I definitely agree that some are being rude. I've noticed that the mods and admin have been pretty vigilent in deleting the rude posts lately. I've seen members called rude many times though that are not being rude at all (and I'm not refering to myself being rude..talking about other members whose posts I read). It's important to give the poster the benefit of the doubt as we can't read tone...I try not to assume someone is being rude.

I agree that the the Moderators and Admin have been vigilent in deleting rude posts. It would be a simple thing to see who is posting inappropriately in the breeder's section by looking at the posts that have been deleted.

Many times people will "quote" the rude person and comment which results in the non-rude person's post being deleted as well. Also, I like to believe that people can change...some that may have been rude in the past may have learned how to post more nicely now. I will admitt that I have posted things that may have been rude in the past, but more recently I have tried to be more careful of my wording as to not come off as rude (although like I said...many people missinterpret the tone of people's posts). And actually, when I have felt that I might have been rude, I PM the person to apologize

LOL...I'm still here, too. I followed quite a few threads before I dared to post anything on this forum because I saw how quickly things get heated here. It doesn't bother me much but I can see how it could make a newbie head for the hills. I think everyone here should look at the OP's number of posts and, if it is someone new, try to be a little less blunt and critical of them. You can still get your point across but what good does it do if they are scared off. This is a great site with loads of good info on it and if anyone stays around, some of it will surely sink in. If they leave due to hurt feelings, how does that help them, or more importantly, their dogs? :aimeeyork:animal-pa:animal-pa:animal-pa:animal-pa:)

I think the bottom line is what this thread is all about its some respect for your fellow breeder, I don't have to justify myself nor does anyone else that breeds to anyone on here. You can take one look at my babies and see I breed to standard, and if you really know me, you know how much I put into my breeding program, and what I do, but if you don't know me, then why should I have to justify it to anyone that is rude about my breeding, the bottom line is the ones that are rude and talking behind everyones back, you just don't get it and you never will:(
My dad has a saying that I have heard all my life "don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house":(

:thumbup: Exactly! If you are comfortable with your breeding program and believe you are doing the right thing, you have no need to defend yourself or justify it to others. If you are happy with yourself, why do you care what others think? I guess I am one of those people that just doesn't care what most people think of me - I am who I am and I won't change just because someone doesn't like it or doesn't agree with me. So I guess I don't understand why so many care what others think so much... if someone doesn't like you, who cares - that is the problem of the person that doesn't like you. I don't let people bother me - it's the ones that put their energy into disliking me that have the issue... I just don't care what others think because I am happy and confident with myself. So like I said, if you as a breeder are confident, that is all that matters....shouldn't matter what others think of you.

So far as a buyer....everyone has different opinions on what they want in a breeder. And we know there are plenty of breeders out there...so everyone has the right to choose who to buy or not buy from.

That is true, but it can also be said as a Breeder, that I have expectation of a buyer and I am very picky about who I would sell to. They have to meet my standards.

I try to have this mentality as much as I can, and for the most part I put on my "tough skin" when it comes to criticism, but PMing me or talking behind my back (or emailing from the site as was done to Sugar's mom) is just crossing the line. What bothers me is that someone is going to say ONE thing that sends a flurry of rumors to god knows who, and then the next thing you know I'm listed somewhere as a "bad breeder" by someone who doesn't even know me. That just gets under my skin a little. As a breeder, all you have is your reputation, and if people are slandering your name with untrue statements, the only thing you can do is stand behind your dogs and say, "that's false." Sometimes it's just a little much...

And for the record, I'm not directing this at you Michelle, just responding to the general idea. I think your posts are always very informative and not so much "rude" as "to the point." I agree with 99% of your posts, and I think you're an asset to this community. I'm referring to those who go OUT of their way to make remarks about an INDIVIDUAL as opposed to a general idea. Am I making sense at all? lol

Absolutely! :thumbup:

The adoption questions aren't on my site to make it pretty, I do read them and I DO check references.

of course :) Responsible breeders care about where their babies go to :thumbup:

Yes, perfect sense. If you have a personal issue with someone, keep it private..no reason to post about it or imply it on a public forum. Or better yet...let it go completely. And there is no reason to just be outright rude - doesn't get you anywhere.

And no two people will ever agree on anything 100% of the time...everyone is an individual with their own opinions and ways of doing things. As long as they aren't endangering a dog or causing harm, that's completely fine. Differences of opinions should be welcomed in a forum, not shut out

Exactly, BUT if someone says, "should I breed my 8 lb male to my 3 lb female?" and an inexperienced breeder replies "yes that's fine" then SOMETHING needs to be said. But there are still ways of saying things that don't come across as threatening.

Me too!!!!!!!! And I have cancelled more than one sale, even to Yt'ers because they lied on the application.

Oh yes, I just cancelled one 2 days ago (not to a YTer) who was supposed to be getting one of Brooke's girls. She let something slip that told me she was planning on breeding the dog she got, and I'll bet these girls don't make 4 lbs. :eek: I gave her back her deposit and told her sorry, and I referred her to two good breeders in the area who sell their puppies with full registration.

I feel the need to say this too...I don't have a personal problem with 99% of the breeders on this forum. There are a few that I do because I feel like they are harming animals by what they are doing, but I just don't spend much of my time thinking about breeders on here as individuals. I usually think of breeding in general and give my opinions on breeding in general...very little of the time do I ever have a specific breeder on my mind. I have had friends that have bred their dogs or currently still breed...there are many breeders on this forum I personally like. I may not 100% agree with someone's breeding practices, but that doesn't mean I don't like them or can't be friends with them. If anyone feels like I don't like them, ask me! If someone wants to hear it, I will be honest about my thoughts about them personally or even so far as their breeding program if they ask and want to know...otherwise, I just don't think much about it.

I am very passionate when it comes to this breed and breeding and I would like to see everyone do it a certain way so I post about how I feel it should be done. But just because a breeder doesn't do everything I say I want done, doesn't mean I can't like them as a person...I may not buy a puppy from them but that doesn't mean I can't be friends with them.

Funny, most of the breeders have left this thread.

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I cant begin to answer all your posts.
But many many good posts here to the positive.
You all know of people who've been scared away.
But do you really know how many lurk on this forum and never post?
The sad thing is you cant educate others if it always turns into a debate.
You're preaching to the choir ...I dont believe for one minute that those who dont give a hoot about careless breeding even bother come to YT...but thats just IMO

I just know that its sad for me to get up morning after morning to several emails , then more thru out the day.
Oh I am so worried but I'm afraid to post or can you please help me?
I try to help them as much as I can.
But I am only one person. And I dont have all the answers for them.
And I know that theres many more people here that I look up to that know more then me. And theres always more info with multiple posters then I can ever provide.

I know today alone I have gotten over 100 PMS ...and emails to my addys.
So dont none of ya'll come knocking at my door today and wanting to visit...
I've been online all day and my house is a MESS!!!!!

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:Great post!!! You said this much better and nicer than I ever could.:)
I dont feel that EVERY breeder needs to be showing their dogs, but, if breeding Yorkies is actually where the interest lies, it would be advantageous to the non-show breeder if they would attend and/or enter shows. That would just further the education on this wonderful breed. Maybe join a kennel club and get more involved. Its great for kids to learn and compete also. Education is un-ending. The people that I consider to be a bybr are the people that never get better and have other motives than betterment of the breed. They breed for the sake of breeding, just to make a $ or show the kids the "miracle" of life, or want to re-coup the cost of the purchase price. They never have their Yorkies evaluated by a vet or a knowledgable breeder/mentor and they dont breed to the YTCA standard for the breed.



Also, to what advantage would a closed forum be? I like to read everybodies opinions, information and suggestions. Wouldnt a closed forum be like sensoring? Nobody learns from this. Just wondering.

I just know that its sad for me to get up morning after morning to several emails , then more thru out the day.
Oh I am so worried but I'm afraid to post or can you please help me?

You know it is the same with me and it's day after day. Like you I try to help all I can. It's just a shame that we breeders can't share openly from our experience. Just like this thread, most of the breeders left because of things being said by non-breeders.

I wanted to comment that many knowledgeable, experienced breeders have left YT or refused to comment in this forum any longer because they were tired of being called rude, and because they didn't feel like anyone took their good advice anyway. So while this thread is saying that people are leaving or afraid to post for fear of people being rude to them, know that plenty of great breeders have left because they are frustrated with many of the people breeding and lack of willingness to learn.

examples..

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=122565

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=123221

There is no place for rudeness from anyone here at YT. Period. If everyone would make a conscious effort to temper their posts with kindness then no one would fear posting or feel the need to leave.

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But dont you think its better to spoon-feed someone rather then stuff it down ones throat? Just a thought....
I'm not saying that many did that.
But when questions turn into debates.
And newbies read this they are scared to death to post.
Most....not all do read a lot before they post.
Not all but lots do. You'd be surprised.
I think its sad that we've lost a lot of good breeders here who really have a wealth of information and years behind them.
I wish they'd post if they are still here.

right, but that is not my point. Experienced, knowledgeable breeders have left YT and this forum completely because they are so frustrated by many member's attitudes. And when they give good advice, they get called rude because it isn't what the person wanted to hear. So we've lost many great breeders because people make assumptions and read the tone wrong...these breeders are not afraid to post - they are tired of being frustrated by it all

well, I don't believe in spoon-feeding or stuffing it down someone's throat...both are extremes. No one should have to walk on egg shells, and no one should be rude either. Everyone should be able to post in a discussion without feeling attacked or being called rude.

I too wish those great breeders that have left in the past would continue to share their experience but I completely understand their frustration

WOW how quickly it all goes downhill.

Yep because of repeated rude non-breeders that have also ran some breeders off. Keep giving advice Sugar's Mom I always enjoy your posts :) Nice to hear it from expericed people :)

My point is there is no place at YT for rudeness. According to the forum posting rules. There is just no excuse. Adults should be able to control their frustrations and act like adults. Whether any of us post is a personal decision. The rules of the fourm in general and the Breeder's Forum in particular require that we be civil to one another.