yorkie pups

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I just want to add that while it is possible for a good breeder to produce a multicolored pup, I personally do not believe a good breeder would market them as a parti. To me this is the same as marketing a smaller dog as "teacup."

So should they call them blue and tan?

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Thanks Michele. The parti registration is based on the parents information (and obvioulsy if they are also registered) and they also look at pictures that you are required to send in along with the registration form.

Tammy

Maybe you can explain how someone goes about registering a different colored yorkie? Someone explained it once but I can't remember how you go about it. That might help others to understand that they can be registered.

I can see how it is confusing because they can't be shown...but they can be registered. It's the same thing as say a white german shepherd. You can register a white german shepherd with the AKC but you can not show it.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

So should they call them blue and tan?

I would call them a yorkshire terrier, many yorkies don't meet standard, such as one with a cotton coat. Should a breeder advertise this as something unique and special? I throughly agree with the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America on this matter. For more information see: http://www.ytca.org/faq.html#C

[beckgirl]

Nancy,
I appreciate your helping me to educate people about buying the proper Yorkie. We should not proliferate the mixed type of Yorkies or backyard breeding. Two Yorkies should not be bred just for puppies. They should be bred to BETTER the breed. Not by making designer dogs of different colors.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I would call them a yorkshire terrier, many yorkies don't meet standard, such as one with a cotton coat. Should a breeder advertise this as something unique and special? I throughly agree with the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America on this matter. For more information see: http://www.ytca.org/faq.html#C

So are you saying that AKC should do away with all color classification?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by beckgirl

Nancy,
I appreciate your helping me to educate people about buying the proper Yorkie. We should not proliferate the mixed type of Yorkies or backyard breeding. Two Yorkies should not be bred just for puppies. They should be bred to BETTER the breed. Not by making designer dogs of different colors.

Have you shared a picture of your "show quailty" puppy yet? I would love to see it....especially with it being so young and you already being told by your breeder that it is of this quality.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

So are you saying that AKC should do away with all color classification?

No, I think the YTCA will do very well without any input from me.

By the way, I noticed you have a beautiful yorkie in your avatar; multicolored yorkies can make wonderful pets and can be very beautiful. I hope you don't think I'm putting your pet down in any way, he's gorgeous, I just don't believe breeders should purposely breed or charge more for multicolored yorkies, and they won't be able to if people are informed.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

No, I think the YTCA will do very well without any input from me.

By the way, I noticed you have a beautiful yorkie in your avatar; multicolored yorkies can make wonderful pets and can be very beautiful. I hope you don't think I'm putting your pet down in any way, he's gorgeous, I just don't believe breeders should purposely breed or charge more for multicolored yorkies, and they won't be able to if people are informed.

Thanks...we think she is beautiful as well and can't wait to see her little parti babies one day. I am sure that whatever price I decide to charge will be just fine for any potential buyer...since it obviously won't be a secret to them. The price is something between the breeder and buyer. I knew how much they were when I bought Livi and I didn't need anyone telling me that I was paying too much. It was my own decision to make.

Tammy

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by beckgirl

AKC sanctioned conformation (show ring) shows do not allow Yorkies that are not AKC standard. Standard only allows a one inch white spot on the chest. there is no allowed color Parti. Go on the internet and type in Why Not White! The article may be on AKC.ORG also. Parti Yorkies are like designer dogs. Just something someone is breeding.

I searched "Why Not White" on the internet and was unable to find the site (s) you're talking about?

You are correct on some points. Yes, the YTCA Standard has always said that the only correct adult color is blue and tan. So tell me why have black and tan, black and gold and blue and gold "off colored" dogs, entered the show ring and won championships in the past? Why do breeders (show breeders included as seen in previous threads) continue to breed the off colored black coated yorkies to their blue and tan yorkies? Black coated adults according to old standards and to the new DQ rule, are considered to be off color and not correct. I don't hear anyone saying that "those" dogs should be spayed/neutered and sold without papers or sold as pets?

Parti yorkies are not "designer dogs," they have appeared in the breed since the 1800's but have been chastised due to their off coloring (as per YTCA standards). Back in the early days when this color showed up; prior to the scientific knowledge that we have today about how genetics and recessive genes work, people were completely ignorant and closed minded and they assumed that mom hooked up with the wrong stud or the neighbors white dog.

Today, we know that both parents have to carry the gene in order for the parti color to appear. These genes have been hanging around in our dogs for years and years and are being passed on from generation to generation. We will continue to see new "surprise" parti color coming from other lines as time goes on. I only wish that AKC would require that these pups and parents from new parti lines be DNA'd, just to keep everyone honest. :-)

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by beckgirl

Nancy,
I appreciate your helping me to educate people about buying the proper Yorkie. We should not proliferate the mixed type of Yorkies or backyard breeding. Two Yorkies should not be bred just for puppies. They should be bred to BETTER the breed. Not by making designer dogs of different colors.

I too believe that education is very important; it makes people think.

Attached is an example of how recessive genes came to be in our yorkies.
This is a breed that began by dogs of unknown heritage and dogs with out pedigrees. Pictured is a group of Terriers from the 19th century, illustration by DJ Watkins - Pitchford, from the Book of Field Sports printed in 1860. According to the caption in the illustration the drawing depicts: The Skye Terrier, The Scotch Terrier, The English Smooth (coated) Terrier, The Crossed Scotch Terrier, The Dandie Dinmont and The Bull Terrier. Dogs like these were some of the early foundation stock of the Yorkshire Terrier. Please note that 2 of the dogs (the Crossed Scotch Terrier and the Bull Terrier) are parti colored in this drawing. Also note that all but 1 dog ran freely, and I'm pretty sure that none were neutered or spayed in the 1800's.

"Swift's Old Crab" one of the foundation dogs in our breed was a Crossed Scotch Terrier ... he was an acceptable color according to the YTCA but who knows, he may have been the full sibling or a son of the parti colored Cross Scotch terrier in the picture! ;-)

Just because a dog is blue and tan, doesn't mean that they don't carry recessive genes for other colors, it just means that their genes have been "hiding in the closet."

[Nancy1999]

This comes from the Yorkshire Terrier Club off America:

"Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers?

Do not be fooled into buying one of these dogs.
Now that Designer Dogs are the rage, the “new” Parti-Color Yorkie is certain to draw attention. While we have had problems in the past with “rare gold” Yorkshire Terriers being advertised, the parti-color is a new one! While some breeds have an occasional mismark and some breeds do have a gene for a white dog, we do not. Had there been a problem with white markings, piebald dogs, or white dogs, it would have been addressed in our Standard. Due to unscrupulous breeders advertising parti-colored Yorkshire Terriers at premium prices, our members voted unanimously at our annual meeting to add a disqualification for these and other off colored dogs.

The Yorkshire Terrier is a tan dog with a blue saddle. The “rare gold” Yorkie is actually a dog that appears as such due to an improper saddle pattern. Show breeders have seen this and commonly call it running gold. When the dog is cut down, you can see that the blue saddle does not come down far enough. The Yorkshire Terrier blue saddle extends lower than some of the other black and tan terriers extending to the elbow and also to the hock on the rear leg. Gold hairs can occur in the blue and black or blue hairs can appear in the gold. These faults are addressed in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard. These dogs have serious faults and they too should not be sold as "rare" but placed in loving homes as they are very incorrect. Yorkies do not have white markings…never have. A small white strip is sometimes seen on the chest of newborns but this always turns to tan within a few weeks. The AKC registration form for Yorkshire Terriers allows for four choices: blue and tan, blue and gold, black and tan, black and gold. There is no provision for markings.

A brief history of the development of the Yorkshire Terrier will show that the dog was developed in the 1800’s. In England, the Waterside Terrier was often crossed with the old English terrier, a silky coated black and tan or blue and tan terrier weighing around five pounds. When crafters from Scotland came into England, they brought several “Scotch“terriers, among them the Paisley and the Clydesdale. The Paisley was a small silky coated dog in various shades of blue. The Clydesdale was a blue and tan dog with the exact color pattern as the Yorkie of today. All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today. The color pattern and coat texture has bred true and has been dominate enough that the Silky Terrier evolved by crossing the Yorkshire Terrier and the Australian Terrier with basically the same coat of the of the Yorkie."

See: http://www.ytca.org/faq.html#C



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[Julie1760]

Beautiful pups!! Can't wait to see them as they grow. I have no idea where you are located, but I'd love to take one off your hands when they are ready to go...

Congrats!!!

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This comes from the Yorkshire Terrier Club off America:


All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed. The first Yorkshire Terriers were entered at shows as Broken Haired Scotch and Yorkshire Terriers. In the early days, dog classes were often divided by size, under five pounds and over five pounds; however, there was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today. The color pattern and coat texture has bred true and has been dominate enough that the Silky Terrier evolved by crossing the Yorkshire Terrier and the Australian Terrier with basically the same coat of the of the Yorkie."

See: http://www.ytca.org/faq.html#C

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Yorkies have evolved from broken haired, to silky haired; from larger sizes down to the 4-7 lb standards we have today (with some going above or below those sizes due to their genes). The above article states that "There was never a class for colors other than the blue and tan we see today."... but Black coated adult yorkies have entered the show ring and won, how is that possible?

"All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed." How can anyone other than God, know the genetic makeup of the original dogs that were used in the development of the breed ... these dogs had no pedigrees and were working dogs who ran freely?

If you read other writings on the Yorkshire terrier breed, you will find information that conflicts with the above article, i.e. that the Maltese was bred to the early yorkie to improve the texture and length of it's coat?

?????????

With all the controversy that we are seeing in the show ring today with dogs being disqualified for having blue coats that are too light or too dark, not even the Blue and Tan color is a guarantee that your yorkie meets the strict color standard?

My opinion is that a good Yorkie is never a bad color (with the exception of colors that are associated with health problems).

[ButterflyYorkie]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Now, the parti cannot be shown, but can go into the confirmation ring.

I'm a little confused, forgive me. Going into the conformation ring is being shown.

The puppies are cute. Good luck with them.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by ButterflyYorkie

I'm a little confused, forgive me. Going into the conformation ring is being shown.

The puppies are cute. Good luck with them.

Tammy corrected herself if post 31.

I agree the puppies are beautiful - I'd love to fly one over to live with me!