California Wild's Kennel - Argentina???

[belindaY]

Some people have very unreasonable guarantee demands. It's hateful to come on here and bash a respected breeder just because he won't meet somebody's unreasonable expectations. I don't sell to breeders at all, ever, never will and this thread represents one of the reasons why.

[ocmommyof2]

Just wanted to say that I had never heard of California Wild, and a few weeks ago, I got Delilah's AKC papers and noticed a couple dogs in her pedigree that have the name "California Wild" in them. Delilah is a beautiful dog, and am proud that she is an offspring to one of the California Wild Yorkies.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by belindaY

Some people have very unreasonable guarantee demands. It's hateful to come on here and bash a respected breeder just because he won't meet somebody's unreasonable expectations. I don't sell to breeders at all, ever, never will and this thread represents one of the reasons why.

That may be true but not very many pet owners are gonna buy a dog for 7k. I know if i was paying that and no matter if I were a pet owner or a breeder I would want an impecable health quarantee. If LP was something they wouldnt quarantee against I wouldnt buy

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by chachi

That may be true but not very many pet owners are gonna buy a dog for 7k. I know if i was paying that and no matter if I were a pet owner or a breeder I would want an impecable health quarantee. If LP was something they wouldnt quarantee against I wouldnt buy

Say it Chachi - good post !

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Say it Chachi - good post !

If I paid 7k for a dog it better have a gold A$#hole!!!!!!

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

If I paid 7k for a dog it better have a gold A$#hole!!!!!!

LOL...my sentiments exactly. Is that the going for a showable ch sired pup? Yowza....

[belindaY]

You think $7k is too much for a champion? Please point me to a nicer one for that money and I'll buy it myself.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by belindaY

You think $7k is too much for a champion? Please point me to a nicer one for that money and I'll buy it myself.

I think it depends on the area where you live. I know someone now that has a nice champion for sale for 3,000. I also saw one for 10,000. neither has sold. Also know where a champion sired litter is now with excellant pedigrees on both sides. Males are 1,000.limited. So apparently it must be the region.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by belindaY

You think $7k is too much for a champion? Please point me to a nicer one for that money and I'll buy it myself.

No I dont think thats too much for a champion but I would still expect it to have a full health guarantee. And the breeder should be open to discussions about the guarantee

[Mom2BabyNatalie]

Originally Posted by belindaY

Some people have very unreasonable guarantee demands. It's hateful to come on here and bash a respected breeder just because he won't meet somebody's unreasonable expectations. I don't sell to breeders at all, ever, never will and this thread represents one of the reasons why.

I don't feel as though I have "unreasonable guarantee demands"... but Javier offered me NO guarantee whatsoever... and I'm sorry you feel as though I am "bashing a respected breeder" - which I'm not.... but I've heard countless "stories" now (may be true, may not be.. I can't confirm) - about problems with imports (not just from California Wild's Kennel).

I have not, nor would I, encourage or discourage anyone from purchasing from Javier... he has beautiful animals.... I'm just offering information of my own experience so that anyone interested is able to make an informed decision... that's all.

[topknot]

I do not know this breeder, but

going rate that I have heard for a finished champion is:
10,000 for a good age. You get all health exam before the deal is done to know about the legs, heart, etc... You might get one cheaper if the champion is older.
T.

[peggynitro]

[/B]Hi, I want to apologize for bringing up this thread again but I feel I need to fix some misunderstandings. First off, I just now found this topic as I am not a hard core Yorkie Talk person but I am the person who was mentioned on this site.

I'm not sure where the misunderstandings have come from and I only want to speak on my behalf and not on behalf of anyone else.

I am the person in Iowa that purchased one of the son's of CH California Wild's Lion D'or from Javier Coronel in Argentina. What I wanted to say is that my opinion on Dena's decision not to go thru with her purchase of Lion D'or is that she missed out on a great opportunity. I think it was greatly my fault too (from reading her post below). And this is what I am sorry about.

The information Dena had based her decision on was information (bad information) that I had at that time from a couple of Vets as Dena said. Here is what I have learned (the hard way) since 5/08.

First and foremost, [B][U]Vet's ARE NOT perfect people. In fact, the ones I thought at that time were the "best" near my home, aren't so good at all. In fact, sometimes I feel that I know more about dog basics then them and that is seriously frightening!

Yes, CH Lion D'or's son (my dog from California Wild's Kennel) was said to have laxtating patella but it was very very minor and two "best in my area" Vets had completely different opnions. As Dena said, it can come from the momma's side. But what I'm finding, and even in CH dogs, is that NO DOG is 100% perfect, at all. I've heard of dogs withone testical making it far in the ring before it was discovered, earned points, etc. I've heard of dogs with laxtating patella's making it clear thru the points, becomeing "WORLD" champions, and because of that dogs other outstanding qualities, the patella's weren't an issue. How many Judges has anyone watched on TV, wiggles the knees of the CH's being judged? NONE? And please, I'm not knocking anyone and I'm especially not judging Dena or Javier. I'm just giving my opinions and ideas here. And heck, who am I? Nobody! Please just take everything I say with a grain of sale and just form your own opnions.

About my dog (Tiziano) and the teeth. Here's the real butt kicker. The "Stupid" Vet that told me he had 15 baby teeth that needed to come out. I held off on scheduling that surgery (after I talked to Javier about the 1st opinion) and I immediately sought out a 2nd opinion on the teeth and the knees. As I said about the knees.........the Vet opinions didn't match up. About the teeth, the 2nd Vet counted 12 teeth. MY COUNT was only a few. "AND" I don't know my dogs. I admit that. But, I went ahead and went by these two Vet's opinions. I went back to Vet #1, scheduled the appointment for removal, cleaning, and a floride treatment (I think it was). I recall shelling out like $500 or some such amount. And just last month (2/09), I took him back for his annual cleaning. ***(here is where I get pissed) This same Vet, marks on his chart............"Tiziano" is (freaking) MISSING "10" blasted teeth! What the "heck" happened? I was so tempted to go back there and rip some ...you know what. But I haven't. What I've learned, from this experience and from others (involving English Bulldog pups) is that these Vets really don't know it all, AT ALL! I'm sorry, but it's the truth. I need to add to that by saying that this Vet is a small animal Vet and does mostly dogs and cats. Their clinic is in the city and does only cats and dogs. The 2nd Vet I spoke about, they do horses, cattle, and the likes. So, since that experience........I've started attending conventions and lectures that address dogs specifically and all the issues and problems that relate to dogs. And, I've managed to collect some references from breeders that know their stuff (48 year exp. breeder) and I plan to be much more cautious when it comes to Vet advice. If I get Vet advice that is suspicious (from this day forward), I'll call me 48 yr. exp. breeder before I do anything the Vet tells me. These exp. breeders usually have better advice (IMO).

IN CONCLUSION the newest news regarding my relationship with California Wild's Kennel is this. #1) Javier "DID" offer me my money back on Tiziano (5/08) and I am so grateful that I didn't do it. I am currently in the process of buying another female from Javier and she should be here soon (April 2009). I plan to breed this little gal to Tiziano, Javier has assured me that her legs are good, her teeth are fine, he checked her over very very good because of the things with Tiziano. Javier does not want me to have problems, I believe and trust him, otherwise I wouldn't be buying again from him. Again, my biggest apology to Dena for messing her up on buying Lion and to Javier for accusing him of selling bad dogs. I honestly don't think Javier is doing that at all. And my HUGE explaination (I hope) has explained where I believe all the problems have stemed from.

Thanks for listening to my rambeling.
Peggy in Iowa
peggynitro@aol.com

Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie

After further research into California Wild's Kennels and it's owner Javier - in Argentina... I have to recant my previous opinions...

It would seem that the "Champion" - CH California Wild's Lion D'or - that I had gone under contract to purchase, (7000.00) has produced at LEAST one pup that I am aware of, who is now here in the US - (Belle Plaine Iowa ) - with #2 stage LP (diagnosed by two unrelated veterinarians) and some dental problems as well, leaving him to need to have 15 retained baby teeth removed at 9 months old.

I realize that Yorkies have medical issues, and the retained baby teeth is not so much of a concern to me... but the LP is something I simply cannot risk reproducing.

I have not "dug" further into Lion's other offspring for more information since my interest in him was stifled the moment I received news of the above.

I of course, can't know if the LP comes from the stud I was purchasing or perhaps the mother... but the California Wild bloodlines are of both line and inbreeding... so regardless, the genetics are there.

I am a little concerned as well, that Javier did not share this information with me (of course, I suppose I wouldn't expect him to) - but I do know that he was well aware of the situation with Lion's pup as he has only been in the US a week or so..... and I understand that the new owner has engaged in close contact with Javier since the purchase.

Anyway.... I cannot comment one way or the other on anyone else's experience with California Wild's Kennels or with Javier - - nor will I "bash" the man or his animals... but facts are facts.... and I felt the need to share them.

[magicgenie]

The 2 California Wild dogs I have are first rate and have been HUGE assets to my breeding.

[Sooznana]

Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie

Hi all,

Does anyone have any knowledge of or experience with Javier @ California Wild's Kennel in Argentina??

He has beautiful dogs, but only accepts payment via Western Union or Money Gram.... this is kind of a red flag for me, but he seems to have a fabulous reputation with champion animals.

Would appreciate any input.... thanks!

Dena

I purchased California Wild's Lion D'or from Javier in November '08 and had a very nice experience. I have purchased internationally several times so that aspect did not frighten me. I co-own Lion and he resides with me. He is a wonderful boy. He had been well cared for, obvious by his manners. After reading this thread I am happy to see that Lion's son does not have a bad patella. I checked with several people in the US that had purchased from Havier and they were very happy with their dogs. I hope to be able to make another purchase from Javier in the furture and am looking forward to Lion's babies.

[peggynitro]

Originally Posted by Sooznana

I purchased California Wild's Lion D'or from Javier in November '08 and had a very nice experience. I have purchased internationally several times so that aspect did not frighten me. I co-own Lion and he resides with me. He is a wonderful boy. He had been well cared for, obvious by his manners. After reading this thread I am happy to see that Lion's son does not have a bad patella. I checked with several people in the US that had purchased from Havier and they were very happy with their dogs. I hope to be able to make another purchase from Javier in the furture and am looking forward to Lion's babies.

I just want to remain clear on what I said about Lion's son (Tiziano) and his knee issue. I believe I said that he has issues but that they are minor. They've been graded between a 1 and a 3 depending on which Vet you choose to listen to and which knee it is.

Now, I don't want to beat up on any Yorkie Breeders and I love Javiers lines it's just that I had aweful luck with this last purchase with him. I bought "2" CH sired females from Javier back in March. One was estimated to be a 5# adult for breeding, (Kormic Light), and the other one was a smaller girl (to show since she was to small for breeding) and her name was Cabriolet.

Emails went back and forth for several weeks and then suddenly something is mentioned about the small female and her "NEW OWNER". WHAT (I'm thinking). And I write him back (politely) and asked him why he sold my dog. His answer back was that she was to small for me. Even though that was never mentioned before, that was his reason. Later he tells me how sick that dog is for the new owners (supposedly sold locally), etc. And I did manage to keep my cool over that but I was upset with him and I stopped my emails after that. Suddenly (weeks later), I get an email from Javier.... stating that he needs to ship the other dog. (5 pound, CH sired female breeder called Kormic Light)

Great, I can't wait. She arrives finally in June. But WHO arrives?!

Who came in the carrier was some scrubby little female, 18 weeks old and only 2 lbs called Kiss of Live. NO CH lines. To small for breeding, etc.

So I write him and ask him "who the heck is Kiss of Live"? And what he tells me is that Kormic Light dies suddenly and he thinks it was from Hypoglycemia (6 months old). He also tells me that this scrubby little Yorkie was one he held back for him. Sooooo...........would one "assume" that Javier typically breeds 2# females then??

Anyway, I just paid $2600 for a scrubby little female from him and is NOT Champion Sired! Wonderful huh?

NEVER AGAIN!
Peggy