Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992078)

if I may add
this is what breeding is all about

Miracle as a 5 day old puppy with no hair and having no chance of living
Yorkiepassion news - updates - upcoming litters

to this thriving sweet girl at almost 6 months old!

countless sleep deprived nights and days go into raising a happy health litter...and if you dont know how to do it then perhaps you should think twice about attacking those who do spend countless hours on the phone helping these people in need OFF LINE, selfishly day or in the middle of the night in hope they help save a puppys life!

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1991524)

IMHO the breeders section is flooded with controversy often times, non breeders posting their opinions (everyone has an opinion) but what one needs to think about is the advice you are giving is not by experience but from what youve read...I would hate to see a non breeder give the wrong advice and a novice to follow it! that kind of reckless post could compromise the health of the bitch or her offspring.

Many experienced breeder post less and less because of the constant bitch fest ... 9 times out of 10 the novice will do as they wish not listening to the experienced breeder. Often time you will read the nonbreeder chastising the experienced breeder because of posting in a blantant tone or posting in a unkind manner, then the advice to the OP falls on deaf ears and the breeder appears to be the bad guy....

Please walk in our shoes and feel the frustration and pain breeders go though reading posts like "my girl is 3 lbs and want to have a litter" or "I have a pregnant mom do anytime WHAT DO I DO" or "should I breed my chi to my yorkie" or the best "I want to have one litter because my puppy is so cute" sometimes there is no other way to post but from the heart and FROM EXPERIENCE! I think most try to be kind but the frustration mounts when the nonexperienced breeders involve themself.

Originally Posted by myjordash (Post 1992091)

I do understand and appreciate you and all the other "experienced breeders" here, and I hope you don't think my post was intended to insult you.

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1992294)

I don't know how it was taken by the recipient, but I didn't see anyting insulting in your post. I do not see the unreasonableness in your suggestion--if you are frustrated with the type of questions being asked, simply post at length where you can do good, and don't post or place a link on the others.

As in the other threads on this subject, it seems like the point is being missed. No one is asking anyone to "sugar-coat" a subject, or be untruthful about dangers. All anyone is asking for is common courtesy.

I believe I will bow out of this discussion. It was a friendly conversation, but in the last page or so there have been a couple of responses that seem to be headed down that oh-so-familiar path of closure. I'd like to be out of here before that happens. lol Everyone have a great weekend! :)

p.s. Lee, thank you so much for the info on your Yorkie room. I also apologize to everyone else for that question; after I posted I realized that I should have pm'd it instead.

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992321)

see once again who said I was insulted nor did I imply I am or was insulted! where does it read or appear to sound confrontational? NO WHERE! I have helped all I can in this forum and I for one am over the hibitual road that leads to nowhere!!

nice meeting you all I wish you all the best!

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1991924)

this kind of post is the reason breeders have stopped posting!
once again it appears the breeder is always the bad guy and the NON BREEDER that posts an opinion is just fine...suggesting to post a link, most dont read it or just glance it...how in the world is anyone going to learn.

Think about this...a breeder posts the reason why or why not to do something and just because a non breeder doesnt like the tone of which it was written the thread becomes a bitch fest. The non breeder has no place on this kind of thread and so the bitch fest begins.

Did anyones parents or college professor say just because you got an F in a subject "better luck next time" NO! It takes study to understand any breed and study to know how to whelp and raise them, I believe most new breeders are just too darn lazy or niave (thinking this is so simple) why study its mother nature, then panic when it comes time to whelp a litter quickly realizing they know nothing!

How about a breeder that knows nothing and loses their first litter simply because they didnt know the puppy can NOT regulate its own heat for the first three weeks of their precious life! Or what about the new breeder that loses a puppy on whelp because they let the mom do it unsupervised riped out the cord and ate through the stomach killing the otherwise healthy puppy. WHat about the new breeder that finds the moms whelping outside, bring her in for a bath and bathes in a medicated flea shampoo only to lose the entire litter because of the toxic shampoo residue.

NON breeders post sorry for your loss, where breeders are here it stop this kind of preventable accident not to placate the unaware but to teach them...

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1992340)

:confused::confused::confused: I guess I have inadvertently offended you. I was responding to the quote I used where the person said that their intention was not to offend. Since I wasn't the one the post was intended for, I made sure to acknowledge that I can't say how it was received. I felt it would have been presumptous otherwise for me to say that it wasn't offensive. Then I stated my opinion that it wasn't offensive, in an effort to reassure her since she was apparently concerned.

I did not mean to imply that you were insulted, nor did I say that any of your posts were confrontational. I don't think I have responded to any of your posts in this thread, or if I did I don't remember it.

I know I said I am out of this thread. I felt, though, that I should reply here since there obviously was offense taken at my post. Again, I am not sure what in my post indicated that I thought you were confrontational. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992406)

EXCUSE me!! you quote a post directed at me...and state the last couple pages are confrontational, which just so happens that is when I began to post on this thread!! This thread was peaceful until you posted~!

I am over this place I have helped as many as I can and all of us breeder just suffer with all the back lash and grief from all of you taking things out of context and making something out of NOTHING!

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1992485)

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me! :D

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1990655)

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992493)

NOPE im done helping and let the NONbreeder get involved in something that has NOTHING to do with her!

Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1992484)

and you and a few others is why I bid farewell to the breeders section just as many other breeders have...! you have no experience in breeding but yet you are your friend start "the why be rude or confrontational posts" almost every single time.

DONT ASSUME! and yes I do mean to use caps!

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 1992485)

Kimberly - I don't see anything in the above where BakersDozen is steering things toward confrontation. I read the contrary.

I think there was some confusion here - and I hate to see things get so heated, do they really need to be?

Can we re-group here? BREATHE people, breathe with me! :D