Vaccinations / Microchippng - Dangers - Beware
 

The other day I had a interesting discussion with a lady that is involved with Maltese and Yorkie rescue. She said that many dogs that are believed to have liver shunt actually do not. Apparently at A & M University they have done some liver biopsies and they are discovering that in some dogs the vaccinations are 'balling' up in the liver causing liver damage. I think she mentioned lepto was the main one causing the problem but I am not sure if that is the only one. Also, she said there have been several dogs that have died on the table while undergoing a liver biopsy. It really infuriates me that we are not being told the truth about what we are doing to our poor dogs. She also said there is evidence that the microchipping is causing cancer in dogs. I really wish we could get some honest answers on all these issues. We, the American public, are constantly being deceived by the medical and pharmaceutical companies.

Here is a interesting article on rabies vaccinations written by a vet.
http://malteserescue.us/shotprotocol.html

Another interesting article:
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/driscoll1.html

Here are some articles on microchipping:
http://www.balancednewsblog.com/2007...ausing-cancer/

http://doghealth1.com/?p=216

If you are a breeder and give your own vacciantions, please follow the new protocol and do not start vaccinations before 9 weeks and preferably wait longer. The lady I spoke with starts shots at 12 weeks and gives 1/2 doses. If you are a puppy buyer, question the people you get your puppy from. If they start vaccinating at 6 weeks then you might end up with a sick puppy. If you take your puppy to the vets then don't let them talk you into unnecessary vaccinations.

I know much of this has been discussed over and over again but I just had to vent. I am very concerned about all our fur babies.

Good post.:thumbup:

Ellie's bile acids went to 106, 45 days after a distemper vaccine.
She had reacted to the lepto a year before.

I'm of the same mindset about vaccinations causing harm to our dogs but good info is hard to come by. There is no consensus and it seems like every vet has different protocols. I administer my own vaccinations and start at 8 weeks and don't give the lepto. I'm also very concerned about flea and heartworm preventatives and am looking into safer alternatives. I have read that you can get elevated levels in a BAT due to recent vaccinations so there's another wrench in the works. It's confusing trying to figure out what is best for our babies but I'm convinced at this point that over-vaccinating and giving dogs poisons monthly (flea and heartworm preventatives) is not the way to go. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

You really have to wonder when the dogs when my parents were young didnt' get any of the above and never had any health issues.

I have also heard from a couple of breeders that give half doses, the logic being that since a Yorkie is so small, you don't want to give them as much as a bigger dog. With vaccinations, though, don't you need a certain count of the virus to provoke the immune system response, regardless of size? In this case, it seems to me that giving half doses of vaccine is a flawed logic but would love to hear other's input. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

Interesting. My pom died on the table during her liver biopsy in the fall but she was having it done at the state of the art er hospital and the trauma doctor was there and worked on her for some time and got her back. Cali has elevated Bile acids and a liver biopsy that showed such a mild MVD that she required no treatment so all her tests and biopsy were really of no value except to cause her stress and cost money.

I'm so sorry for your lost. Right now I have a very close friend who's 15 week old puppy died due liver shunt.

bjh thanks you for posting this I find you to be a very informative person. I feel as if all of you dog or other types of animal owners sometimes are against a wall of what you should do about your babies. I mean I'm looking for a Yorkie and I'm already worried about vaccinations. Not to mention microchipping. I don't know how you all do it. Vaccinations are even causing problem to us humans yet most parents still take the risk and vaccinate their children since no one really wants to tell us what really is going on.

I am concerned for all our human children. I have heard there is a link between the high rise of autism in children and vaccinations. It has also been noted that vaccinations can change the personality of your pet so it all makes sense to me. I wish you luck in your search for a Yorkie. Please take your time and try to get one from a reputable breeder.

I know what you are talking about there is this gene that is not awaken until the child gets a certain vaccination which triggers autism. However they have changed what caused it on vaccinations now with something else but who knows what other things can happen now. I am really going to take my time a close friend just lost her 15 week old Yorkie due to liver shunt and is in great pain. She was in disbelieve that this was happening to her for she did a lot of research the breeder is taking responsibility but still she is devastated.

So when do you start vaccinations? My puppies are 6 weeks old, and at 5 weeks they were at the vet with their mom and were given a small dose of worming medicine. Apparently the new protocol is to worm them more often until they are about 4 months old. What do you think of this? And even if you don't give the lepto, when do you start your vaccines?

I don't vaccinate mine until they are 11 or 12 weeks old. Some people start at 9 weeks. I have never hear of a protocol for worming. Did your puppies check positive for worms? If you dog does not have worms then you should not worm it. None of my puppies have tested positive for worms in years so I don't worm them. I have a stool sample checked by the vet sometimes to be sure. I do treat mine with Albon only if they start having loose stools.

Great post...:thumbup: :thumbup:
Really something to think about and research.
I warn everyone of my new furparents NO LEPTO.
And they ask..what if my vet wants to give it anyways.
Then go to another vet!!!
My vet does do the half doses on the small dogs.
Ive been wanting to research this area a lot more since coming to YT.
Thanks for the links

I do not start vaccines anymore.
I use to do them myself, as with the other animals BUT...
I soon was getting calls from upset new owners that their vets made them do it again. All states have different laws is my understanding....
And the vets said if they wernt done properly they wouldnt protect them anyways so....
Never mind the half doses for tiny pups they were getting DOUBLE!!!
So I stopped. :(
I tell them all about this and tell them you really need to take your new puppy to the vet ASAP to again get it checked over good, and start it shots....etc.
I always tell them up front. Alot of them called their vets first, and it was confirmed that the label on a card doesnt mean nothing to them.

None of my dogs have had worms. But I still worm ONCE around 10 weeks...
I've never had a puppy with worms. My dogs are all inside dogs.
I'm sure that has something to do with it...Or I am just pretty darn lucky

This is what was said by a vet and researcher at a seminar I attended a couple of years ago (he was with OSU, I think, I have the paperwork somewhere and need to look that up. I am 100% sure of his comments on the half doses, since it was a particular question of mine at the time.) His whole lecture was on immunizations, as that is his field of study. He said that many people are giving 1/2 doses to small dogs, even many vets are recommending it, but that they are erroneous in their thinking. He said for the vaccine to work, the full dose must be given, otherwise it does not provoke the immune system fully, so it's no better than not giving it at all.

This is the only info I have on it, and I realize it's not authoritative since I don't have the references. :)

vaccinations, shunts, and microchipping..... oh my
 

half dose vaccinating may reek more havoc if you all aren't careful...... pathogens that effect dogs are no different than those that routinely effect humans.....they mutate.....that is why our antibiotics are no longer effective against a plethora of illnesses..... Essentially, as the previous poster explained, the immune system needs a certain exposure rate to create an artificial immunity…. I never recommend half dosing, but I do push our vaccinations way back to week 12. Lepto is a no no always…. It is highly unlikely our dogs will be in contact with the virus, so we just don’t bother with it…. We generally give the first booster and send out a card with each buyer instructing their veterinarian what to do hence forth.... p.s. :eek: Vets love breeders instructing them:eek: …. Anyway, I digress into the holy land of vet-ingdom when I should be on the subject at hand…. As for PSS increase…. There is an increase in something digestive in nature; however, I am far from convinced that everything being labeled PSS is in reality… We do know there is a spike in puppies dying between 6 and 20 weeks. Lack of immunity, maybe…. Genetic Digestive Anomaly, probably….. I am also convinced if folks out there breeding are not testing each and every litter through routine fecals (looking for fatty deposits specifically) to determine if a sire / dam has an issue… we are only going to be treating a fast growing genetic disorder instead of controlling it through selective breeding….. Lastly, as for Microchipping, we routinely microchip everyone.... we have not noticed any problems so far except one puppy with a hard nodule at the injection site… This nodule has concerned me, but for now the owner’s are content with their veterinarian’s recommendation.... I did not implant the microchip, so have little insight on whether a problem exists or if it is due to incorrect placemen, tissue scaring, ect...…..

I have always given full doses and have just recently been hearing about people giving half doses. My vet gives half doses on the rabies shot and that is fine with me because I am not concerned with my dog getting that. I guess I will continue to do full doses of distemper and parvo until I find out more about the half dose suggestion.

As far as the mircochipping, it is still fairly new. What I had read the problems starts showing up 18 months or longer after the microchip is implanted. I think I will just pass on the microchip.

Puppies given Lepto shots can die from it and it will look like liver shunt. unless an autopsy is performed there is no way to know. i know someone who was told and signed a contract not to give a puppy a lepto shot, well someohow she did and the puppy was dead a few days later. they thought it had liver shunt but I am not sure.

I find this interesting. How can we then know the accuracy of the liver shunt statistics commonly mentioned? This comment and some other articles I have read make me wonder if some of the cases of 'mild liver shunt' are not actually reactions to vaccines. No one is going to be performing many autopsies on mild/moderate cases (bc they often live long lives anyway, particularly with diet modifications) so we really have no way of knowing if it is actually liver shunt or something else.

As far as a de-worming protocol in puppies goes, I start mine at 6 weeks and every 2 weeks after that until 3 months old. Most things you read and many labels advise starting at 3 weeks, then weekly until 6 weeks, then every 2 weeks after that. The protocol I use has always resulted in a clear fecal. Even if a dam doesn't show worms, they can be present in the walls of her intestines and become active due to higher metabolism while pregnant so I worm the dam at 45 days in her pregnancy. I use Nemex 2 on both the dam and her pups and worm her when I worm the pups as long as they're nursing. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

I never mentioned lepto. She gave her puppy the lepto shot herself?

No, I think she asked the vet to not give it but when her back was turned, it was given. not sure of all the details tho. The breeder was told it had LS and gave a full refund but after reading all this stuff today, i don't think so. who knows? If I had been the breeder, i would have voided the contract as soon as she said the lepto shot was given. i just mentioned the shot in my post because it can cause so many things and we will never truly know and I think someone above you mentioned lepto shots and Liver Shunt

If the vet I get did that I would seriously give him or her a piece of my mind. Who told the breeder it was liver shunt? How old was the puppy? How many days after the lepto shot was giving did the puppy die? I have read that it takes time for certain kinds of liver shunt to show up. Also I think that if there was or is solid proof that lepto causes liver shunt it would be taken out of the market or at least I hope so.

In my opinion I think your vet needs to study up on the newest recommendations on vaccinations. It is not recommended to get vaccinations that young. Just google 'danger canine vaccination' and start reading up. We are out in the country and there are very seldom any stray dogs around. I just don't hear about parvo in the area where we live. I have always been told that sick dogs get parvo and healthy dogs have a resistance to it. I try not to over vaccinate because that causes the dogs immune system to be compromised. I don't give heart worm preventative because my dogs stay in the house. I have never had any test positive for heart worms. I do use Advantage for fleas when necessary. I do not microchip.

I have read about interceptor are you happy with it? Your last sentence couldn't be more true.

In my opinion I think your vet needs to study up on the newest recommendations on vaccinations. It is not recommended to get vaccinations that young.

Well they may of read up on it since our last litter of puppies was June 21, 07.
Our City does require the Rabies so I have to get it even tho I may not want to, I just don't want my babies taken away from me due to me not doing what our City says to do. I'll find out if they've done any updating on shots when I take ours in for their yearly.

We are out in the country and there are very seldom any stray dogs around. I just don't hear about parvo in the area where we live.


Last Summer when we had our litter of puppies,1 of my oldest daughters' friends stopped by last year even with our Parvo sign up and walked into our garage and back to her truck, just before she left she told me that her Mother-In-Laws' baby poodles had Parvo and they was at the Vets that day and not expecting them to make it, scared me to death even tho ours had their 2 set of shots & never went into our garage. I sprayed bleach every where she stepped all the way down our drive way and out to the road, needless to say my older girls thought I was batty but I don't care.

Our back yard has a privacy fence but out front yard has none yet and yes there are stray dogs here, if I catch any here in my yard I run them off and I've even have people walking their dogs and allow them to poo & pee in my yard, I go out and tell them I have Yorkies and I don't allow them to potty in other peoples' yard, don't let U're dogs potty in mine.

2 Summers ago I had a couple just stop every single day and let their big male dog (Don't know what kind it is) pee on my Rose Of Sharon bush at the corner of our yard (Teddy wanted to mark it every time he went outside so I was also fighting with him not to) needless to say we went around. They finally gave up and stopped. It really bothers me when others disrespect others by doing this, we take our Yorkies on walks but we have doggie bags and most of the time they do it on the sidewalk (& we pick it up) as I will not allow them in other peoples yards. We're hoping to get our front yard fenced in this year.

I have always been told that sick dogs get parvo and healthy dogs have a resistance to it.

Really I hope it is true about the Healthy dogs has a resistance to it maybe that why we've never had it here at our house.

I try not to over vaccinate because that causes the dogs immune system to be compromised.

Can I ask how it comprosmises their immune system? I never knew this so I would like to learn more about it. I read how old U're babies are when U start U're shots, can I ask how old they are when U adopted them out to their forever homes or let them leave to go to their forever homes? And do they have all their shots before they leave? Do U ship U're babies?


We've never had any with heart worm either.

I do use Advantage for fleas when necessary.

We use to use Frontline Plus, but Hubby got something last summer to put on our yard and it killed our fleas and we never had any after he put it on our yard, (We don't allow our Yorkies in the yard for like 3 days after he applies it and he does it right before it rains so it will soak in) so now we just use this and I don't have to treat our Yorkies for fleas and we had them bad outside as we have sandy soil.

I will google and read up on it all. Thanks so much for U're answers to my questions. And all U're helpful info :) .

Yes I'm happy with it so far, we haven't seen anything bad with our Yorkies no reactions to it at all in any of our Yorkies, puppies or adults (Not saying they won't ever have a reaction to it.) and we've been using it for almost 3 years now only in the summer months and ours have never had a heart worm one, and this is what our Vet recomends here for us in our City/State (U need to ask U're Vet about what they think would be good for U're Yorkie for U to use) if U could only see what heart worm does to their hearts it's bad, our Vet has one in a jar in their office. It's nasty to see but a reality what mosquitoes can do to them. This is the ONLY reason I use Interceptor, not for the wormer in it, it's for the heart worm protection in it.

We start our puppies on it at age 8 weeks old and they must be at least 2lbs in weight. This what our Vet recomends. I wait about a week after their shots to start them on it.

Now keep in mind this is just us here for our Yorkies, others may not agree with us using this. If not can I ask why and what do U use to prevent heart worms in U're Yorkies due to mosquitoes? And why do U use this product? I'd also like to learn more on this too.

I did a search on Interceptor and found this site on it and it sounds pretty informative. And it does have it's pros and cons just like about anything else out there. I hope this may help U some. :)

http://www.interceptor.novartis.us/dog/en/label.shtml

I have always used Sentinnel on our adult yorkies. We haven't had any problems, but am wondering if anyone else has had trouble with this product. We have heartworm in our area and fleas can be anywhere in the grass. So I really like the double action of this once a month product. Anyone else using this product??

How do you figure microchipping is fairly new, my 10 year old yorkies are microchipped and were chipped when they were puppies, I do not consider 10 years as being fairly new. All my dogs are microchipped, except for the new puppies, that will be chipped as soon as they are big enough. I have never had any problems with microchipping, and I feel better knowing that if they disappear, the odds are favorable that I have a chance of them eventually being returned.