Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1801145)

For me personally:

Sells "Teacups". Even says "Breeders of Tiny Yorkies" at top of home page
Kennel Situation (not automatically a red flag, but I prefer home-raised)
Dams are 3-6lbs (5-7lbs is preferred..no smaller than 4.5lbs should be bred)
Sires are 2-4lbs (all tiny)
12 dams on site (not automatically a red flag but that's a LOT of females IMO)
Dogs do not meet the standard..clearly not of quality for breeding
Most dams do not look well-groomed
6 sires on site (not automatically a red flag but that's a LOT of studs IMO)
Puppies from 6 different litters for sale at once
Selling a "rare chocolate" (not even a chocolate...looks like a blue born)
Puppies look poorly bred
Selling "breeding stock" males
Sells on full registration w/ no questions asked
Can paypal a deposit straight from the website
1 year guarantee for only "life-threatening" defects. Requires puppy be returned or will only give a partial refund

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1803572)

Let's say you have a beautiful champion dog bred by someone else and you bred that dog with one of your females in you breeding program and there was a liver shunt puppy produced from that breeding. You say you would neuter you entire breed stock that was related to you female and the breeders of the champion male would have to neuter every dog they have related to that male or they would be unethical?

Originally Posted by BakersDozen (Post 1803528)

I assume when you refer to liver shunt as a genetic issue you must be referring to single congenital portosystemic shunts. These, I believe, have been shown by Dr. Tobias to be inherited. However, it is important to note that not ALL liver shunts are without doubt genetic. Liver shunts in dogs can be acquired (usually these are multiple shunts, seen in older dogs, and secondary to another health problem). They are not the type of shunt we usually hear about when talking about Yorkies and liver shunt, usually we are referring to single congenital portosystemic shunts.

I agree with you that dogs with liver shunt shouldn't be bred (better safe than sorry, I think). But I just wanted to point out that, depending on the shunt, it's possible that it's not genetic. So it really can't reasonably be stated that a breeder, in every instance, has to remove the dog from their breeding program. It is definitely a matter for extensive research and consideration. I personally wouldn't breed them again, but since with some shunts the research is not definitive, I can see how others decision might differ.

Please know that I am not trying to disagree with you, I do agree. Just wanted to clarify. :)

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1804465)

I believe MVD can be aquired :) but also I would try to elimate from a breeding program if discovered

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Originally Posted by tumismom (Post 1804500)

hmm..what happened to OP?

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1804465)

I believe MVD can be aquired :) but also I would try to elimate from a breeding program if discovered

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Originally Posted by Susan123 (Post 1801620)

I'm sorry ALOT of people at YT have poor representations of the breed. I hoope you don't insult those (I know she's a breeder and most others purchased there dogs, given) but there are breeders with dogs like this too.

Geez, if you weren't slammed before, you have been now. Why don't we just run her off along and she'll never learn anything, and keep breeding these dogs. At least she's here and can listen.

The facts are there, Bleu is sick. I have to say and everyone should already know this - Even the best of breeders over time will have something pop up. And of course the parents spayed/neutered.

Her website leaves a lot to desire, T-cups, prices (for these types of dogs)rare chocolates and such. Big no no's. Really big is the fact that she's still breeding the parents.

There's no need to be a pit of vipers. Everything can be said tactfully, no wonder everyone is scared to ask a question.

OP: Bleu is sick with a congenital defect. You need to stop breeding his parents. No one wants to sentence a puppy to the kind of life his body has had to endure. As for your others, I don't think they are good representations of the breed. And "T-cup" is a buzz word, a tool to have uneducated buyers come in and buy. I strongly recommend cleaning up your program, starting over with a couple of dogs (new dogs, know their lines and be sure their healthy and adhere to the standard) and yes, you could change your reputation here on YT with time and effort. It's only going to be changed by the dogs breed and ethics.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1803344)

Only comment I will make is this....if your knowingly breeding yorkies that are producing genetic health issues spay and neuter and if you still want to breed start over and do more studying and research pedigrees and get with a reputable mentor and do it right. To continue to breed genetic health issues is unethical for your breeding program and the buying public.
Liver Shunt is a genetic health issue regardless and if your breeding it you are unethical to your breeding program and the buying public as with any other genetic health issue. Plain and simple!

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Originally Posted by love_me_cody (Post 1804615)

This may be on or off topic, I'm not sure...
But because you aren't sure which ancestor gave any of the genetic effects, would you stay away from all of the lines in their lineage? (Only if you can't find the relative that gave the effect)

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1805098)

Not necessarily. I would for sure spay and neuter the sire and bitch. But if you do your research and know the breeder and what they've produced and have done all the necessary testing then really you shouldn't have to worry about shunts or other genetic health issues. What I"m trying to say is this...If you are breeding correctly and all the testing has been done and if for some reason something arises you elimate it from your breeding program ie...all puppies from that litter, sire and dam and stop producing it. If you have to start over your breeding program then so be it. Most reputable breeders if something has arisen in their breeding program has stopped it and elimated it from their breeding program. I hope that made sense...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's

Originally Posted by kelkiss5 (Post 1805120)

Donna would a breeder try and breed genetic health issues out of their breeding programme. I mean, if you had a litter, and only 1 puppy presented any difficulties, from a long line. Would they go ahead and breed the healthy pups. Just a curious question??? I hope this makes snese