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pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 05:28 AM
My Female is on heat
 
Hi all, I am new here,... I have a little problem that I am seeking help. I have 3 yorkies, one girl who is in her heat, 2 boys. They are all not spayed or neutered, coz I intend to breed them. They all have been tested for any health problems and all 3 pass. My female came into heat about 5 days ago, my 1st male have been wanting to breed her even when shes not even in heat yet. Then, stoped when she started bleeding. She seems interested on my 2nd male and she started to hump him. Now, he don't wanna do anything to her. I always keep them separated until last night, she got out from the kitchen. All 3 of them had been together. My question is, can anything happen between them 3? Did any breeding took place? I know I am not supposed to breed until 7-10 days when shes on heat but, she got out. :eek: is there any test for her to know if shes been breed?

Ellie May 03-19-2008 05:35 AM
Welcome to YT:)

Could you please list the health tests that have been done?

They NEED to be separated, so someone can hold them during the tie, otherwise, they could get injured.

hha 03-19-2008 05:42 AM
How old are these 3?

pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 05:46 AM
Hips (OFA or PennHip) Patella


Eyes (CERF)


Thyroid

Genetics


I think there is more, but I cannot remember.
They are separated but, last night.
My female is 3yrs old. And this would be her 4th heat. I have not breed her yet. So, do you think there was a breeding took place?

pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 05:46 AM
girl-3
1st boy-4
2nd boy-2

pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 05:49 AM
i was in the other forum, and they had told me to leave it to them, natural behavior will take place. That dog's know how to do it, they have been doing it for centuries... :confused:

pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 05:50 AM
so.., what will happen if left unattended and breed?

Ellie May 03-19-2008 05:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pirate_momyorki (Post 1859610)
Hips (OFA or PennHip) Patella


Eyes (CERF)


Thyroid

Genetics


I think there is more, but I cannot remember.
They are separated but, last night.
My female is 3yrs old. And this would be her 4th heat. I have not breed her yet. So, do you think there was a breeding took place?

Wow, good to hear.
Specifically though, has a bile acid test been done on all three of them and are their lines clear of LS?

She has not been in heat long enough to get pregnant.
Isn't 9-11 days best? Correct me if I'm wrong???

pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 05:56 AM
yes, she has been tested on that to.
so, shes not pregnant yet? whew...!
good to hear that

Ellie May 03-19-2008 05:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pirate_momyorki (Post 1859615)
i was in the other forum, and they had told me to leave it to them, natural behavior will take place. That dog's know how to do it, they have been doing it for centuries... :confused:
Yes, that is common, especially for people who don't breed or don't breed small dogs. It can be okay but why allow it to happen if injury can occur? The breeders here will know more about it but one of the concerns is when they tie the female sometimes drags the male around and it can break a bone in his penis.:eek:

Letting nature take its course is usually not a good idea in Yorkies because their pregnancies are high risk/c-sections are required often.

EmrldShdwQueen 03-19-2008 05:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 1859622)
Wow, good to hear.
Specifically though, has a bile acid test been done on all three of them and are their lines clear of LS?

She has not been in heat long enough to get pregnant.
Isn't 9-11 days best? Correct me if I'm wrong???
Yes, they're not fertile until about 10 days in.

pirate_momyorki 03-19-2008 06:14 AM
I was just reading the other posts...
It says "they breed"
This, this mean they assists? Holding the female?

niki35010 03-19-2008 06:39 AM
Every female is different....I didn't think my two were going to do anything at all, but my male would not do anything but sniff her until he knew she was ready....I keep mine seperated until I know I can be there to hold them after they tie, because they can really get hurt....and it being her first time she might be a little snippy and she might not. My little girl was not ready to take until day 12...I read someones post a while back and their female would not take until day 15...so you neve rknow.

MyFairLacy 03-19-2008 08:35 AM
If she is in fact pregnant, it sounds like you'll have to do a DNA test on each puppy to find out who the sire is. If both dogs are breeding her, she can have puppies from each sire in the same litter.

YorkyDiva 03-19-2008 08:43 AM
Yes, it is possible that the female could have been bred by both males when left together overnite. And it is possible that you did not notice the exact day your dog came into her season and your count could be off a day or 2, therefore resulting in the possibility of her being bred overnite. DNA will have to be done to determine the sire of each puppy if you are intending to register the puppies. The dam and both sires and all puppies will have to be DNA'd.
Good luck. You can call AKC for more details @ 919-233-9767

Peters 03-19-2008 10:51 AM
you should do plenty of research before breeding!

TeddyandTiffy 03-19-2008 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pirate_momyorki (Post 1859587)
Hi all, I am new here,... I have a little problem that I am seeking help. I have 3 yorkies, one girl who is in her heat, 2 boys. They are all not spayed or neutered, coz I intend to breed them. They all have been tested for any health problems and all 3 pass. My female came into heat about 5 days ago, my 1st male have been wanting to breed her even when shes not even in heat yet. Then, stoped when she started bleeding. She seems interested on my 2nd male and she started to hump him. Now, he don't wanna do anything to her. I always keep them separated until last night, she got out from the kitchen. All 3 of them had been together. My question is, can anything happen between them 3? Did any breeding took place? I know I am not supposed to breed until 7-10 days when shes on heat but, she got out. :eek: is there any test for her to know if shes been breed?
Can I ask why U didn't put U're female in a crate to where no males could get to her??? I mean are U trying or asking for both males to mate her? I don't understand why U would would even allow this, I mean if both males got to her then how would U know who is the father? Please for the sake of U're Yorkies don't breed yet, read and learn more. Tested??? Okay that's good but allowing 2 males to be able to get to U're female is a red flag to me saying U're not ready to be a breeder yet...U need to find out ALL about it 1st then breed them the right way! I just had our female Sage go out of heat her 1st heat, our boys STILL isn't allowed around her yet for we don't want any puppies this year and I kept our 2 boys in our living room in playpens with 2 gates up at 2 different doors and guess what not either one of my boys got to her, it's U're responsiblity as a breeder to see that things like this is done RIGHT!

MindieRose 03-20-2008 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1860662)
Can I ask why U didn't put U're female in a crate to where no males could get to her??? I mean are U trying or asking for both males to mate her? I don't understand why U would would even allow this, I mean if both males got to her then how would U know who is the father? Please for the sake of U're Yorkies don't breed yet, read and learn more. Tested??? Okay that's good but allowing 2 males to be able to get to U're female is a red flag to me saying U're not ready to be a breeder yet...U need to find out ALL about it 1st then breed them the right way! I just had our female Sage go out of heat her 1st heat, our boys STILL isn't allowed around her yet for we don't want any puppies this year and I kept our 2 boys in our living room in playpens with 2 gates up at 2 different doors and guess what not either one of my boys got to her, it's U're responsiblity as a breeder to see that things like this is done RIGHT!
This seems a little harsh. She came here asking questions and being very openminded, I dont think she should be repremanded for it. Why would you TRY to make someone feel stupid? :confused:
Sometimes (well a lot of times!) the hostility in this forum is overwhelming. I think it makes people NOT want to ask questions because they will be jumped all over. If breeders really wanted to help the breed, they will be kind and give gentle advice to inexperienced breeders, not yell at them. I wouldnt be surprised if she turns tail and runs now and just wings it from here.

niki35010 03-20-2008 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 1862025)
This seems a little harsh. She came here asking questions and being very openminded, I dont think she should be repremanded for it. Why would you TRY to make someone feel stupid? :confused:
Sometimes (well a lot of times!) the hostility in this forum is overwhelming. I think it makes people NOT want to ask questions because they will be jumped all over. If breeders really wanted to help the breed, they will be kind and give gentle advice to inexperienced breeders, not yell at them. I wouldnt be surprised if she turns tail and runs now and just wings it from here.

I totally agree with you!!! From the get go I have been spoken to VERY harshly! Luckily I don't give a you know what what people say to me that are like that! I take the good advice and listen to the people that want to help instead of being ugly about it...because people that write back negative posts they just get blocked and they don't get read so they are sitting there just typing away and it doesn't do a bit of good...so I get a lot of entertainment out of this website also!

chrislynn5 03-20-2008 05:10 AM
I as well as the others have been getting negative feedback when asking questions. We come here to find out important info. Ya'll act like we aren't doing our research....if we weren't doing research..then why the heck are we here!!!!! Not for our healths

bjh 03-20-2008 05:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1862040)
I totally agree with you!!! From the get go I have been spoken to VERY harshly! Luckily I don't give a you know what what people say to me that are like that! I take the good advice and listen to the people that want to help instead of being ugly about it...because people that write back negative posts they just get blocked and they don't get read so they are sitting there just typing away and it doesn't do a bit of good...so I get a lot of entertainment out of this website also!
I really don't see anyone being harsh but just showing major concern. I just don't think we have enough information from the OP to know exactly what she is trying to achieve. As for you, niki35010, yes some people have been a little harsh on you but it is not because they are trying to be mean but because of their love and concern for the breed. There are many knowledgeable, experienced, Yorkie breeders here on YT and we don't always agree with each other and sometimes we have some heated discussions but we always try to keep an open mind and don't totally shut out the other person just because we don't like or agree with what they say. I have been raising Yorkies for 12 years and I have learned many new things since joining YT. You may call it cute, blocking certain members, but I call it naive. I sincerely wish you and your dogs the best and I am glad you are still here but I am disappointed you are shutting out some the most knowledgeable breeders.

bjh 03-20-2008 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pirate_momyorki (Post 1859587)
Hi all, I am new here,... I have a little problem that I am seeking help. I have 3 yorkies, one girl who is in her heat, 2 boys. They are all not spayed or neutered, coz I intend to breed them. They all have been tested for any health problems and all 3 pass. My female came into heat about 5 days ago, my 1st male have been wanting to breed her even when shes not even in heat yet. Then, stoped when she started bleeding. She seems interested on my 2nd male and she started to hump him. Now, he don't wanna do anything to her. I always keep them separated until last night, she got out from the kitchen. All 3 of them had been together. My question is, can anything happen between them 3? Did any breeding took place? I know I am not supposed to breed until 7-10 days when shes on heat but, she got out. :eek: is there any test for her to know if shes been breed?
It is possible that your female got breed but most females would not allow it that early in the heat cycle but you can never know for sure. Male sperm can live for up to a week so even though she might now be ready now, if a male bred her she can still be impregnated 5 days from now, even without being bred again. Are your dogs registered? Is there one male your want to breed her to? It is good that you are trying to keep her separated and I do understand that Yorkies can escape. You just have to take extra precautions to keep them apart. Your female will be in heat for a total of 21 day so it is important to keep them apart that long. You will want to just put the male and female together around the 10th day and see if they will breed. You should alway be there to supervise so neither male or female will get hurt.

Did you get your Yorkies as adults or have you had them since they were puppies? I gather that you have never breed any of them yourself so do you know if any of them have been used for breeding before? We will be glad to help you all we can and there much to learn. Any input from you would be helpful.

EmrldShdwQueen 03-20-2008 06:52 AM
Sigh...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nevermind...

MyFairLacy 03-20-2008 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1862103)
I really don't see anyone being harsh but just showing major concern. I just don't think we have enough information from the OP to know exactly what she is trying to achieve. As for you, niki35010, yes some people have been a little harsh on you but it is not because they are trying to be mean but because of their love and concern for the breed. There are many knowledgeable, experienced, Yorkie breeders here on YT and we don't always agree with each other and sometimes we have some heated discussions but we always try to keep an open mind and don't totally shut out the other person just because we don't like or agree with what they say. I have been raising Yorkies for 12 years and I have learned many new things since joining YT. You may call it cute, blocking certain members, but I call it naive. I sincerely wish you and your dogs the best and I am glad you are still here but I am disappointed you are shutting out some the most knowledgeable breeders.
:thumbup: Just because someone tells you something you don't want to hear doesn't mean they are being "mean" or "harsh"...some things need to be said. And why continue to advise and help people breed for the wrong reasons? I'm more than willing to give help and give advise to someone willing to learn (no matter what the topic), but it seems like many people just don't really want advise.

Woogie Man 03-20-2008 09:31 AM
I've read that once a female reaches about 3 years and hasn't been bred that the uterine tissues start to toughen up and lose some of their elasticity. This could create problems if she were to become pregnant. If I'm wrong on this one, maybe someone will correct me on this. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

MyFairLacy 03-20-2008 09:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 1862582)
I've read that once a female reaches about 3 years and hasn't been bred that the uterine tissues start to toughen up and lose some of their elasticity. This could create problems if she were to become pregnant. If I'm wrong on this one, maybe someone will correct me on this. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)
I'm not sure about that but at about three years of age the pelvic symphysis calcifies. It basically sets the bones at this point. So if the dog hasn't already given birth before then, the birth canal may stay small and not widen as well during birth making the risk greater for a c-section

Gazou 03-20-2008 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by niki35010 (Post 1862040)
I totally agree with you!!! From the get go I have been spoken to VERY harshly! Luckily I don't give a you know what what people say to me that are like that! I take the good advice and listen to the people that want to help instead of being ugly about it...because people that write back negative posts they just get blocked and they don't get read so they are sitting there just typing away and it doesn't do a bit of good...so I get a lot of entertainment out of this website also!
On a forum you can't always expect peoples telling you that you are right when you do something wrong . Different peoples , different opinions . It would be extremely boring if peoples agreed on everything said .

Ellie May 03-20-2008 11:26 AM
I concur with Woogie Man and My Fair Lacy about the first pregnancy after age three. It is much better to start when they are younger.

cooperk 03-20-2008 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 1862840)
I concur with Woogie Man and My Fair Lacy about the first pregnancy after age three. It is much better to start when they are younger.
What is a "safer" age to begin breeding, then? My guess would be after age 1? Perhaps their second heat?

txshopper73 03-20-2008 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1859956)
If she is in fact pregnant, it sounds like you'll have to do a DNA test on each puppy to find out who the sire is. If both dogs are breeding her, she can have puppies from each sire in the same litter.
With that said, you will not be able to register the litter if there are multiple sires.

Good luck!


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