I need some advice...I am a bit scared...

[fasteddie]

I'd say you don't want to overwhelm the puppy and frighten him in his new home. You can introduce him to your other dogs, but you've just go to be careful that they play well with each other. There's quite a few members with a Yorkie and a larger dog that get along just fine!

[mmyorkies]

A good toy dog breeder does not release her puppies before they are 12 weeks, and if they happen to be tiny she will keep them even longer. One reason is that sometimes the stress on a tiny dog being taken from their mother causes health problems, and another is so that they are well socialized and the breeder is sure that they are healthy. They were pretty good sized, but still yorkies are tiny dogs. Why did you take this pup to her vet instead of one of your chosing? Sounds to me like her vet was not very knowledgeable in the toy breeds. That is something you have to check for when you do find a vet, make sure they know about toy breeds, because a toy breed can dehydrate in just a few hours where larger dogs can last much longer before becoming critical.

[Christi]

I agree with everyone else on getting a new puppy elsewhere, but I whole heartily understand the predictiment. I definately wouldn't introduce the new puppy to other animals or the children. I would keep him quarrantined for a while (maybe use a large kennel like the size used for labrador retrievers, and check with the vet for how long you should keep him/her quarrantined). Use extensive care when cleaning or handling the new puppy. I used to work for a vet, but it has been about two years ago. You might want to check to see if there is a test that can be run for giardia. I know there is one that can be run for parvo and I want to say there may be one for giardia. But I am slightly outdated and my memory is failing me. I didn't like the fact that you have to take the puppy to her vet first. You may want to ask that even if her vet gives the puppy a "clean bill of health" and your vet doesn't, will she recognize what your veterinarian says? I hope that this has been of some help to you. Keep us posted.

[myjordash]

Originally Posted by Christi

I agree with everyone else on getting a new puppy elsewhere, but I whole heartily understand the predictiment. I definately wouldn't introduce the new puppy to other animals or the children. I would keep him quarrantined for a while (maybe use a large kennel like the size used for labrador retrievers, and check with the vet for how long you should keep him/her quarrantined). Use extensive care when cleaning or handling the new puppy. I used to work for a vet, but it has been about two years ago. You might want to check to see if there is a test that can be run for giardia. I know there is one that can be run for parvo and I want to say there may be one for giardia. But I am slightly outdated and my memory is failing me. I didn't like the fact that you have to take the puppy to her vet first. You may want to ask that even if her vet gives the puppy a "clean bill of health" and your vet doesn't, will she recognize what your veterinarian says? I hope that this has been of some help to you. Keep us posted.

Thank You, I will. I know there is a test for Giardia, because after the bloody stools they showed me the test where he was Positive for Giardia. I asked why they didn't test him for that earlier, and he said it is not a routine test they run. He said if he sees 100 puppies only two may be positive for Giardia and therefore it is not a routine test. I was going to ask during the Well Check for the new puppy if he can please test the puppy for Giardia, even if there are no signs of it yet. I do feel a bit bad that I didn't take the puppy else where for an opinion on the puppies condition. I am going to start looking for another Vet. I wish I would have taken him for another opinion. I just don't understand why he couldn't be saved.

I did call the Breeder yesterday, but she wasn't available to talk to me. I am going to try again tomorrow and ask her if I can please come and see the new puppies. I just want to take a good look at them, even if I do not handle them. I will be checking to see if the stools in the cage or hard or soft. Another big sign to me should have been that the puppy had poop matted and glued to his bottom. I couldn't even get it off when I got home, and the Vet had to shave off some of the hair back there to get it removed. I will make sure that the new puppies are very clean of that, because now I know that that is a sign.

[myjordash]

I do want to add that I did go to Bansfield at PetsMart as a walk in, when I thought the puppy was VERY bad and they said they were too busy to see me. The receiptionist told me it was not an emergency, and that he was fine. She said I didn't know what I was talking about, he was just tired, not lethargic. She said he had enough meat on his bones to last him. They pinched his skin a few times and said he was fine. She said that lots of dogs have Giardia. It is not a big deal. I took him from there back to the other Vet. I am not sure of others opinion of Bansfield, but I have never had a good experience there.

[Lauri]

MyJorDash,

I was thinking about something you might could do this time around if you don't mind my imput here. Of course I'm not aware of your financial picture and realize that you have quite a lot already invested between the 2 dogs and the driving back and forth so many times.
If your finances could afford it, as well as if you are working you could get a day off, maybe you could plan to make your pick up for the replacement pup on a Friday. Perhaps your mom who lives next door would be willing to give you a weekend off and keep the kids for you and you or you and DH could make a little weekend out of it 2 hours away where the pup and the breeders vet are located. If this is possible, you could arrange to pick up the new furbaby on Friday afternoon, early? and check into a motel in that town and just put your feet up and eat out and spend some quiet time not only to relax your nerves, but give yourself some observation time without the back and forth long distance travel in case something goes wrong. Bring a crate and woowbie for the crate as well as a small feeding dish like what is used for cats. The small very shallow one which could be placed in the crate with the new pup. I would suggest a supply list such as, heating pad to be placed under the crate on the underside set to med, then a blankie to seperate the baby from the pad a little more. I would also bring some nutracal, baby food (my choice, plain old rice ceral mixed with puppy milk) as an initial diet. It is so bland that it shouldn't irritate the puppys bowels regardless of what might or might not be brewing on his insides. I would take the baby to the breeders vet the next day (Saturday) and get his thoughts in writing asking him to write ledgibly so that you can read his comments, temp, diagnosis, concerns, treatments etc. Again, finances permitting, Stay over again Sunday, just relax cuddle with the pup some in a room which will obviously quiet and semi dark and just observe with a notebook times, events, puppy behavior, feeding success or failure etc.
On monday morning if everything is looking good I would get up early if you work and make the trip home so that you only missed Friday. Keep him crated and ask your mom if possible to keep up with your observations in your little notebook on Monday and then Monday evening or whatever your work schedule is bring the new furbaby to your own vet with the copies of the vetting done by the breeders vet in hand.
By now you should have been able to rule out the first pups affliction given the time frame involved. The pup would have made the transition in the least possible chaos or commotion, and the children could be introduced to the new baby all the while keeping him in the crate and avoiding any extra handling. This will not only build up your confidence that what happened last time won't happen again, dispelling any fears that you might be harboring in regard to self blame. It will also protect your children to exposure in the event it happens again, but spare them the sadness of losing yet another little furbaby.
Also, if on Monday am you find that something is wrong with this baby as well. I would go directly back to the breeder with the pup, with whom nobody has done any lasting bonding with up to this point and ask for a refund.

OHHHH I forgot to mention the most important part of this weekend trip. Pack some candles, some great bath oil, a snuggly robe and a good book on everything you wanted to know about yorkies but were afraid to ask and settle into a much needed recoup that at this point you well deserve.

[myjordash]

Thank you for ALL your advice and for everyone's advice. I think I should update my situation. You all gave excellent advice. The Breeder ended up being a no good con artist that was having 8 wk old puppies shipped in from Argentina. The ones that survived were sold. The breeder showed me to dogs and said these were the parents. She also advertised them to be AKC, however they are not. My mom's dog has come down with Ringworm, and the Breeder never made good on her promise to give me a replacement puppy. I went down there 4 times (2 hrs up and back each time, with the kids in tow) only to find out one day after waiting there for over 2 1/2 hours, that would give me some excuse why I could not have my puppy that day. After the last promise and looking at my children's faces after she broke her promise AGAIN to them, I lost it. I told her she was a dishonest person, that cannot play with people's lives in this manner. That she cannot make and break promises for no reason and I was not going to allow her to do this to my family anymore! I told her I wanted a refund, or my replacement puppy that day. She refused to give me either. I contacted the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services and they guessed her name when I told them the city. They had a long list of complaints on this woman and she has done this several times to several people. She is the one that told me that the reason she keeps giving me the run around and promising me a dog and then breaking the promise is because the puppy probably did not survive the trip from Argentina. She told me that according to FL Law if my puppy has a parasite or is considered unfit to be sold within 14 days of purchase, the CONSUMER has a right to choose between a FULL refund OR a Replacement Puppy!!! I CHOOSE a REFUND! Since she is not giving it to me, I need to now take her to court. I hired an attorney and that is what I am doing. The only problem is that the VET is not giving me a death certificate on my puppy which I need to show my puppy was unfit to be sold due to the Giardia. They are HER Vet, and they are refusing to give me anything. I do not understand how they can do this. They took my puppy, called and told me my puppy passed away, and they are refusing to give me anything in writing. I did everything right by going to her Vet for the diagnosis, and now because they are in her pocket, they are not cooperating with me. I am going to call my attorney on Monday and I guess bring them in to lawsuit as welll. I am not sure, any ideas???

On a better note, I did find another puppy. I drove about 6 hours to get him from another breeder, he is AKC, Healthy, and he is beautiful. He looks just like my old Mickey! He is Mickey Jr. (my children had their hearts set on that name.) He eats, sleeps, goes potty, and is extremely healthy. He gets along with my other dogs, and the children great!

Thank you so much for all your help, support, and guidance through all of this. If anyone has any ideas about getting my money back I would love to hear it. I am confident that with the law on my side, that I will win. The question is when I do, will she pay?

[schatzie]

I don't have any legal advise but I am happy you and your family now have healthy, happy Mickey Jr.

Good luck with the lawsuit towards that breeder, keep us posted on the progress with it. It's such a shame she has hurt so many other people not to mention putting animals in such grave danger.

[gopheraj]

"The only problem is that the VET is not giving me a death certificate on my puppy which I need to show my puppy was unfit to be sold due to the Giardia. They are HER Vet, and they are refusing to give me anything. I do not understand how they can do this. "

I would definitely add them to the lawsuit. No telling how much money they are making off this "breeder"

[princecharlie10]

HI myjordash
I'm very sorry to hear about everything you went thru, I hope evrything works out for you, I would also keep the puppy away until vet visit and maybe a few xtra days to be inthe safe side. I myself just went thru a little trama my self with my new puppy. Sunday he started caughing really bad, then yesterday he stop eating ,this morning he was having problems breathing , I was so scared I though I was goign to loose my baby, I din't even bother to call breeder because , she said they will only replace puppy if is a hereditary problem, and that I would have to get him tested, so I already now it was going to be a lot of $$ in vet visit alone, so I hope you stand your ground with this breeder, ( I'm not practicing what I preach ) I would demand my money back and get a puppy from a different breeder, specially if you are planning to bread, I myself would feel a little uncomfortable to breed dogs that came from same breeder, I know there is great breeders out there, who work so hard and spend there money time and effort in tryint to better the breed, but you never know if this 2 are related regardless what the papers say, I know they could still be related even if its a different breeder, but I would talk to her first and explain to her , how you feel regarding the 1st puppy you got that was sick, I would try all I could to get money back, just for peace of mind,beside the worst she can say is no :
you can always continue to see how other puppies are doing maybe get references from other people who purchase puppies from her, I also know sometimes things happen, no matter how good a breeder is sometimes ,like us humans some puppies don't do so well, I'm sorry to go on and on . I hope everything goes wells no matter what you do. Take care & God Bless

[myjordash]

Originally Posted by princecharlie10

HI myjordash
I'm very sorry to hear about everything you went thru, I hope evrything works out for you, I would also keep the puppy away until vet visit and maybe a few xtra days to be inthe safe side. I myself just went thru a little trama my self with my new puppy.

Thank you so much! I posted an update yesterday it is a few threads up. I did end up getting a new puppy from a different breeder. He is beautiful, healthy, fun, playful, everything I thought a puppy would be. I am very happy with our new puppy. I am going to have to take legal action against the other breeder. She is dishonest, discusting person who doesn't care about the animals, just her wallet. I found out that by law in my state that if a puppy gets sick within 14 days of the consumer purchasing the puppy, the breeder is responsible for vet bills, refund, and/or replacement puppies, regardless of the warranty she gives to you. Here is the website that lists the laws for each state. www.malteseonly.com/lemon.html That is where I found what the law is for my state, and that I actually could have gone to my own Vet, she would have had to pay the bills, and who knows maybe my puppy would still be here today.

Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for your support and kind thoughts, and let you know that I do have a happy healthy new puppy! I hope your puppy is feeling better soon, and check out the website to see if maybe your breeder can reimburse you for some of the Vet bills if she sold you a sick puppy.

audrey