[/B]Hi, I want to apologize for bringing up this thread again but I feel I need to fix some misunderstandings. First off, I just now found this topic as I am not a hard core Yorkie Talk person but I am the person who was mentioned on this site.
I'm not sure where the misunderstandings have come from and I only want to speak on my behalf and not on behalf of anyone else.
I am the person in Iowa that purchased one of the son's of CH California Wild's Lion D'or from Javier Coronel in Argentina. What I wanted to say is that my opinion on Dena's decision not to go thru with her purchase of Lion D'or is that she missed out on a great opportunity. I think it was greatly my fault too (from reading her post below). And this is what I am sorry about.
The information Dena had based her decision on was information (bad information) that I had at that time from a couple of Vets as Dena said. Here is what I have learned (the hard way) since 5/08.
First and foremost, [B][U]Vet's ARE NOT perfect people. In fact, the ones I thought at that time were the "best" near my home, aren't so good at all. In fact, sometimes I feel that I know more about dog basics then them and that is seriously frightening!
Yes, CH Lion D'or's son (my dog from California Wild's Kennel) was said to have laxtating patella but it was very very minor and two "best in my area" Vets had completely different opnions. As Dena said, it can come from the momma's side. But what I'm finding, and even in CH dogs, is that NO DOG is 100% perfect, at all. I've heard of dogs withone testical making it far in the ring before it was discovered, earned points, etc. I've heard of dogs with laxtating patella's making it clear thru the points, becomeing "WORLD" champions, and because of that dogs other outstanding qualities, the patella's weren't an issue. How many Judges has anyone watched on TV, wiggles the knees of the CH's being judged? NONE? And please, I'm not knocking anyone and I'm especially not judging Dena or Javier. I'm just giving my opinions and ideas here. And heck, who am I? Nobody! Please just take everything I say with a grain of sale and just form your own opnions.
About my dog (Tiziano) and the teeth. Here's the real butt kicker. The "Stupid" Vet that told me he had 15 baby teeth that needed to come out. I held off on scheduling that surgery (after I talked to Javier about the 1st opinion) and I immediately sought out a 2nd opinion on the teeth and the knees. As I said about the knees.........the Vet opinions didn't match up. About the teeth, the 2nd Vet counted 12 teeth. MY COUNT was only a few. "AND" I don't know my dogs. I admit that. But, I went ahead and went by these two Vet's opinions. I went back to Vet #1, scheduled the appointment for removal, cleaning, and a floride treatment (I think it was). I recall shelling out like $500 or some such amount. And just last month (2/09), I took him back for his annual cleaning. ***(here is where I get pissed) This same Vet, marks on his chart............"Tiziano" is (freaking) MISSING
"10" blasted teeth! What the "heck" happened? I was so tempted to go back there and rip some ...you know what. But I haven't. What I've learned, from this experience and from others (involving English Bulldog pups) is that these Vets really don't know it all, AT ALL! I'm sorry, but it's the truth. I need to add to that by saying that this Vet is a small animal Vet and does mostly dogs and cats. Their clinic is in the city and does only cats and dogs. The 2nd Vet I spoke about, they do horses, cattle, and the likes. So, since that experience........I've started attending conventions and lectures that address dogs specifically and all the issues and problems that relate to dogs. And, I've managed to collect some references from breeders that know their stuff (48 year exp. breeder) and I plan to be much more cautious when it comes to Vet advice. If I get Vet advice that is suspicious (from this day forward), I'll call me 48 yr. exp. breeder before I do anything the Vet tells me. These exp. breeders usually have better advice (IMO).
IN CONCLUSION the newest news regarding my relationship with California Wild's Kennel is this. #1) Javier "DID" offer me my money back on Tiziano (5/08) and I am so grateful that I didn't do it. I am currently in the process of buying another female from Javier and she should be here soon (April 2009). I plan to breed this little gal to Tiziano, Javier has assured me that her legs are good, her teeth are fine, he checked her over very very good because of the things with Tiziano. Javier does not want me to have problems, I believe and trust him, otherwise I wouldn't be buying again from him. Again, my biggest apology to Dena for messing her up on buying Lion and to Javier for accusing him of selling bad dogs. I honestly don't think Javier is doing that at all. And my HUGE explaination (I hope) has explained where I believe all the problems have stemed from.
Thanks for listening to my rambeling.
Peggy in Iowa
peggynitro@aol.com
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Originally Posted by Mom2BabyNatalie  After further research into California Wild's Kennels and it's owner Javier - in Argentina... I have to recant my previous opinions...
It would seem that the "Champion" - CH California Wild's Lion D'or - that I had gone under contract to purchase, (7000.00) has produced at LEAST one pup that I am aware of, who is now here in the US - (Belle Plaine Iowa ) - with #2 stage LP (diagnosed by two unrelated veterinarians) and some dental problems as well, leaving him to need to have 15 retained baby teeth removed at 9 months old.
I realize that Yorkies have medical issues, and the retained baby teeth is not so much of a concern to me... but the LP is something I simply cannot risk reproducing.
I have not "dug" further into Lion's other offspring for more information since my interest in him was stifled the moment I received news of the above.
I of course, can't know if the LP comes from the stud I was purchasing or perhaps the mother... but the California Wild bloodlines are of both line and inbreeding... so regardless, the genetics are there.
I am a little concerned as well, that Javier did not share this information with me (of course, I suppose I wouldn't expect him to) - but I do know that he was well aware of the situation with Lion's pup as he has only been in the US a week or so..... and I understand that the new owner has engaged in close contact with Javier since the purchase.
Anyway.... I cannot comment one way or the other on anyone else's experience with California Wild's Kennels or with Javier - - nor will I "bash" the man or his animals... but facts are facts.... and I felt the need to share them. |