I am new here. I am also new to breeding yorkshire terriers. However, my mother breed champion Cocker spaniels most of my life and I've had tons of experience with those dogs whelping, have spent uncountable hours bottle feeding puppies round the clock, and feel like I am pretty knowledgable about potential problems in breeding.

I came here to learn as much as possible about the ins and outs of breeding yorkshire terriers. I actually read many, many posts here as a guest before I joined and before I breed my Diva. I have read books, spent hours talking over whether or not I should do it with Diva's breeder and drove my vet crazy in the last year asking him questions.

I did not go into breeding uneducated, and uniformed. This being said, after reading here for a while, I got the feeling that anyone that was not an "experienced breeder", that was not "showing" their dogs, etc., was automatically labeled a backyard breeder. It took me a lot of time to realize the reason behind the way some of the more experienced breeders were coming across. I now understand after reading some of the posts from the "new" people who come here with absolutely no prior breeding knowledge, most of whom did not even know enough about a heat cycle to know when to breed their dog, why the experienced breeders get so upset.

If you've committed your life and heart to breeding these precious dogs and have researched countless hours the ins and outs of breeding, I can see how posts like Olive's would rub your nerves wrong.

I Posted for the first time on here expecting the worst and prepared to be told when I am doing something wrong. I came here to further my education, not be petted and pampered. I have taught school for 14 years and have no problem correcting students for doing things that are dangerous and irresponsible. I understand when an experienced breeder feels the need to tell me when I'm doing something dangerous and irresponsible.

Different people have different ways of telling you things. Some people have really nice ways and others are blunt and to the point.

I don't know how to solve the issues here, but I for one am so glad to be able to come here and get "honest", to the point, advice. To all, I say thank you. To the nicest ones, I say thanks for being kind. To the blunt people, I say, I understand where you are coming from.

Great Post!

IMHO the breeders section is flooded with controversy often times, non breeders posting their opinions (everyone has an opinion) but what one needs to think about is the advice you are giving is not by experience but from what youve read...I would hate to see a non breeder give the wrong advice and a novice to follow it! that kind of reckless post could compromise the health of the bitch or her offspring.

Many experienced breeder post less and less because of the constant bitch fest ... 9 times out of 10 the novice will do as they wish not listening to the experienced breeder. Often time you will read the nonbreeder chastising the experienced breeder because of posting in a blantant tone or posting in a unkind manner, then the advice to the OP falls on deaf ears and the breeder appears to be the bad guy....

Please walk in our shoes and feel the frustration and pain breeders go though reading posts like "my girl is 3 lbs and want to have a litter" or "I have a pregnant mom do anytime WHAT DO I DO" or "should I breed my chi to my yorkie" or the best "I want to have one litter because my puppy is so cute" sometimes there is no other way to post but from the heart and FROM EXPERIENCE! I think most try to be kind but the frustration mounts when the nonexperienced breeders involve themself.

Would you go to a hairdresser that has never put their hands on a human’s head…but has learned techniques from watching videos, reading magazines and talking to other hair dressers? Most of us would not. Most of us would go to someone who has experience.

Reading books and watching videos is a learning technique but hands on experience is the best. When you have a non-breeder that is posting constantly on a thread (because they’ve read SOOO much and have talked to SOOO many vets) and more or less high jacks a thread, many seasoned breeders are just going to walk away.

It’s very sad but true. As someone mentioned, the breeder’s section has turned to a bi*ch fest.

Now this part, I’m speaking from my own opinion…but one that is shared by many…blunt and to the point and there will be some that will probably think that I’m being rude! What use to be an informative sectioned has turned into something that “used” to be entertaining to read and is now repulsive.

The breeder section is for people that do breed, and it helps other breeders to know different things. I am so thankful that the section is here, cause after going to my vet for help, I knew who to call and got immediate help and if it wasn't for that help I wouldn't have Maggie alive today.
Breeders have had experience that other might not of had, and can help out, give you advice and calm you down...So for that THANK GOD for the Breeder section.

Ok don't laugh at me lol....
just a suggestion..

what if the breeders with experiance could have something so we know who they are? like in their siggy say

Breeding for 10 years whelped 10 litters idk something maybe this would help people to be more open to listening to a breeder because they can see they are experianced?

Or maybe have a sticky in this section with all the experianced breeders names and user names?

Honestly if i had a breeding question i would want to have it answered by a qualified breeder who has experiance.

I feel Yt to be like my extended family of sorts and if i have a question about Breeding or anything i want to feel like i can come here and ask with out fear of being blacklisted by people or deemed a bad person. I respect a lot of people here and honestly i don't feel comfortable speaking on many things. this is one of the first times i have ever really posted in the breeders section on a topic like this. But i am tired of living in fear i guess if someone doesn't like me because i feel this way then there is nothing i can do but i want to be true to myself and post my honest feelings:) I have always tried to be positive and post nice things i have gone out of my way to help a lot of people with a lot of things, I am not perfect i have made some mistakes and i have posted a few angry words but i have never tried to hurt anyone. I enjoy yt so much and i know that with this many members there will be differences of opinions i just wish we could come together for the greater good of the breed and not rip eachother apart for mistakes that are made or knowledge that want to be learned:) I hope that i have set a good example in the 2 years that i have been here by posting positively and trying to help in a mannor that is not demining:)

I have read through this thread and I think the op can find the stated purpose for the Breeder's Forum the following link by Simonandhallie: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-why-here.html

Reading the post by ADMIN will further clarify the reason. Whether we agree or not, there are rules set forth by the ADMIN and MODERATORS here at YT. They do a fantastic job of keeping things in line, being fair and unbiased. However, they need our help. If each of us would take the time to hit the report button Attachment 217268 and report rude and inappropariate posts, then the Amins and Mods would have an easy to track those who might need to be reminded about posting rules. The button is found to the bottom-left of each post beside the round "On-Line" indicator light.

I COMPLETELY understand your frustration, and as an EXPERIENCED breeder can you maybe choose not to respond to these types of posts? Save your expertise, for someone that really needs it, someone that has done their research, and truley does need your guidance?

Nothing you say, is going to prevent the accident that already happened, you are not going to be able to prevent someone that wants to breed their Yorkie with another breed, and you are not going to be able to prevent someone that thinks their pet is cute, and wants to breed for that reason. If you want to copy & paste a link with info on risks of breeding, and everyone that asks these questions can then read about the risks and choose if they want to go forward, but all it does is frustrates you, because you are trying so hard to stop these things from happening, and unfortunately these are things that you cannot control, or prevent, and I think that just BUILDS the frustration level in this area of the board.

this kind of post is the reason breeders have stopped posting!
once again it appears the breeder is always the bad guy and the NON BREEDER that posts an opinion is just fine...suggesting to post a link, most dont read it or just glance it...how in the world is anyone going to learn.

Think about this...a breeder posts the reason why or why not to do something and just because a non breeder doesnt like the tone of which it was written the thread becomes a bitch fest. The non breeder has no place on this kind of thread and so the bitch fest begins.

Did anyones parents or college professor say just because you got an F in a subject "better luck next time" NO! It takes study to understand any breed and study to know how to whelp and raise them, I believe most new breeders are just too darn lazy or niave (thinking this is so simple) why study its mother nature, then panic when it comes time to whelp a litter quickly realizing they know nothing!

How about a breeder that knows nothing and loses their first litter simply because they didnt know the puppy can NOT regulate its own heat for the first three weeks of their precious life! Or what about the new breeder that loses a puppy on whelp because they let the mom do it unsupervised riped out the cord and ate through the stomach killing the otherwise healthy puppy. WHat about the new breeder that finds the moms whelping outside, bring her in for a bath and bathes in a medicated flea shampoo only to lose the entire litter because of the toxic shampoo residue.

NON breeders post sorry for your loss, where breeders are here it stop this kind of preventable accident not to placate the unaware but to teach them...

But what I am understanding is that the EXPERIENCED breeders have left, and are no longer posting in this section BECAUSE of the inexperienced breeders coming here, asking questions without doing the proper research. So if the EXPERIENCED breeders are going to stop posting all together, I am just saying, why not just post to the one's that you feel you can help, and not to the naive "what if" questions. If you are not going to be able to prevent someone from breeding "their cute pup" or "mix breed" why waste your time convincing them not to, which usually goes to a deaf ear, and then the person who really needs your help, will not get it because the "experienced breeders" got too frustrated and stopped posting.

P.S. I am going to stop posting, because my intent was NOT to offend you further.

I look at the breeders section sometimes, just because I like to read post. I am not a breeder so most of the time I will not answer questions that are directed to breeders. I honestly feel it should stay that way, if you do not breed then why try to answer the question when you have no prior knowledge (actually going through it or something similar) of the situation?

why should we walk on eggs shells or have to pick and choose what we post to, this is an open forum....BUT

if you dont have the experience then why post to it, sorry for your loss, oh its ok I know you did the best you could what does a novice learn from that, compassion maybe BUT learns nothing but its ok!

for the non breeders to attack the breeders because they can not hear their voice inflection and assume its to attack not teach is just plain silly.

TOO MANY TIMES non breeders will give whelping advice because theyve read something or as simple as suggesting to give a newborn puppy nutrical!! If I had a dime for everytime a nonbreeder suggests this stuff I would be a very wealthy woman! How many times has has a non breeder said what length to crop tails, how many times has a nonbreeder explained how to wean pups, how many times has a nonbreeder posted their thought never having the experience thinking theyre trying to help when they themself has NEVER experienced it!

To ask a breeder to pick and choose what they post to in effort not to offend or upset the OP or the nonbreeders that post to the same thread is just as silly as asking a vet not to explain to you how to take care of your puppy.

It is my opinion its the non breeders that should pick and choose what they post to in the BREEDERS SECTION not those who have NO EXPERIENCE!

I, for one, am so grateful for this section and the experienced breeders who post here. I had experience before coming to YT, but I have learned many new things since I started reading these posts, and being brave enough to ask questions. When I got an answer, I really thought about what had been said. Ultimately, I have to go with my own sense of what is right -- but the experienced breeders gave me so much more information to use in making my decisions. I hope to continue to use this section to make me a better and more knowledgeable breeder.

One more thing. It is the experienced breeders who stay up all night with a whelping mom to assist where they can. They stay in touch with those in need of their help, they communicate their knowledge to help others, they talk by phone and PM, not just what you see posted here. They have saved countless puppies lives. I appreciate all they do.:)

if I may add
this is what breeding is all about

Miracle as a 5 day old puppy with no hair and having no chance of living
Yorkiepassion news - updates - upcoming litters

to this thriving sweet girl at almost 6 months old!

countless sleep deprived nights and days go into raising a happy health litter...and if you dont know how to do it then perhaps you should think twice about attacking those who do spend countless hours on the phone helping these people in need OFF LINE, selfishly day or in the middle of the night in hope they help save a puppys life!

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