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BabyFidgette 08-18-2008 11:13 AM
Look, here's what you should do. Speak to the breeder and tell her you had no contract and that you'd like all your money back considering your job situation. If she says no, say sorry, but I'm going to have to file a claim with Paypal or my credit card. The fangs may come out, but you have to do what you feel is right. Being out a perfect job AND $300 is not good!

jeanief 08-18-2008 11:30 AM
My deposits are non-refundable. I always make sure to have that in writing, and tell the people that, to make sure they are ready to make that commitment. The puppy is not going to suffer, it will be placed in a different home. The buyers will be the ones that are out the deposit $$ and that should not have any impact on the puppy. With that being said, since it was only 4 days I hope she would work with you on a partial or full refund. And if it wasn't in writing on a contract you should get your $$ back I would think. I too would think that paypal would side with the seller. Sorry about your husbands job and I wish you the best!

BabyFidgette 08-18-2008 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanief (Post 2188700)
My deposits are non-refundable. I always make sure to have that in writing, and tell the people that, to make sure they are ready to make that commitment. The puppy is not going to suffer, it will be placed in a different home. The buyers will be the ones that are out the deposit $$ and that should not have any impact on the puppy. With that being said, since it was only 4 days I hope she would work with you on a partial or full refund. And if it wasn't in writing on a contract you should get your $$ back I would think. I too would think that paypal would side with the seller. Sorry about your husbands job and I wish you the best!
Paypal does not side with the seller unless there is a delivery confirmation number. That's what Paypal wants. If you can't provide one, you are poop out of luck! In this day and age it isn't buyer beware...it's seller beware.

PrestigeousYT 08-18-2008 12:16 PM
I just feel this poor breeder has been very unappreciated.
It was not due to her not being able to keep her end of the agreement.
It was you that could not keep your side of the agreement.
You asked her for a partial refund and she offered that but after the puppy was sold.
Seems to me after you placing that pup on hold for you so he/she was no longer available for sale that you should sit back and wait for that pup to be sold. And I find the paypal thing a very tacky and rude way to deal with this.
JMHO


Deana
Prestigeous

BabyFidgette 08-18-2008 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 2188810)
I just feel this poor breeder has been very unappreciated.
It was not due to her not being able to keep her end of the agreement.
It was you that could not keep your side of the agreement.
You asked her for a partial refund and she offered that but after the puppy was sold.
Seems to me after you placing that pup on hold for you so he/she was no longer available for sale that you should sit back and wait for that pup to be sold. And I find the paypal thing a very tacky and rude way to deal with this.
JMHO


Deana
Prestigeous
Tacky is the breeder not having a written agreement and doing business via email. Tacky is wanting to keep someone's money after having a hardship! Tacky is keeping someone's deposit, and turning around and selling the pup for the same price! Tacky is thinking some life changing person is going to come in after 4 days! But, of course, you're a breeder and will side with them. Why would I think anything different?

PrestigeousYT 08-18-2008 12:29 PM
I dont have a clue who the breeder is, yes a contract should always be done.
And you should never spend money that is not already in your hand.
That would help with a lot of the deposit situation.

But no I do not think going thru paypal is a nice way to go the breeder agreed to give back a partial refund. Yes it would be rude and tacky!!
JMHO
Nuf said :)

Deana
Prestigeous

BabyFidgette 08-18-2008 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 2188836)
I dont have a clue who the breeder is, yes a contract should always be done.
And you should never spend money that is not already in your hand.
That would help with a lot of the deposit situation.

But no I do not think going thru paypal is a nice way to go the breeder agreed to give back a partial refund. Yes it would be rude and tacky!!
JMHO
Nuf said :)

Deana
Prestigeous
Maybe for you, but not everyone! JMHO of course! :thumbup: If there isn't a contract most people (not just breeders) will try to get away with not giving any money back. Been there, done that with almost $5000. The initial deposit of $3000 was in the contract as being non-refundable. Okay, acceptable, but the second deposit of $5000 wasn't! He tried to keep it all $8000! Nope, we got our $5000 back. If you don't fight for yourself, who will?

Another thing, I have someone here on YT who has paid a deposit for a necklace. If she changes her mind, I will refund her money. Why lose potential business or friends b/c of money? Not me! Bad news spreads faster than good!

To the OP, I say if 1/2 your deposit is okay with you, then go for it. If not, then go fight for your money. JMHO.

candybaby 08-18-2008 12:53 PM
Please ladies don't argue I asked for opinions and I'm getting them from both sides which I'm VERY greatful for :). I'm trying to talk with this breeder but she is not returning my emails now and I have not been rude to her in any way..

Also I let her know yesterday I was unable to get the puppy and she is not even advertising the puppy to even try and find it a home. I guess I should be patient and maybe she will put her back up for sale, idk. All I know is I don't want this to end on a negative note..

candybaby 08-18-2008 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT (Post 2188810)
I just feel this poor breeder has been very unappreciated.
It was not due to her not being able to keep her end of the agreement.
It was you that could not keep your side of the agreement.
You asked her for a partial refund and she offered that but after the puppy was sold.
Seems to me after you placing that pup on hold for you so he/she was no longer available for sale that you should sit back and wait for that pup to be sold. And I find the paypal thing a very tacky and rude way to deal with this.
JMHO


Deana
Prestigeous

I understand what you are saying completly! but she only held the puppy for me for 3-4 days not that long at all, and she was advertising it for weeks prior so its not like she lost out on anything. Now how long do I have to wait for the partial refund is what I'm worried about, another 3-4 weeks or longer it doesn't make sense to me. Now I would understand if I took the puppy in my possesion "paid in full" or if she was holding it for me for a week or two but she wasn't.

But thanks for your advise from a dog breeders point of view :)

candybaby 08-18-2008 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 2188657)
Look, here's what you should do. Speak to the breeder and tell her you had no contract and that you'd like all your money back considering your job situation. If she says no, say sorry, but I'm going to have to file a claim with Paypal or my credit card. The fangs may come out, but you have to do what you feel is right. Being out a perfect job AND $300 is not good!
THANK YOU so much for all your advise :):):)

JaLaYorkieGirl 08-18-2008 01:06 PM
I have a question...

If refunds were meant to be refunded whenever someone changed their mind then why ask for a refund in the first place?

BabyFidgette 08-18-2008 01:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 2188911)
THANK YOU so much for all your advise :):):)
You're welcome. It seems my opinion is not the norm around here. I'm not a breeder, so our opinions will differ. BUT...I am a seller, and already expressed my opinions on that. I don't think there is a right or wrong thing to do. It has to do with your morals and opinions and that of the seller. Whatever you decide, good luck!

latinaspark 08-18-2008 01:13 PM
I think Jala meant if DEPOSITS were meant to be fefunded, why ask for a deposit in the first place. I totally agree with that. What's the point of a deposit then?

BabyFidgette 08-18-2008 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by latinaspark (Post 2188936)
I think Jala meant if DEPOSITS were meant to be fefunded, why ask for a deposit in the first place. I totally agree with that. What's the point of a deposit then?
There are two types of deposits...refundable and non-refundable. Why does "everyone" think a deposit is meant to not be given back? As stated...there is NO contract. And the money amount shouldn't matter.

Now tell me this...if you put thousands of dollars on say a car, and you changed your mind and there was a contract that stated you get your money back, would you take it back? Or would you say, "Hey, that's what deposits are for. You can keep my $3000." NO! Now say there wasn't a contract, would you fight for your $3000? I would.

There is NO reason why a deposit shouldn't be given back without a contract. As Pat said, it's easy to place Yorkies. What's the big deal? Please, someone tell me the benefit of keeping a deposit, other than having some money and the same dog to sell.

Woogie Man 08-18-2008 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 2188822)
But, of course, you're a breeder and will side with them. Why would I think anything different?
Really, now, is all that called for? Breeders are not some single minded group that all think and act alike. While I would probably do as Yorkierose suggested and refund the money, not every breeder would. Seems like, in this case, the buyer is okay with the 50% refund, she just wants it sooner than the breeder is offering it. This dispute hardly rises to the level of getting 'your fangs out' but because some people would is why I would refund the money. It's just not worth the bother because some people will just make a mountain out of a mole hill. Not saying the OP is such a person; she just asked the question. Even though something should have been spelled out in regards to the deposit, I think most people understand that deposits on dogs are generally non-refundable. A contract could save this breeder a lot of potential aggravation.


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