but suddenly adult.

Better wait till she is full grown and ready

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by wildcard

My dogs most certainly see each other other than when it is time to be bred. Bitches in season (and due to the dormitory effect most of my bitches come in within a few weeks of each other) are kept apart from intact males 100% of the time, whether I am around or not. When the bitches are not in season they are, when I am there to supervise, out and about along with everyone else, intact or not. I train my dogs for conformation, agility and obedience and whoever is in training comes out with me at the same time to practice, they travel together in a motorhome, and when I am not home they are crated in the same room together. I think you are making some assumptions about people who have experience breeding dogs that are not necessarily true and if you are implicating that for me breeding dogs is some kind of a business (I don't have 14 bitches that pop puppies out, I have 3 intact bitches of my own-- none of which has had a litter yet and one of which will never be bred--my litters have all been co-breedings with my mentor) you could not be more off base.
Regardless, you are right, what is done is done, and since you obviously do not want to spay your girl I hope that she and the puppies are healthy. It is highly likely that she is having a false heat anyway. If that is the case, I hope you are better able to keep the two dogs separate on future heat cycles if you leave them both intact. If you are not able to keep them separated during heat cycles she very well may end up pregnant on every cycle.

I think you have been very informative for anyone that may be in this same situation at another time or for the op the next time her bitch comes into season!...

[jennylee333]

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

ok...im probably sticking my foot in my mouth but here goes....
1. yes this would be a mixed litter....in her initial comment she stated that the female is a yorkie/poo and the male is a yorkie (by the way i think if there was a litter out of these 2 they would be absolutely gorgeous)
2....Spay/Neuter...if all dogs were spayed/neutered as some continually advise in post after post...then the yorkie population would die...you have to breed to get pups.
3. what is done(if it took) is done...and all she needs to hear now is that she is doing the best for her female as she can.
4...no breeder started out as an experienced breeder...we all start somewhere.
5...this is to you(original poster)....find a mentor (if and when she is preg)....and try to get one that is very confident in their experience....question everything...it doesnt make you sound stupid...actually it makes you sound very intelligent...intelligent people question everything...it is how they learn....good luck sweetie....and NO im not a breeder yet...still getting info....God Bless

Ya know that the breed wouldn't die out....it would just be soooooo expensive that NO one (that is none of us normal folk) would be able to bless our lives with one. If is was only the show breeders that bred there would be a supply and demand issue.

Definetly find a mentor and/or read all you can read NOW and then read it again. I have a folder in my documents that is all about breeding and whelping and pups and males and females....all easy quick references!

And the only stupid question is the one you do not ask....Besides you will get lots of answers to the same question. NEVER take one persons word as the gospel. Listen to what all the responses are and make your own educated decision.

Good luck to you and whatever life brings you!

[jennylee333]

Originally Posted by bilbao

i have called my vet but due to my geographical location we only have 1 vet within a four hour drive and he happens to be out of town until the first of next week so i felt that this would be the next best thing but aparantly that was a bad idea. those of you who are actually concerned and have helped i say thanks and to those of you who just create conflict i say shame on you.

I have to say that I do not believe that you were bashed....I do believe that there are alot of people that give the same advice NO matter who asks. I do not believe that the s/n thing should always pop up. That is given out lots here. This site is full of very knowledgable breeders and they take this breeding very seriously. Whenever I ask a question I just know that there WILL be some posts that I ignore and I hope that some one will post answers to my specific question. Make sure that you are very detailed in your question asking

It is never a bad idea to ask questions!

[CSRE]

Originally Posted by bilbao

i was a little confused as to why everyone was telling me to spay my dog then i though well maybe i asked my original question strangly so i decided i would repost my original post for those of you who seemed to think i was looking for advise on spaying my dog or not. as you can clearly read i was just wondering if there was anything i could do or look for to help make a decision to if she is or isnt pregnant. and also about the size of embryos in a few weeks when we could maybe feel something and if i dared to put pressure on her belly how big would they be walnut? golf ball? marble? thats what i was asking. sorry for the confusion.

I do not think anyone was confused, but, you cannot expect people to answer only what you wanna hear or care about. This is a public free forum after all . I also think that what happened was an irresponsibility and I am free to post it weather you are happy hearing it or not

I think you got plenty of advice so far

[Tnyorkiemom]

Originally Posted by CSRE

I do not think anyone was confused, but, you cannot expect people to answer only what you wanna hear or care about. This is a public free forum after all . I also think that what happened was an irresponsibility and I am free to post it weather you are happy hearing it or not

I think you got plenty of advice so far

if people were going by what the admin says for this forum she would hear only answers to the questions she has asked...it stats in the rules that you are supposed to stick to the OP...because it is a free public forum means you can ask any question or answer any question...but that is the point...answer the question given.....dont badger the person asking the question....if you have an answer to the question asked...answer it ....if not then just do like most and read only....im so sorry that the OP has felt like she has had to continually take up for herself....this is the reason alot are leaving the forum

[PrestigeousYT]

Be sure to have a good relationship with your vet.
Talk to him/her now so they are aware of the fact that your girl may be pregnant.
Let him check her out, not sure how far along she may be.
But I would seek your vets help now so you can be best prepared if she is pregnant.
He will check her pelvic bones to see how wide/narrow she is and if she is pregnant he can do xrays which will help to measure the skull to the pelvic area to see if it appears she may be able to have them naturally or by CSection.
I wait until the week the pups are due to have an Xray.
Best of luck to you and your girl.
I am not going to get into any of the other discussion.
Again Best of luck

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

if people were going by what the admin says for this forum she would hear only answers to the questions she has asked...it stats in the rules that you are supposed to stick to the OP...

Likewise, Admin is generally pretty good about deleting offensive and extremely off topic, irrelevant posts. Considering that none have been deleted, then I assume they felt they were informative and related to the original post closely enough that they could be left up.
The posts that were made were in response to the information GIVEN by the OP or her posts that followed afterwards.

[emilyann]

LOL - I can't believe this post is still getting replies downing people's advice. Gotta love it!

Hope everything is going well with the OP & her dogs.

[CSRE]

Well I think somehow all answers were relevant, I don’t see any off topic matters, and rules also state that “If you disagree with their approach or method, feel free to reply, but do it in a civil way” and I think everyone has been pretty civil here, honest and civil, you can't expect people to restrain from being honest and i don't see any rudeness, just, honestly

Once again, i think plenty of good advice has been given already

[Ashley V]

Please don't take this as "bashing" or whatever... but for the future... you say your dogs get sad when separated, which I understand, but what are you going to do each time she goes in heat? You can't have 3, 4, 5+ litters just because your dogs get upset. Something has to be done. I recommend that AFTER she has this litter, if she's pregnant, that she get spayed, or the male get neutered, or both. Have these dogs even been tested for genetic disorders/diseases since you were thinking of breeding?

If she is pregnant, please find a mentor in the area for emergencies and get all necessary supplies. I would also probably find a way to separate dad and mom after the pups are born because you don't know how either of them are going to react and you don't want the pups or anyone to get hurt/killed.

Also, one more thought to ponder... you said there is only one vet within four hours... what are you going to do if there are major complications and your baby needs a c-section. The mother and/or pups could very easily die and especially because she is so young.

Please just think about this. I'm in no way bashing or telling you want to do... I'm just concerned for the safety of your girl and the potential babies. Good luck and keep us updated!

[Sunnie]

I would like to suggest that the OP read this thred http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...ad-client.html

It CAN and DOES happen!! My gosh hon, your girl is still a baby. Yes, maybe she will be fine having them.. just like a pro.. and maybe not one of the bad things will happen. But you have to be educated about what can and very often does happen. If you think some people are just being mean.. you really should go back over this and read it again. We all CARE.. I mean we REALLY care about this breed. My heart hurts right now to think of a 9 month old pregnant yorkie baby. It is NOT easy. I have personally lost a litter before and I have personally had my female go thru a c-section. I mean, what is done is done.. and before you make a decision on what to do, please speak with your vet and honestly listen to his HONEST opinion on whether she can have them. If he advises against it, please open your heart to swallow your pride and do the right thing for her. If he says she will be okay.. then please follow the advise you have been given here and learn everything you can. I wish you the best of luck. PS.. Please hon.,... do NOT let your boy make the decision on whether he will be around her babies. They may be best of friends right know and loving each other so much, and depressed when apart.. but I can tell you right now.. it is RARE for a nursing mother to tolerate ANY other dog anywhere near her babies. That is pure irresponsibility to allow him in the same room with her with new puppies. It is NOT him that will hurt her or them. It is the MOM.,. she could very well kill him. It HAs HAPPENED AND does HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN YOU WOULD BELIEVE. gOOD LUCK