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myjordash · 08-08-2005, 06:35 AM

I have posted here in the past. I am not sure if any of you remember, but I had bought a Yorkie Puppy from a BAD BREEDER! She sold me a Yorkie puppy that was sick with Giardia, and the puppy ended up dying in the hands of her Vet within the first week. I took the Breeder to Small Claims Court and won, but she still hasn't paid me, so we are going to go back to court.

Now here is my new problem...

I since have bought two beautiful Yorkies from 2 different breeders. One Female and One Male. I did not have them fixed, because I wanted the option to some day breed when my house hold was a little more calm. The Female lives with my Mom in Separate In Law Quarters, and the Male lives with me and my cat and 2 other dogs. My parents went away for 2 weeks and I had the female periodically at my house playing with my Yorkie and the other dogs. Well, she was in Heat, apparently and I didn't know. She never bled or had any visible signs that I saw that she was in Heat. Is there any way to know for sure when they are in Heat??? When my parents came home from their trip, they commented on how big and heavy she looked/felt and that if they didn't know better they would think that she was pregnant. We laughed it off, and thought she was just eating better with them gone. Then her my Mom commented on how when rubbing her belly, her nipples seemed to be sticking up. Again we didn't give it much thought. Then on Saturday, we had all the dogs outside in the yard playing. When I called them inside after about 30 minutes, the Yorkies didn't come back. I went out to look for them, and they were "STUCK" together. I had never seen anything like that. They were butt to butt, and stuck. Since I had never seen it done that way, I had no clue what they were doing, or what was wrong. I tried to pick them up and separate them, but when the male wimpered I put them down, and called the Vet. He told me what they were doing and to leave them alone. He said "Congratulations, you are going to have puppies!" I have very mixed emotions. I am very happy, excited, anxious, nervous, stressed, and SCARED!!! The timing couldn't be worse as I am 7 months pregnant, and I would have loved to really be able to be involved with the babies and not be pre-occupied with my baby, and vice versa. It is stressful enough to have a baby and to have puppies, but all at the same time is VERY CRAZY!!! I feel horrible that I didn't know that she was in Heat, but on the other hand, I have always wanted to breed and have puppies.

Can anyone PLEASE give me any and all advice that you can think of? I already bought a book and have downloaded information from websites. I am planning to have a Mobile Vet on call. What else do I need, or can you recommend a good book or website with information on what I am going to need. Any advice at all is very much appreciated!!! I just want to be prepared, and since I really don't know when she got pregnant, I don't know when to expect the puppies. I am not sure if she got pregnant when my parents were away 3 weeks ago, or if it happened on Saturday. Do you think with my parents commenting on her nipples and how heavy she felt, that she got pg while they were out of town? Are those all signs of being pg?

Also I want to say, that the female is about 6.5 lbs, and the male is about 4.5 lbs, so I think they are a good size to be breeding together. I am happy that the female is bigger so it maybe easier for her to deliver the puppies.

Thanks Again!

Audrey

YorkieRose · 08-08-2005, 07:58 AM

If you do not want pups, have her spayed now! If you want to go through with the litter I would mark day the first date, three weeks ago..and Saturday.Talk with your vet about an ultra sound..feed her properly and prepare for puppies in either 6 or 9 weeks..good luck

Lyz517 · 08-08-2005, 08:37 AM

http://www.petbitsforyou.com/ http://members.cox.net/jrogan/puppybirth.html GOODLUCK!

njgiger · 08-09-2005, 12:07 PM

Once the pups arrive safely, the mother takes all the care of them. Your role is just to keep a watchful eye on the mother and the pups, keeping plenty of puppy dog food and water for the mother. she needs plenty of water to keep hydrated and to make enough milk. Through experience I learned to take the collar off the mother just before of immediately after she whelps (sometimes the pups get caught in her collar and can strangle). Also do not keep the water dish in her bed because the pups can get into it and drown - the water dish should be tall enough that the tiny pups can't crawl into it and be kept outside of the box housing the pups.

The main work comes for you after the pups are about 5 weeks until they go to their new homes.

Thanks,

njgiger

myjordash · 08-09-2005, 02:50 PM

Thank you soooo much for the information. That gives me a bit of relief to know the Mother should know what to do. I am going to try and have a Vet on call for an emergency, but I was really hoping that the dog would know for the most part her role. Since it is her first time, i guess there is know way to know for sure, but thaks for the post and information.

myjordash · 08-09-2005, 02:54 PM

Thank you for the information. Just a question, do you always do everything in the second sites website? Do you pull the puppies with each contraction, use dental floss to wrap before you cut the cord, sling the puppies to get fluid out of the lungs, etc.? It was very informative and I printed it out to get all the supplies she suggests, but it did make me a bit nervous to see that she pretty much does it all and leaves nothing up to the Mommy Dog. I called a couple of people last night after reading all the info, and they said that they have never done all that, the dog will know what do do. What has been your experience?

Audrey

myjordash · 08-09-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

If you do not want pups, have her spayed now! If you want to go through with the litter I would mark day the first date, three weeks ago..and Saturday.Talk with your vet about an ultra sound..feed her properly and prepare for puppies in either 6 or 9 weeks..good luck

Thank you for the date information. YES, I definitely want to go ahead with the Litter. I have always wanted to have a litter of puppies, and it is a VERY exciting time. I am sorry if it didn't come across that way in my original message. I just wish the timing could have been better, with me being pg at the same time and almost due, but I would never do anything to hurt the puppies or the litter. I am planning on giving it my all, and with the help of my parents who live here with me, and my DH, I am sure the puppies and my new baby will all get the attention they need and deserve.

Thanks,

Audrey

lily · 08-09-2005, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

If you do not want pups, have her spayed now! If you want to go through with the litter I would mark day the first date, three weeks ago..and Saturday.Talk with your vet about an ultra sound..feed her properly and prepare for puppies in either 6 or 9 weeks..good luck

I'm with her Good Luck! lily

girltime · 08-09-2005, 04:35 PM

Congrats on your court case...Double contrats on the pregos..:-)

You will do just fine and it sounds like with the research your doing and having a vet on call things be OK.

You have a great network of support here for you.

myjordash · 08-09-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by girltime

Congrats on your court case...Double contrats on the pregos..:-)

You will do just fine and it sounds like with the research your doing and having a vet on call things be OK.

You have a great network of support here for you.

Thank you. I just contacted a breeder from AKC (I believe) that I spoke to when I was looking for a puppy. She was great help then when I was looking for a GOOD Breeder, and I am asking her for advice as well. I guess I am just very nervous and trying to make sure that I have everything I need and know all I need to know. I am going to hit the library tomorrow and see if there are any additional books other than what I have already bought. I really just want the mom and pups to be healthy, and that is it! I have no other expectations for this litter. So if you think there is something that I should know in advance, feel free to share.

Thanks,

Audrey

Marie · 08-09-2005, 05:16 PM

If you want to know if your female is pregnant for sure, I think a sonogram is in order. Good luck in your pregnancy and for the possible future puppies. Please keep us posted.

babi1542 · 08-09-2005, 06:08 PM

Congratulations to both you and your baby girl!

myjordash · 08-10-2005, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by babi1542

Congratulations to both you and your baby girl!

Thank you. Where in Miami are you?

PrairieGirl · 08-10-2005, 02:48 PM

YES, you do need to have all things on hand to do anything mom can't do.
Was this your mother's first heat? That is often missed because they sometimes do not bleed enough for you to even see it. The next heat is usually "regular" and you will know it right away. Remember the rule of thumb is 7 days coming in, 7 days of bleeding, 7 days going out. She is ready to breed as soon as the bleeding stops.

Our 3 year old Yorkie just had 3 new babies last night. She was in light labor several hours but did not progress. Finally "feathered" the top of the vulva with a gloved and jellied finger to stimulate hard labor. First baby arrived within 15 minutes.

I had to tie two of the three cords (with dental floss). They all breathed on their own but sometimes don't. One especially tiny male (3 oz) I am having to feed every two hours. He was very weak, couldn't suckle, and crawled anywhere but toward his mom. She separated him out and he got very cold. (They do practice survival of the fittest) FYI he is stronger tonight than he was this morning - hope he is able to suckle mom soon and survives! The other two are already thriving.

With one I had to grab the placenta and tug gently several times to get it to come out. One came out with the puppy (like they are supposed to). One was retained and called for a trip to the vet for a shot early this morning.

We hope to NOT have to tube feed, right now he is sucking the milk replacer from an eye dropper - about 1/4 teaspoon every two hours.
It is fun, frustrating, rewarding, exhausting and wonderful! My mom is only 5# - yours may do better because of her size.
Good luck,
Jeanne

Marie · 08-10-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrairieGirl

YES, you do need to have all things on hand to do anything mom can't do.
Was this your mother's first heat? That is often missed because they sometimes do not bleed enough for you to even see it. The next heat is usually "regular" and you will know it right away. Remember the rule of thumb is 7 days coming in, 7 days of bleeding, 7 days going out. She is ready to breed as soon as the bleeding stops.

Our 3 year old Yorkie just had 3 new babies last night. She was in light labor several hours but did not progress. Finally "feathered" the top of the vulva with a gloved and jellied finger to stimulate hard labor. First baby arrived within 15 minutes.

I had to tie two of the three cords (with dental floss). They all breathed on their own but sometimes don't. One especially tiny male (3 oz) I am having to feed every two hours. He was very weak, couldn't suckle, and crawled anywhere but toward his mom. She separated him out and he got very cold. (They do practice survival of the fittest) FYI he is stronger tonight than he was this morning - hope he is able to suckle mom soon and survives! The other two are already thriving.

With one I had to grab the placenta and tug gently several times to get it to come out. One came out with the puppy (like they are supposed to). One was retained and called for a trip to the vet for a shot early this morning.

We hope to NOT have to tube feed, right now he is sucking the milk replacer from an eye dropper - about 1/4 teaspoon every two hours.
It is fun, frustrating, rewarding, exhausting and wonderful! My mom is only 5# - yours may do better because of her size.
Good luck,
Jeanne

Jeanne,
I wanted to congratulate you for the new puppies. I hope all of them pull thru. Please keep us posted. Looking forward to see pics of the babies and mami when you can.

08-08-2005, 06:35 AM	#1
myjordash YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 288	I need help... I have posted here in the past. I am not sure if any of you remember, but I had bought a Yorkie Puppy from a BAD BREEDER! She sold me a Yorkie puppy that was sick with Giardia, and the puppy ended up dying in the hands of her Vet within the first week. I took the Breeder to Small Claims Court and won, but she still hasn't paid me, so we are going to go back to court. Now here is my new problem... I since have bought two beautiful Yorkies from 2 different breeders. One Female and One Male. I did not have them fixed, because I wanted the option to some day breed when my house hold was a little more calm. The Female lives with my Mom in Separate In Law Quarters, and the Male lives with me and my cat and 2 other dogs. My parents went away for 2 weeks and I had the female periodically at my house playing with my Yorkie and the other dogs. Well, she was in Heat, apparently and I didn't know. She never bled or had any visible signs that I saw that she was in Heat. Is there any way to know for sure when they are in Heat??? When my parents came home from their trip, they commented on how big and heavy she looked/felt and that if they didn't know better they would think that she was pregnant. We laughed it off, and thought she was just eating better with them gone. Then her my Mom commented on how when rubbing her belly, her nipples seemed to be sticking up. Again we didn't give it much thought. Then on Saturday, we had all the dogs outside in the yard playing. When I called them inside after about 30 minutes, the Yorkies didn't come back. I went out to look for them, and they were "STUCK" together. I had never seen anything like that. They were butt to butt, and stuck. Since I had never seen it done that way, I had no clue what they were doing, or what was wrong. I tried to pick them up and separate them, but when the male wimpered I put them down, and called the Vet. He told me what they were doing and to leave them alone. He said "Congratulations, you are going to have puppies!" I have very mixed emotions. I am very happy, excited, anxious, nervous, stressed, and SCARED!!! The timing couldn't be worse as I am 7 months pregnant, and I would have loved to really be able to be involved with the babies and not be pre-occupied with my baby, and vice versa. It is stressful enough to have a baby and to have puppies, but all at the same time is VERY CRAZY!!! I feel horrible that I didn't know that she was in Heat, but on the other hand, I have always wanted to breed and have puppies. Can anyone PLEASE give me any and all advice that you can think of? I already bought a book and have downloaded information from websites. I am planning to have a Mobile Vet on call. What else do I need, or can you recommend a good book or website with information on what I am going to need. Any advice at all is very much appreciated!!! I just want to be prepared, and since I really don't know when she got pregnant, I don't know when to expect the puppies. I am not sure if she got pregnant when my parents were away 3 weeks ago, or if it happened on Saturday. Do you think with my parents commenting on her nipples and how heavy she felt, that she got pg while they were out of town? Are those all signs of being pg? Also I want to say, that the female is about 6.5 lbs, and the male is about 4.5 lbs, so I think they are a good size to be breeding together. I am happy that the female is bigger so it maybe easier for her to deliver the puppies. Thanks Again! Audrey

08-09-2005, 12:07 PM	#4
njgiger YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: pacific Posts: 6	I need help Once the pups arrive safely, the mother takes all the care of them. Your role is just to keep a watchful eye on the mother and the pups, keeping plenty of puppy dog food and water for the mother. she needs plenty of water to keep hydrated and to make enough milk. Through experience I learned to take the collar off the mother just before of immediately after she whelps (sometimes the pups get caught in her collar and can strangle). Also do not keep the water dish in her bed because the pups can get into it and drown - the water dish should be tall enough that the tiny pups can't crawl into it and be kept outside of the box housing the pups. The main work comes for you after the pups are about 5 weeks until they go to their new homes. Thanks, njgiger

08-09-2005, 05:16 PM	#11
Marie Mom loves Gucci Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 6,427	If you want to know if your female is pregnant for sure, I think a sonogram is in order. Good luck in your pregnancy and for the possible future puppies. Please keep us posted. __________________ Huggies, Gucci and Marie http://www.dogster.com/?132187 "I have been egged"

08-09-2005, 06:08 PM	#12
babi1542 Double Trouble Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 4,658	Congratulations to both you and your baby girl! __________________ PEBBLES AND SASHA MY DOGS ARE NOT SPOILED...I'M JUST WELL TRAINED!

08-10-2005, 02:48 PM	#14
PrairieGirl Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 72	Yorkies and whelping YES, you do need to have all things on hand to do anything mom can't do. Was this your mother's first heat? That is often missed because they sometimes do not bleed enough for you to even see it. The next heat is usually "regular" and you will know it right away. Remember the rule of thumb is 7 days coming in, 7 days of bleeding, 7 days going out. She is ready to breed as soon as the bleeding stops. Our 3 year old Yorkie just had 3 new babies last night. She was in light labor several hours but did not progress. Finally "feathered" the top of the vulva with a gloved and jellied finger to stimulate hard labor. First baby arrived within 15 minutes. I had to tie two of the three cords (with dental floss). They all breathed on their own but sometimes don't. One especially tiny male (3 oz) I am having to feed every two hours. He was very weak, couldn't suckle, and crawled anywhere but toward his mom. She separated him out and he got very cold. (They do practice survival of the fittest) FYI he is stronger tonight than he was this morning - hope he is able to suckle mom soon and survives! The other two are already thriving. With one I had to grab the placenta and tug gently several times to get it to come out. One came out with the puppy (like they are supposed to). One was retained and called for a trip to the vet for a shot early this morning. We hope to NOT have to tube feed, right now he is sucking the milk replacer from an eye dropper - about 1/4 teaspoon every two hours. It is fun, frustrating, rewarding, exhausting and wonderful! My mom is only 5# - yours may do better because of her size. Good luck, Jeanne Last edited by PrairieGirl; 08-10-2005 at 02:51 PM. Reason: corrections

08-08-2005, 07:58 AM	#2
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	If you do not want pups, have her spayed now! If you want to go through with the litter I would mark day the first date, three weeks ago..and Saturday.Talk with your vet about an ultra sound..feed her properly and prepare for puppies in either 6 or 9 weeks..good luck

08-08-2005, 08:37 AM	#3
Lyz517 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 225	http://www.petbitsforyou.com/ http://members.cox.net/jrogan/puppybirth.html GOODLUCK!

08-09-2005, 02:50 PM	#5
myjordash YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 288	Thank you soooo much for the information. That gives me a bit of relief to know the Mother should know what to do. I am going to try and have a Vet on call for an emergency, but I was really hoping that the dog would know for the most part her role. Since it is her first time, i guess there is know way to know for sure, but thaks for the post and information.

08-09-2005, 02:54 PM	#6
myjordash YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 288	Thank you for the information. Just a question, do you always do everything in the second sites website? Do you pull the puppies with each contraction, use dental floss to wrap before you cut the cord, sling the puppies to get fluid out of the lungs, etc.? It was very informative and I printed it out to get all the supplies she suggests, but it did make me a bit nervous to see that she pretty much does it all and leaves nothing up to the Mommy Dog. I called a couple of people last night after reading all the info, and they said that they have never done all that, the dog will know what do do. What has been your experience? Audrey

08-09-2005, 04:35 PM	#9
girltime Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 127	Congrats on your court case...Double contrats on the pregos..:-) You will do just fine and it sounds like with the research your doing and having a vet on call things be OK. You have a great network of support here for you.