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WalnutHill 01-04-2010 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2939926)
Having "been to her kennel" is not necessary to ascertain certain information. :rolleyes:

Juding from previous exchanges in this thread, several things are obvious:
1) She sold to a broker and had no idea who ended up with one of her pups nor did she have any voice in screening and selecting the dog's owner.
2) She's a registered USDA breeder...meaning that she has to adhere to THEIR guidelines which include housing dogs like livestock, not loved family pets. :thumbdown
3) Apparently, she sells to pet shops too:
http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=71A0759

For most here, these things are inexcusable. And this breeder made no effort to try to explain them. To see someone trying to downplay and justify them under the reasoning that "you haven't been there in person, you don't know" is laugable.
:thumbup:

janandrey 01-04-2010 08:44 PM
Destroying Reputations without facts
 
I don't thing it's laughable to try and destroy reputations of good, honest, and hard working people on the internet because of rumors. You have nothing to back-up your accusations and just sound mean-spirited.

jencar98 01-04-2010 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by janandrey (Post 2940974)
I don't thing it's laughable to try and destroy reputations of good, honest, and hard working people on the internet because of rumors. You have nothing to back-up your accusations and just sound mean-spirited.
After reading this thread, I didn't see where anyone laughingly tried to destroy anyone's reputation. If this breeders reputation is damaged, could it be because of their own breeding practices?

BTW, "good, honest, and hard working people", don't make their living by breeding dogs like this, IMO.

BamaFan121s 01-05-2010 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by janandrey (Post 2940974)
You have nothing to back-up your accusations and just sound mean-spirited.
Nothing to back up the accusations? Are you serious? The "proof" is posted all throughout this thread! How can it be denied?
1) Selling to a broker and not knowing who ended up with the dog.
That was discussed by the breeder herself in the first posts of this thread. The breeder herself asked where she bought the dog from. The OP said the dog came from a broker.
2) She is a registered USDA breeder. Need proof? Here's the list, her name is on it, page 5:
http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/ListA2006.pdf
Quote from aphis.usda.gov: What type of animal dealers does USDA regulate? people who breed dogs for sale at the wholesale level and the wholesale dealers who supply these animals to pet stores, brokers or research facilities
3) She sells to pet shops. Here's the link with the proof to back it up:
http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=71A0759

These are not mere "rumors," as you put it. The FACTS are there, in black and white, one of which the breeder herself has discussed in this very thread. This speaks volumes to most here. And if that is "mean spirited" on my part, so be it. I'll take it.

BamaFan121s 01-05-2010 05:58 AM
And if anyone's interested in seeing an ariel view of this "commerical breeding facility" (as it is categorized per USDA standards, not mine), well here's a link for that too. Just click on Ariel View in the upper, right corner. Hmmm,, what could all those buildings around the house be?

Map of 1557 N Hickory St Paris, Arkansas by MapQuest

jencar98 01-05-2010 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2941322)
And if anyone's interested in seeing an ariel view of this "commerical breeding facility" (as it is categorized per USDA standards, not mine), well here's a link for that too. Just click on Ariel View in the upper, right corner. Hmmm,, what could all those buildings around the house be?

Map of 1557 N Hickory St Paris, Arkansas by MapQuest
Could it be a puppymill???? Nah, she said they weren't a puppymill, so that must be true, right?!?!:rolleyes:

Cheller_ 01-08-2010 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2941322)
And if anyone's interested in seeing an ariel view of this "commerical breeding facility" (as it is categorized per USDA standards, not mine), well here's a link for that too. Just click on Ariel View in the upper, right corner. Hmmm,, what could all those buildings around the house be?

Map of 1557 N Hickory St Paris, Arkansas by MapQuest
Dang Bam... thought I was watching Law and Order. The verdict is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

BamaFan121s 01-08-2010 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheller_ (Post 2945760)
Dang Bam... thought I was watching Law and Order. The verdict is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
LOL...thanks! Pretty obvious once you lay it all on the table, eh? You know, my mom always said I may have missed my true calling in life. :p

Mardelin 01-08-2010 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2945936)
LOL...thanks! Pretty obvious once you lay it all on the table, eh? You know, my mom always said I may have missed my true calling in life. :p
"The Master Slueth" You're still young enough to open up your "Private Investigator Office"

missj2007 01-08-2010 11:15 AM
How can these people sleep at night knowing that those poor innocent babies are out there in the cold or blazing heat with no attention,no one to love them just there to put money in someone's pocket who is too lazy to get a real job. This is horrible. Puppy millers have no heart to me.

janandrey 01-08-2010 04:23 PM
I've met your parents and have been to their kennel. They are the best breeders I've visited in Arkansas.

janandrey 01-08-2010 04:25 PM
That was my point. They don't breed dogs in this way.

janandrey 01-08-2010 04:27 PM
I am so sorry! I lost mine after just 5 years to brain cancer.

janandrey 02-09-2010 08:15 PM
Yorkies
 
I love the way you defend your parents. I've purchased two yorkies from them. The Kennel was the best I've seen and I did my research.:)

janandrey 02-09-2010 08:19 PM
Breeders Reputation is not Damaged
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2940994)
After reading this thread, I didn't see where anyone laughingly tried to destroy anyone's reputation. If this breeders reputation is damaged, could it be because of their own breeding practices?

BTW, "good, honest, and hard working people", don't make their living by breeding dogs like this, IMO.
Breeder's reputation is not damaged. She gets repeat customers because of her high standards.

Reese1 02-10-2010 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by janandrey (Post 2996597)
Breeder's reputation is not damaged. She gets repeat customers because of her high standards.
Well this just means we need to get more information out there and educate people, so hopefully they will know which breeders to stay away from:

ID: 309
Date Submitted: 5/16/2006
Breed: Yorkshire Terrier
Date Purchased: 7/16/2005
Breeder: Willmann, Tammy & Dennis **
Petshop: 3 Guys Pet Shop *
Details: Kennel Cough
I found this on a pet shop puppy report!

They are USDA licensed:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...rt_holders.txt

jencar98 02-10-2010 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by janandrey (Post 2996597)
Breeder's reputation is not damaged. She gets repeat customers because of her high standards.
This is amusing, you defend a breeder and by doing so revive a thread that clearly puts your breeder in a bad light. If you're trying to protect her reputation, bringing this thread to the surface is not the best way to achieve your goal, after all most of what's been posted isn't complimentary.

RoscoesMommy42 02-10-2010 06:40 AM
:thumbup::thumbup:
Yes, I would have never seen this thread about this PUPPYMILL if it wasn't brought back up. Funny isn't it. :rolleyes:

Cerise 02-10-2010 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 2798065)
I have a zipper on my lips.

That says it all. When I see someone listed as USDS I just plain feel SORRY for the dogs. No one can tell me how much these so called breeders CARE because if they did - they wouldn't be listed as a puppy mill.

Sorry - the zipper undid for a minute. Shutting up now.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Ladymom 02-10-2010 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by janandrey (Post 2996590)
I love the way you defend your parents. I've purchased two yorkies from them. The Kennel was the best I've seen and I did my research.:)
Checking the USDA "puppymill" list to make sure a breeder's name isn't on it is one of the first things you are supposed to do when researching a breeder! :lol tears

Sunshine364 03-10-2010 10:10 AM
Dog Purchased
 
My husband purchased a dog as a surprise for me, from a pet store, last year- huge no no in the dog world- I know. But once the purchase was made, there wasn't much to be done- besides looking into the dogs background. I'm currently doing some extensive research on The Hickory Inn Kennel. I know this breeder is on the USDA list, which is already not a good sign. However, my research is delving into a realm far beyond internet access. Once I have some more facts I will report back.

On another note- I'm looking into purchasing another yorkie. I have been in contact with a breeder- Douglas & Sharon Andrew who operate d&s kennel. Their website is www.littlepups.net. They too- are on the USDA list. However, they don't seem to fit the stereotypical facility. Any comments? What do you guys think?

jencar98 03-10-2010 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunshine364 (Post 3034455)
My husband purchased a dog as a surprise for me, from a pet store, last year- huge no no in the dog world- I know. But once the purchase was made, there wasn't much to be done- besides looking into the dogs background. I'm currently doing some extensive research on The Hickory Inn Kennel. I know this breeder is on the USDA list, which is already not a good sign. However, my research is delving into a realm far beyond internet access. Once I have some more facts I will report back.

On another note- I'm looking into purchasing another yorkie. I have been in contact with a breeder- Douglas & Sharon Andrew who operate d&s kennel. Their website is www.littlepups.net. They too- are on the USDA list. However, they don't seem to fit the stereotypical facility. Any comments? What do you guys think?
I wouldn't buy a puppy from them. What about them makes you think they are different and not a puppymill? They are a USDA breeder, that means commercial breeder, which is essentially a puppymill! They breed Yorkies, Maltese and Chihuahuas, probably the 3 most popular toy breeds....they breed these because of all the money to be made. They exploit innocent animals to make their living.

This area of Okla. has many puppymills and horrible byb's. Please look elsewhere for you next yorkie or any puppy!

Reese1 03-10-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunshine364 (Post 3034455)
My husband purchased a dog as a surprise for me, from a pet store, last year- huge no no in the dog world- I know. But once the purchase was made, there wasn't much to be done- besides looking into the dogs background. I'm currently doing some extensive research on The Hickory Inn Kennel. I know this breeder is on the USDA list, which is already not a good sign. However, my research is delving into a realm far beyond internet access. Once I have some more facts I will report back.

On another note- I'm looking into purchasing another yorkie. I have been in contact with a breeder- Douglas & Sharon Andrew who operate d&s kennel. Their website is www.littlepups.net. They too- are on the USDA list. However, they don't seem to fit the stereotypical facility. Any comments? What do you guys think?
The fact they are USDA licensed is reason enough to not buy from them, IMO.
I'm not sure what you mean by not being the stereotypical facility, here is what they have in an ad for their puppies:

"Our dogs are kept in clean, climate controled facilities with free access to
outside gravel runs, for plenty of fresh air and exercise. We socialize our pups
so they will be well adapted to their new enviornment."

WOW, access to outside gravel runs, lucky dogs! :rolleyes:
OH and the misspellings are in their ad!

Sunshine364 03-10-2010 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3034946)
The fact they are USDA licensed is reason enough to not buy from them, IMO.
I'm not sure what you mean by not being the stereotypical facility, here is what they have in an ad for their puppies:

"Our dogs are kept in clean, climate controled facilities with free access to
outside gravel runs, for plenty of fresh air and exercise. We socialize our pups
so they will be well adapted to their new enviornment."

WOW, access to outside gravel runs, lucky dogs! :rolleyes:
OH and the misspellings are in their ad!

What type of license should I look for vs. USDA? Thanks for the info- I'll look elsewhere. It just seemed their litters were few and far between... unlike other kennels who crank out puppies every other day. Their photos also make it seem as though the puppies are in a nice environment- maybe that's decieving. I just wish they posted photos of the parents as well. Thanks again

Reese1 03-11-2010 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunshine364 (Post 3035427)
What type of license should I look for vs. USDA? Thanks for the info- I'll look elsewhere. It just seemed their litters were few and far between... unlike other kennels who crank out puppies every other day. Their photos also make it seem as though the puppies are in a nice environment- maybe that's decieving. I just wish they posted photos of the parents as well. Thanks again
I would suggest checking the YTCA.org website for breeder referrals.
Also if you go to the "Yorkies for sale or wanted" forum here, at the top there are some good threads of what to look and not look for in selecting a breeder!

I would personally NEVER buy a dog from anyone that is USDA licensed!!
If they are USDA licensed, this is a business typically, so I doubt their litters are few and far between. In fact they list on their FAQ they have litters throughout the year and post them at between 7-9 weeks! :eek:
Yorkies should go home around 12 weeks!

The puppies live in kennels, that is not a nice environment in my opinion! I want to buy from a breeder who loves her animals and they live in their home and are pets, socialized, etc... JMO

Sunshine364 03-11-2010 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunshine364 (Post 3034455)
My husband purchased a dog as a surprise for me, from a pet store, last year- huge no no in the dog world- I know. But once the purchase was made, there wasn't much to be done- besides looking into the dogs background. I'm currently doing some extensive research on The Hickory Inn Kennel. I know this breeder is on the USDA list, which is already not a good sign. However, my research is delving into a realm far beyond internet access. Once I have some more facts I will report back.
Some photos of their breeding area. I'd like to see the inside. :confused:

Sunshine364 03-11-2010 08:18 AM
Inventory
 
Also- according to recent USDA inspections she had over 100 adult dogs in her "inventory" and more than 60 puppies.

maxmom 03-11-2010 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunshine364 (Post 3035737)
Also- according to recent USDA inspections she had over 100 adult dogs in her "inventory" and more than 60 puppies.
Old thread, but still makes me :eek:

Arzel36 03-11-2010 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunshine364 (Post 3035729)
Some photos of their breeding area. I'd like to see the inside. :confused:
Wow! And know more comments here..........Good luck with your search!

addrills dad 10-26-2010 04:35 PM
Puppy mills
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tammy 1962 (Post 2282824)
hello,
i am tammy ,
i saw your baby online here and you were looking for me.
She is so cute. I also would like to know where you bought her from and if you are happy with her. I love my babies.... And love to get info and updates on them. At christmas i get lots of cards with pics and letters from people who got one of my babies. It is a so nice to hear that they have wonderful families who love them as i do. Look forward to a reply.
Tammy

HELLO tammy i have a yorkie thatcame from you and i have read on here that you dnt sell to pet stores but today i was in a petland and saw biewers wich i have also . the biewer i saw was 11 weeks old and was sick, would you reply to this thanks.....


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