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TeddyandTiffy 05-30-2008 05:21 AM
Short or Long Bodied Brood Bitches
 
Breeders I have Sage she is a longer bodied Brood Bitch and then we have Sofie and Weezie who is short bodied Brood Bitches. Which in each of you Breeders OPO think is better for Whelping Yorkie Puppies Longer or Shorter Brood Bitches.

Tiffanie was a longer bodied Brood Bitch and didn't have any whelping problems what so ever.

What qualities do you look for when choosing a Brood Bitch to Breed for Show Quality?

Sage will be bred next Spring, Weezie and Sofie is still on the waiting list as we have NO other males to breed them too & still learning if they are of a good quality Brood Bitch to use in our Breeding Program. Just wanting to learn more on this subject. Thanks ahead for any wisdom you can give on this. :) Lee

Sugar's Mom 05-30-2008 05:57 AM
lee all I can tell you is my own eperience. Everyone I know says that long bodied bitches are better . I have had one long body and two very short compact bitches.
y experience is this. The long bodied one had only two babies and each one of the short squatty ones had two litterss each for me and each time had five babies and free whelped until the last time. They had two litters of five each before i bought them so they didn't have any problems at all until their last breeding before retirement. My long bodied bitch had to have a section and one of her two puppies was dead. Now, after saying that, I have a long bodied young bitch bred right now and due in a few days. Her first time. She is only having two babies. so for what it's worth, I just don't see that it matters altho everyone says go with the longer brood bitches.

bjh 05-30-2008 06:52 AM
I would have to agree with Dee that is probably does not make too much difference. You can have whelping problems with either. I feel that the problem with short bodied bitches is that if they are carrying a large litter then I would be much more concerned with over crowding in the womb and a ruptured uterus. I have noticed in the show ring that many of the bitches are slightly longer in body. Of course in breeding you want to achieve balance so in selecting a mate for a longer bodied bitch you would want to go with a male that is more balanced.

JaLaYorkieGirl 05-30-2008 07:48 AM
I do not think the length has anything to do with how well they will whelp. I have known several people who have thought long meant they could carry more puppies. I do not think their body length has anything to do with the number of eggs they ovulate.

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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 2020244)


What qualities do you look for when choosing a Brood Bitch to Breed for Show Quality?
If I want to produce show quality puppies then I am going to look for a female and a male that are either show quality or VERY close. Breeding dogs that are longer than they should be will only cause that to continue in the line, especially if it is used consistently. If you have one girl that you think is very nice, but is a little long in body/short in leg...then you may be able to breed that out. In yorkies I prefer a compact dog, shorter backs and nice length of leg to allow for coat growth and elegant movement.

JaLaYorkieGirl 05-30-2008 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2020403)
I feel that the problem with short bodied bitches is that if they are carrying a large litter then I would be much more concerned with over crowding in the womb and a ruptured uterus.
I agree. I think if they are too compact while being a smaller dog then you also risk them not being able to carry a larger litter to full term, as they run out of space. If the dog has a good spring of ribs though I do not think this is as much of a problem. The females that are compact and narrow I think would have more difficulty.

YorkieRose 05-31-2008 04:03 AM
body
 
Neither long or short...I, perfer square.

TeddyandTiffy 06-01-2008 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2021938)
Neither long or short...I, perfer square.
Thanks for your answer but could you please explain in more detail what you mean by Square. Is this the body shape? Or ??? Sorry if I seem so dumb but I'm learning. Thanks so much in advance, :) Lee

kelkiss5 06-02-2008 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 2024818)
Thanks for your answer but could you please explain in more detail what you mean by Square. Is this the body shape? Or ??? Sorry if I seem so dumb but I'm learning. Thanks so much in advance, :) Lee
I think what Yorkierose is saying that the standard for a yorkie shape is square:D:DNow I just said I think. :rolleyes::thumbup:

YorkieRose 06-02-2008 01:49 AM
body
 
Exactly....I do not want a body that is too long, nor too short..but square. When you look at the bitch, her outline forms a square from shoulders to hump and down the leg...she is as long as she is tall...

I avoid a body that is long with shorter legs...they produce rather odd looking puppies.

TeddyandTiffy 06-02-2008 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 2020295)
lee all I can tell you is my own eperience. Everyone I know says that long bodied bitches are better . I have had one long body and two very short compact bitches.
y experience is this. The long bodied one had only two babies and each one of the short squatty ones had two litterss each for me and each time had five babies and free whelped until the last time. They had two litters of five each before i bought them so they didn't have any problems at all until their last breeding before retirement. My long bodied bitch had to have a section and one of her two puppies was dead. Now, after saying that, I have a long bodied young bitch bred right now and due in a few days. Her first time. She is only having two babies. so for what it's worth, I just don't see that it matters altho everyone says go with the longer brood bitches.
Thanks for your answers I'm starting to understand a little more :) Lee

TeddyandTiffy 06-02-2008 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2020403)
I would have to agree with Dee that is probably does not make too much difference. You can have whelping problems with either. I feel that the problem with short bodied bitches is that if they are carrying a large litter then I would be much more concerned with over crowding in the womb and a ruptured uterus. I have noticed in the show ring that many of the bitches are slightly longer in body. Of course in breeding you want to achieve balance so in selecting a mate for a longer bodied bitch you would want to go with a male that is more balanced.
Thanks so much Barbara I would be concerned with a short bodied too as I don't think my Weezie or sofie could ever carry the 6 puppies her mother did. As far as the balance then I hopefully have that male with the balance for Sage??? Still learning tho Hugs :) Lee

TeddyandTiffy 06-02-2008 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl (Post 2020494)
I agree. I think if they are too compact while being a smaller dog then you also risk them not being able to carry a larger litter to full term, as they run out of space. If the dog has a good spring of ribs though I do not think this is as much of a problem. The females that are compact and narrow I think would have more difficulty.
Jackie see I would be concerned then for Sofie and Weezie, as they both run on the smaller compact size. This is good I'm trying to learn more about this for their sakes...I have no male to breed them with so they won't be bred yet if ever until I learn more on this subject.

Can I ask you what you mean by "Spring of Ribs" mean? How can you tell this on your Bitch? Thanks for you help in learning. Hugs :) Lee

TeddyandTiffy 06-02-2008 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kelkiss5 (Post 2025132)
I think what Yorkierose is saying that the standard for a yorkie shape is square:D:DNow I just said I think. :rolleyes::thumbup:
Thank you for your reply...Now I'm trying to learn what "Square" means in a Yorkie :) Lee

TeddyandTiffy 06-02-2008 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 2025147)
Exactly....I do not want a body that is too long, nor too short..but square. When you look at the bitch, her outline forms a square from shoulders to hump and down the leg...she is as long as she is tall...

I avoid a body that is long with shorter legs...they produce rather odd looking puppies.
Thanks so much for your Wisdom on this subject. Can I ask you what you mean by "hump" and where it is located on the Yorkie? Thanks so much :) Lee

txshopper73 06-02-2008 04:08 AM
I choose bitches that more fit the standard. I know of a woman that uses both long bodied and short body bitches. Sometime her pups grow up to look more like weiner dogs with long hair. I prefer the shorter, more compact look. Also, neither dogs have had problems whelping.


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