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Old 05-21-2008, 05:18 PM   #16
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I have to say, your breeder has some beautiful dogs. Which of them are the sire and dam of yours?
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:36 PM   #17
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Hi Ya'll. Im from Central NY, Around the Utica/Albany area. I have a year old Male yorkie that weighs between 7-8 pounds. Both the Dam and Sire of my boy weighed not even 5 pounds, and My boy is a little large, but hey that happens. He will be turning a Year on June 9th, and Im really debating rather or not I should use him as a stud, and how i go about doing that? Does anyone know of some good advertising on the net that will allow me to advertise him as a stud. I have had him tested for everythign just to make sure he would be a good stud, and the vet said he would be perfect. Being that most of his relatives are small, then i really dont have much to worry about him producing larger dogs. Well the more information I have the better it is, so im willing to learn and take advice from anyone and everyone..

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I'm sure you have a very nice boy and that you love him very much. He's not breeding age yet so you have a few months to evaluate him while you wait. Why not attend a few shows in your area and see how he compares to the males that are being shown? While your vets opinion of good health is important, it's not sufficient. Your male should be evaluated by someone who has a well refined understanding of structure, movement, and the breed standard. With all due respect this evaluation should be completely independent, your breeder will have a hard time being impartial. I know I would with one of my own.

In the meantime you might consider that each fertile male is capable of producing hundreds of puppies. It just stands to reason that those who best represent the breed would be the best stud dog candidates. Specifically those that have been bred in such a way as to concentrate favorable dominant genetic traits, which can be reliably passed on to their litters and offer an improvement to a given breeding program.

I haven't seen your dog and wouldn't presume to pass judgement on him if I had. Having said that, there is no shortage of males out there that someone who wants to breed a pet can use, often at no charge.
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I think a more appropriate question at this time might be "should my dog be used for breeding" rather than thinking about studding him out just yet. It's one thing to use your dog for breeding and quite another if others would want him as a stud. You may be confident in his lines and what he is apt to throw in the way of puppies but would strangers be so confident? At his age, he is mostly grown but will probably gain a bit more in size (weight). At 'somewhere between 7 and 8 pounds' you may well wind up with a 9 pounder. He is also, at this point, an unproven stud. Would it not be better to breed him to your own female first (not clear from your post if you have one) and see what he produces before offering him up as a stud. You can then see what he may produce and would be able to better answer the inevitable questions from dam owners that may be considering him. My guess is that most would pass on him due to his size even though he may be of excellent quality. Seems like most would consider his size a risk to their dams.
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Correct me if I'm wrong.... and I don't know her personally, but I doubt very much that Natalie would sell one of her dogs to be used for stud to a puppymill....


I don't think that anyone who sells a pup can be sure what is going to happen to their dog..A puppy miller is not concerned about papers because they can give you ones from a different puppy..I would hope that she was able to see the new breeders home before she sold the puppy but most of the people that sell their puppies sell them to the first one who makes a deposit. Isn't breeding multiple breeds what everyone on here gets heated about and calls a puppy mill?
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Hi Ya'll. Im from Central NY, Around the Utica/Albany area. I have a year old Male yorkie that weighs between 7-8 pounds. Both the Dam and Sire of my boy weighed not even 5 pounds, and My boy is a little large, but hey that happens. He will be turning a Year on June 9th, and Im really debating rather or not I should use him as a stud, and how i go about doing that? Does anyone know of some good advertising on the net that will allow me to advertise him as a stud. I have had him tested for everythign just to make sure he would be a good stud, and the vet said he would be perfect. Being that most of his relatives are small, then i really dont have much to worry about him producing larger dogs. Well the more information I have the better it is, so im willing to learn and take advice from anyone and everyone..

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Hey there.

Well, you had him tested....check.
He has good blood lines....check.
His vet has ok'd him......check.
His coat is good....check.
His weight is fine....check.
You are doing homework......check!

Looks like you have done a great job in the beginning stages of breeding! Who could ask for anything more. I'd say go for it if someone out there wants him as a stud...he sounds great!

I'm no breeder though but from what I have read on this site you have done research and testing and are knowledgable in the lines of your dog.....perfect job! Good luck!
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Beside the excellent replies you have received already, the one consideration I thought of is the problem of his size. Here's the thing...these little dogs have more health risks delivering pups, right? Ideally, I have heard it to be wise to breed a smaller male witht the bitch to increase the chances of smaller pups (not adult wt, but pups), so she will hopefully have an easier time delivering.

This is what concerns me about studding your boy out (besides the "business" of it). I have always thought it was best to breed males on the smaller side to make it easier on the bitch. I'd hate to see the breeding female have to deliver larger pups because of the male's size.

This breeding stuff is worrysome! Geeze!
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I don't think that anyone who sells a pup can be sure what is going to happen to their dog..A puppy miller is not concerned about papers because they can give you ones from a different puppy..I would hope that she was able to see the new breeders home before she sold the puppy but most of the people that sell their puppies sell them to the first one who makes a deposit. Isn't breeding multiple breeds what everyone on here gets heated about and calls a puppy mill?
While I personally, wouldn't call a breeder who raises more than one breed a "puppy mill".... some may....

I think if you feel comfortable and are passionate about more than one breed... you have educated yourself on ALL aspects of each... and are able to properly provide and care for ALL of your animlas... then raising a few different breeds might be right for you....

It's not not number of breeds that makes a puppy mill... it's the ill conditions, number of animals produced, lack of care the animals receive, that makes them such.

As for "not being concerned with papers" - and Natalie's pup in particular... I just can't see this breeder posting this boy on her web, singing his praises, sharing the name of his breeder, (and likely offering his viewable pedigree - I didn't notice) - and having ANY ill intentions...... JMO
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I would like to thank everyone for such great responces. First off the person that said that breeding more then one kind of dogs is considered a puppy mill, I dont agree with that at all. Like I said, I know my breeder personally, and all of her dogs are seperate, either up stairs where the yorkies are kept of in the seperate room, or down stairs in the furnished basement. Each one of her dogs are hand trained and raised. All raised with love and care, and she takes very good care of her babies, rather or not she does raise more then one kind.

To answer another question, My boys father is Natalie Obviouse Intentions, and My female is Patience.

I have done my homework, and I honestly think my boy would be great, if I found a larger female. i would think about breeding him to a 2-4 pound female though as i do know the risks that are involved.

Im alson considering cross breeding with a poodle, which i have fully discussed with my breeder, and she doesn't have a problem, as she has also done that a couple times.
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I would like to thank everyone for such great responces. First off the person that said that breeding more then one kind of dogs is considered a puppy mill, I dont agree with that at all. Like I said, I know my breeder personally, and all of her dogs are seperate, either up stairs where the yorkies are kept of in the seperate room, or down stairs in the furnished basement. Each one of her dogs are hand trained and raised. All raised with love and care, and she takes very good care of her babies, rather or not she does raise more then one kind.

To answer another question, My boys father is Natalie Obviouse Intentions, and My female is Patience.

I have done my homework, and I honestly think my boy would be great, if I found a larger female. i would think about breeding him to a 2-4 pound female though as i do know the risks that are involved.

Im alson considering cross breeding with a poodle, which i have fully discussed with my breeder, and she doesn't have a problem, as she has also done that a couple times.
Two to four pound females NEVER should be bred, especially by a large, over standard male.(unless, of course, you dont care if the female dies) I think you need to study a little more on this but I think you already have your mind made up.
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I would hope that you think long and hard about what you are doing. Please, never breed him to a tiny female. Someone recently nearly lost their 3 1/2 lb female because she bred her to a 6 or 7 lb dog. The momma lost her puppies and she may loose her life. I would highly discourage you from breeding to a poodle or any other breed except a Yorkie.
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sorry to everyone, I know in my last thread it said, I would think about breeding to a 2-4 pound female. Typo error, I wouldn't think about doing that As i know that there are risk involved?
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sorry to everyone, I know in my last thread it said, I would think about breeding to a 2-4 pound female. Typo error, I wouldn't think about doing that As i know that there are risk involved?
That is good to know....you really had us scared for a moment.
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Im sorry about that thread before. Im looking for a larger female that could handle being bred to a larger male. One question that I do have is and its kinda off the topic of breeding is,My boy max is in crate for periods of the day and mostly at night, My main concern is that he is constantly going to the bathroom in his cage. I finally took his bed out of it and burnt that, because he would go right in his bed, now he is just going inthe cage in laying in it, and have to bath him every day because of this?. What do u think the reason behind this is. I do have two other dogs that are mixed breed, larger dogs and females that run freely, is it that he is mad, or what do u think it could be.. Another question is, My other dog is in heat, and Max doesn't want nothing to do with her? Is that a sign that he won't be interested in breeding?
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Unneutered males like to mark a lot. If you start using him for breeding he will start marking even more. How long are you leaving him crated. Most dogs once they are house trained can hold their pee for 8 hours but some can't. Personally, I do not believe in crating unless it is done for short periods but that is just my opinion. I prefer using a exercise pen if they have to be confined. Some males are just not interested in breeding and some are overly anxious. I can't say if your male has a problem or not. If the female that is in heat is more dominant than him, then he might just be intimidated by her. I have knowledge of some males that just never were interested in breeding much to the dismay of their owners, you might have one of those types. Your male is still young so most likely he is just not ready. I don't know what other kind of mixed breed dogs you have but be very careful because when females come in heat they sometimes get very aggressive and moody. I would hate to see your boy hurt.
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Im sorry about that thread before. Im looking for a larger female that could handle being bred to a larger male. One question that I do have is and its kinda off the topic of breeding is,My boy max is in crate for periods of the day and mostly at night, My main concern is that he is constantly going to the bathroom in his cage. I finally took his bed out of it and burnt that, because he would go right in his bed, now he is just going inthe cage in laying in it, and have to bath him every day because of this?. What do u think the reason behind this is. I do have two other dogs that are mixed breed, larger dogs and females that run freely, is it that he is mad, or what do u think it could be.. Another question is, My other dog is in heat, and Max doesn't want nothing to do with her? Is that a sign that he won't be interested in breeding?
My male Rocky has bred to my female and as soon as he bred, Rocky started marking everywhere!

I finally made some wee wee wraps to put on him, I was at my wits end! This has really helped with the accidents.

Have you thought about a ex-pen? This way it's big enough to put a pee pad in.
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