Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1990655)

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 1990885)

I think the Breeders' Forum is here to share experiences and learn from each other. This thread, however, is starting to resemble the one that was closed earlier. Surely there is a problem, either real or perceived, or it wouldn't keep getting brought up. I suggested on the earlier thread that the moderator PM anyone that posts comments that would generally be considered unduly rude, sarcastic etc. and offer a gentle reminder. I realize this is a big site that keep the mods busy, but this is an ongoing thing that needs some attention. I don't expect that they would catch every post as it happened, but while moderating, if something caught their eye, maybe a PM would be in order. I think if we all felt that Admin. had an eye out to maintain a level of civility, we could all relax and use this forum as intended. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

Originally Posted by For My Coby (Post 1990824)

Couple quick comments from a non-breeder who enjoys learning why I am not a breeder. ;)

In forums, there is always a bandwagon presence. If someone is rude (duly noted that the definition of rude is subjective), then suddenly there are others who chime in simply repeating what has already been said with the same "tone". The same thing happens as BakersDozen points out, when one person cries foul, other lurkers jump to their defense as well.

The other thing I keep in mind is that crying foul works both ways. Just as those being answered may need to have thicker skin and tough it out through the cold hard facts, should those giving the advice also tough it out without becoming defensive when people question the tone of their responses if they don't agree?

Bottom line - Neither the people getting information they don't like nor those giving advice that is questioned need to leave. I wish there was room for all........

Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1990971)

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1991135)

The truth is that some times the book knowledge can come in handy. Even the most seasoned breeders can learn from new informational sources. After you're at it for a while you can get stuck on old wives tales and info that was once thought to be true but has now become obsolete or even proven to be false. New research is being done all of the time and one should never stop learning. I am happy to hear from someone who is studying genetics and other avenues of health and breeding research whether they breed, are vet students or are studying for some other health related field.

Originally Posted by Sunnie (Post 1990898)

I guess it is my turn.. I do NOT consider myself and "experienced" breeder, although I grew up in a family that bred Scotties, so I have been around it all of my life. That being said, I, myself, have experienced whelping two litters now. As most of you know, I lost the entire litter the first time.... some may say they were just too small... some may say it was my fault... either way, it just tore me apart. I have since whelped another litter and they have grown to be beautiful 1 year olds as of now. Does that make me experienced?? I don't think so, but I DO know about all of the things that can and DO go wrong. And maybe that doesn't qualify me to post here, but if I can help someone else by letting them know my experience, then I will do so.. and I try to do it in a civil manner. In this thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-breeding.html I just went back and re-read my 1st post to the OP. I said what I said in what I thought was an informative manner, but now see it could be misunderstood. I posted later and told her about losing my babies.., and was happy to see that she actually said it made sense. In my opinion, this OP was very young and stubborn and did not have an open mind to start with. As soon as she mentioned that my post to her actually made sense I felt that it was my duty to develope some kind of friendly rapport with her and hope some of it got thru. I won't take credit for changing her mind.. but I am glad she did come back on and say that she is getting her girl spayed. If she comes back again and asks questions, I will be there to offer help and guidance if that is what she needs. Was I frustrated?? YES... Did I feel like I was talking to a wall?? YES... Did I feel like some of the posters were beating a dead horse?? YES.... Did the end justify the means?? YES... Could it have been accomplished without hard feelings? YES Does the OP have hard feelings?? YES!! Is she less likely to ask questions anymore?? YES....

Sad to say, but a little bit of tact can go a long way... we love our breed.... our hearts hurt to hear of one of our breed in pain or hurt in any way... But NO ONE learns by being beat down... remember when your mom said , "NO, you cannot go out with that boy!" It just made you want to do it even more, didn't it??

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 1991370)

I agree knowledge is knowledge whether from a book , hands on experience, from a trade school or otherwise. The key here is TACT!! If someone comes on here looking for advice then we should offer any experiences or education we can without judging a person. We all have to start somewhere and this Breeder's Section is a great place full of knowledge. We cannot force feed people our information, they ask for knowledge and all to often I see the being gagged to death by strong rude opinions only to run the other way non-educated. I truely wish those with such strong convictions would re-read their posts and make them as imformative and non-judgemental as possible. We should be helping those who come here to learn and receive some knowledge from us instead of running them off of making them feel attacked.

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1991366)

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 1991370)

I agree knowledge is knowledge whether from a book , hands on experience, from a trade school or otherwise. The key here is TACT!! If someone comes on here looking for advice then we should offer any experiences or education we can without judging a person. We all have to start somewhere and this Breeder's Section is a great place full of knowledge. We cannot force feed people our information, they ask for knowledge and all to often I see the being gagged to death by strong rude opinions only to run the other way non-educated. I truely wish those with such strong convictions would re-read their posts and make them as imformative and non-judgemental as possible. We should be helping those who come here to learn and receive some knowledge from us instead of running them off of making them feel attacked.

Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1991078)

I agree, Dee. When you have people that have never whelped a pup but yet has talked to 1,000 vets on the subject, has read every book out there...and they think they know more than those that have actually experienced it...you just shake your head and walk away.

Those breeders are still out there...just pm them.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1991135)

The truth is that some times the book knowledge can come in handy. Even the most seasoned breeders can learn from new informational sources. After you're at it for a while you can get stuck on old wives tales and info that was once thought to be true but has now become obsolete or even proven to be false. New research is being done all of the time and one should never stop learning. I am happy to hear from someone who is studying genetics and other avenues of health and breeding research whether they breed, are vet students or are studying for some other health related field.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1991135)

The truth is that some times the book knowledge can come in handy. Even the most seasoned breeders can learn from new informational sources. After you're at it for a while you can get stuck on old wives tales and info that was once thought to be true but has now become obsolete or even proven to be false. New research is being done all of the time and one should never stop learning. I am happy to hear from someone who is studying genetics and other avenues of health and breeding research whether they breed, are vet students or are studying for some other health related field.

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1991416)

They could post tho I have no experience in breeding dogs/yorkies but I'm in vet school or my vet has told my dad and so on this or that. This would help as Administrator posted earlier. I hope you or Dee don't take what I've said the wrong way, but after reading Tamis post and thinking about it I now have a change of thoughts...It is true what she had to say about learning. See we can all learn from each other if we want to. Hope U have a great weekend. :) Lee

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 1991409)

I dont post here often anymore but I read and wanted to say I really agree with your post I have also noticed your posts are always informative but non judgemental.