Do you breeders really make no money at all from breeding??

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by niki35010

I will never believe that people that have more than one female and breed them and sell their puppies for 1000-2000..does not make any money. If you show them and have to purchase all of the showing fees...etc...then maybe not but for the ones that don't show and sell their puppies for that much....MAKES NO SENSE!!!! Just say that you have 2 females and they have 4 puppies each...=8 puppies..and say that you sell each of them for $1000 ea. You made $8000....ok say that they have a c-section and that was 2000....you still have $6000....You made money!!!!!!!!

A dog from a show breeders line will be at least $2000.
If you have two breeding females and one male that is $6000.
So you are already $6000 in the hole and those would be some cheap dogs.
Add $500 per dog to do testing.
Now you are $7500 in the hole.
Between food and treats it costs about $100 a year per dog.
Even if you sold your breeding dogs after they were done producing at about 6 years old you would have to pay $100 a year for food and treats for each dog. That is $600 per dog, so now you are $9300 in the hole.
Then you have yearly vet checks for these three breeders. Shots, bloodwork, heartworm med, flea med, urinalysis... This would be about $225 a year not including dentals.
Now you are $9975 down.
Dentals would be about $150-$200 per dog when needed.
Then you have shots for pups and dewclawa and tails and vet checks.
Then there are c-sections.
What if one of your dogs needs LP surgery?
That would be another couple thousand.
How about if one of the pups has a liver shunt?
You would end up paying between $2000-$3000 for testing and treatment.
This doesn't include toys, bedding, clothes, leashes, harnesses, crates, registration fees, buying more dogs to breed, missing work to watch puppies...
And then there will always be girls who have one litter and then have to be spayed. So it is very easy to make no money.

[bchgirl]

I would venture to say....the reasons some people become md doctors may vary, but I am fairly certain the reason one becomes a vet...is a love of animals, not the $$.

Personally I have always thought a veterinarian has to be smarter than a MD...a vet's patients can't talk.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

I would venture to say....the reasons some people become md doctors may vary, but I am fairly certain the reason one becomes a vet...is a love of animals, not the $$.

Personally I have always thought a veterinarian has to be smarter than a MD...a vet's patients can't talk.

Good point, they can't talk.
They aren't just dealing with one species either...

[lisatodd]

Originally Posted by niki35010

I will never believe that people that have more than one female and breed them and sell their puppies for 1000-2000..does not make any money. If you show them and have to purchase all of the showing fees...etc...then maybe not but for the ones that don't show and sell their puppies for that much....MAKES NO SENSE!!!! Just say that you have 2 females and they have 4 puppies each...=8 puppies..and say that you sell each of them for $1000 ea. You made $8000....ok say that they have a c-section and that was 2000....you still have $6000....You made money!!!!!!!!

the industry right now is flooded with yorkies. have you not seen the thousands of yorkies that are up for adoption now across the us now? there are thousands and some are not getting more than 500 for them. most are poorly bred.
some people cannot even find a suitable home for their yorkies.
take a look at the industry.

[EmrldShdwQueen]

Originally Posted by niki35010

I will never believe that people that have more than one female and breed them and sell their puppies for 1000-2000..does not make any money. If you show them and have to purchase all of the showing fees...etc...then maybe not but for the ones that don't show and sell their puppies for that much....MAKES NO SENSE!!!! Just say that you have 2 females and they have 4 puppies each...=8 puppies..and say that you sell each of them for $1000 ea. You made $8000....ok say that they have a c-section and that was 2000....you still have $6000....You made money!!!!!!!!

Wow, you're in for a rude awakening...

[kelkiss5]

That's so sad Lisa. OMG you would very rarely find a yorkie in a shelter here. Its like a big fad in the states to have the latest fashion accessory, and at the minute it seems to be toy dogs. And a lot of these people who get these toy dogs, just get fed up and I guess that's how they end up in shelters. Thank goodness it isn't a big thing here, or we would have a lot more yorkies and other small breeds in the local shelter.

[niki35010]

I tried to rescue a yorkie for months but could not find one anywhere around here!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by niki35010

I tried to rescue a yorkie for months but could not find one anywhere around here!

LOL...you just didn't know where to look. However, most rescue organizations will not adopt out to famlies w/ small children and NONE of them are going to place a dog w/out altering it so it can't be bred first. So you may have had a rough time in any case. If you ever want to adopt (or know someone else who does) in the future, let me know as I can definately put you in touch w/ some people who could help you out.

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

LOL...you just didn't know where to look. However, most rescue organizations will not adopt out to famlies w/ small children and NONE of them are going to place a dog w/out altering it so it can't be bred first. So you may have had a rough time in any case. If you ever want to adopt (or know someone else who does) in the future, let me know as I can definately put you in touch w/ some people who could help you out.

Wish i lived near you. . I would sooo love to adopt a yorkie from a shelter. I think if we had any over here, I would have a house full. But its a good thing that we dont.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by kelkiss5

Wish i lived near you. . I would sooo love to adopt a yorkie from a shelter. I think if we had any over here, I would have a house full. But its a good thing that we dont.

I know what you mean about having a house full--I do alot of work w/ the local Basset rescue and it is SO hard to say no to one of those sad faces sometimes.
Wow...that's awesome that you don't have shelters overflowing with unwanted pooches of any breed.
I would consider the lack of homeless pets to be a very GOOD thing.

My friend/neighbor is actually getting a Shih Tzu in 2 weeks from a lady I know who works in toy breed rescue that I introduced her too. In my area, Shih Tzu's seem to be another breed find their way to rescues, paying the price for being a mass bred fad.

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I know what you mean about having a house full--I do alot of work w/ the local Basset rescue and it is SO hard to say no to one of those sad faces sometimes.
Wow...that's awesome that you don't have shelters overflowing with unwanted pooches of any breed.
I would consider the lack of homeless pets to be a very GOOD thing.

My friend/neighbor is actually getting a Shih Tzu in 2 weeks from a lady I know who works in toy breed rescue that I introduced her too. In my area, Shih Tzu's seem to be another breed find their way to rescues, paying the price for being a mass bred fad.

Oh we do have overflowing dog shelters, am just saying that it is very rare to find a yorkie in them. Actually I went to the dog race track at the weekend, and it made me think about all those unwanted greyhounds, you no after they have finished racing, they end up in shelters. I asked hubby to think about adopting 1, he said I was nuts, that we wouldnt have any room left on our bed. . But all joking aside, It is something i would really love to do.

Also a lot of people around my area have, Shih,tzus. the place is overloaded with them. A lady who lives behind me let hers sit at the front door alday long, you know wonder about. And she wonders why it went MISSING.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by kelkiss5

Actually I went to the dog race track at the weekend, and it made me think about all those unwanted greyhounds, you no after they have finished racing, they end up in shelters.

My aunt is nuts about greyhounds like we all are about Yorkies. She fell in love with one that came into the shelter where she worked. Over the past 15 years she's adopted 8 altogether...I think...

Ah, but I"m off topic...surprise, surprise ....sorry....

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ah, but I"m off topic...surprise, surprise ....sorry....

Fits right in with the rest of this thread...

[niki35010]

Sorry I wanted to start a new topic not post in this

[Mya's_Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

And I kindly ask you not to make assumptions that because I didn't comment on every aspect of your post(s) that they were disreguarded as that was not the case. Also, please don't make assumptions that I assumed you would do anything but what is best for the puppies. I am glad that you know Mya's genetic backgroud....I would HOPE that is a given for anyone who decides to breed. I regards to my "follwing the foot steps" comment I believe that you stated that your reason for doing several things (pricing) was because that was what was common in pets stores...my point was, why would you try to mirror a pet store?

Asking ONE thousand dollars LESS for a puppy is not mirroring a pet store, not selling a puppy from a puppy mill but rather a loving home is not mirroring a pet store. It seems you missed MY POINT.