Oh... thanks for reminding me to buy some marshies... I wanted to make some treats later on....

I'll say this...I am not opposed to someone making money. My concern will be solely limited to purchasing a puppy from someone whose breeding program entails everything I am seeking. Will I pay an additional amount to obtain it...yes and fully expect to.


I agree to some degree YT offers a false sense of security. Comes to back to....the same lecture....know your breeder.

Wish I knew how to just break even LOL but it's almost impossible since I'm not a puppy factory and only have "maybe" one litter a year LOL.

Donna

question here,,what type of breeder would be USDA licensed and WHY? and please,, if you can help me find a reputable show breeder I could buy an AKC female with full registration from,,I'd SO love that,, i hunted for several years and got astronomical pricing,, i'm talking $6K to $10K for a 12 week old puppy! so if you can point me in the right direction I'd LOVE IT!! always room for one more in my home and heart!
as for breeders,, i've yet to find ONE i totally agree with on everything,,

as for readers here,, lol I agree ,, Interesting Reading!! :animal-pa

There is the problem-- I think it's fairly safe to say you will NEVER find a reputable show breeder willing to just sell you a girl on full registration, no questions asked. It's just not going to happen. Reputable breeders work long and hard to get where they are and are not willing to just hand over their hard work over to a stranger.
Your best bet is to attend some shows. Introduce yourself, explain your goals and ask for help and guidance. And take the initiative to educate yourself as much as you can without waiting on them. (Not that you are not/have not already.)

You'd be correct!!!
I won't sell on full registration and I'm reputable

Donna

I know USDA requires dogs to be in a seperate building. They are also categorized in clubs as commercial breeders and won't be accepted. Many people automaticaly scream puppymill. Many puppymills are USDA licensed. But that's painting with a very broad brush. I'm against stereotyping period even in the yorkies world. There's always someone or a group that'll prove you wrong.

I can ask $1500 because the local pet stores are selling yorkies for 23 to 25 hundred with NO PAPERS or history. I will get that price, everyone wants a little Mya. She is so mellow. I am lucky that I found a Sire that has the same no need to bark attitude.

I wouldn't doubt that coming to this site will and has made "some" become breeders...because they think there is a buck to be made and friends to be had. I am just as offended by people who decide to breed thier pet just because they can, and wonder what they are thinking :confused: Good information is here though, think long and hard, buyer beware!

No papers, no problem for me.
 

People have been begging me for puppies for 2 years. She is one popular Brampton, Ontario dog *big smile*

LOL.. How many pet stores are out there. I see that you're in Canada? I believe there is no pet stores in Austin (because of some type of law) so I never been to one.

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I'm just glad my thoughts were able to get out there and many people will be able to see and think twice about a breeder. Just because they are friendly and people refer then, it doesn't mean that they are good. Most referrals happen after they just get the puppy and not after a while. When ever some one refer someone they should include 'so far' first. lol

Yes I'm glad you were able to get this off your chest so to speak, and am guessing there is a story behind your concern, and I agree I hope people are careful.

i sure dont make anything sometimes i ask why am i doing this:confused:

I have never met a breeder (and I have Met alot) That has made money on what they do. If the did really I would not want to know them....

This is definately interesting reading and a debate at most. But if a breeder says and has the paperwork of their testing are you still supposed to imply or think that it is falseified? And how come someone that is a stay at home mom or wife can't breed yorkies if it is in fact to better the breeds standards? How do you know that her husband provides well enough that she doesnt have to work? Also what you may think is not of quality dog isn't that just an opinion because everyone thinks their dog is the cutiest or the most adorable or handsome?

ROFLMAO hehehehehe funny!!!! did you see the Peeps thread???

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again, just my opinion. But sometimes people let friendship blind them to what is true. At least 6 people share my beliefs and this that's all that I was stating, my belief in what is happening.

Yes and also a sign of a BYB.

WEll I have not used this site yet to sell a litter,but have sold litters in the past,just not on here.I price my pups the same as what I paid for my breeding female.1,100.00 and breeding male.900.00.Yes I could go up,considering I have had so many breeders in my area tell me they get 1,500.00,but I also think I like to make them some what affordable.I have not made my money back on anything yet that's for sure!!LOL:)

I would agree, very good reading. I think this is the first thread I have read about such a touchy subject that people are not a each others throat. Some good opinions tho, this is how we learn!!:thumbup:

:lol tears Make money?!! You jest!! I'd love to show you my credit card bill!! All transactions say Animal Hospital at the Narrows (my vet).

LOL you guys are a trip!LOL

LOL.... I didn't know you were a breeder. I wasn't talking about every breeder. Just some.... And if you'll love to show it, I'll love to see it. lol

I think this cute little note sums it up quite well for show breeders:
Why Show People End up Broke

The Most Expensive Collar you ever bought?

Why of course ..that very first Show collar!

How it all began?

In the Beginning...
You got your dog, a real show dog, and quickly realized that you needed the
Correct collar to show him on. Which in turn led you to that wonderful
Buttery smooth three foot leather lead.

At your very first show, you noticed that you just HAD to have the proper
Grooming supplies also....
Slicker Brush $9.00
Comb $10.00
Spray Bottle $4.00
Good Conditioner $15.00
Water Bottle $4.00
Pin Brush $15.00
Bait $10.00
NEW Collar(your dog has now out grown that first one)$14.00 Chalk $9.00
Chalk Brush $15.00 Cholesterol $10.00

YOUR FIRST POINT.*****YOU'RE HOOKED****** ** Bait $10.00 Dog show calendar
$12.00-don't want to miss ANY s hows now.

By now you're beginning to realize the back seat isn't a proper way to
Transport your dog.
Dog Crate for the car $80.00

At your very next show you begin to feel a bit more confident and relaxed at
Dog shows.
Borrowing and waiting to use your friends grooming table is so
Inconvenient. ...
Grooming Table $95.00
Grooming Arm $50.00
Bait $10.00

You begin to start collecting dog show things, old towels, skirts with
Pockets, dresses with pockets, good comfortable shoes, rain gear, umbrellas,
Water jugs, etc $100.00

Now you have too many grooming supplies?...
Tack Box to store and hold the supplies $50.00

Good comfortable Camp Chairs $35.00-we seem to be spending much more time at
Shows lately.

Suddenly you realize all of these items AND your dog don't fit in the family
Car anymore....
Used Mini Van $15,000.

Somewhere around this point you get ! Tired of waiting to use your friends
Blow dryer....
New blow dryer $150.00
Extension Cord for Dryer $15.00
Five-way plug for sharing electricity with your new dog show friends $10.00
New and improved dog show collar and lead $40.00 New type of improved Coat
Conditioner $15.00 Bait $10.00 Your friends favorite Shampoo and Whitener
$35.00 New Comb and Slicker brush $25.00 (you lost the old ones at the last
Show) Scissors $30.00 (kitchen shears just don't trim those pads
Right)

Muddy Show grounds..Roll up mat for covering ground $45.00 YOUR DOG PICKED
UP HER NINTH SINGLE

The hunt for majors begins. After wasting much money on entries where majors
Didn't hold you begin to get frustrated and search out and find that new
Male show puppy and a perfect match for your female!....
Crate for new dog $80.00
Show collar and lead for new dog $50.00 (your tastes have been refined now)
Handling classes for new dog $40.00

The very if! First show teaches you, your Mini Van will not carry both crates
And all your equipment... .
Brand New Larger Mini Van $25,000.00

Now having two dogs to show and get ready quickly teaches you a generator is
Required!
Generator $325.00
Two Dog Kennels for outside $1,000.00

Just got to pick up one of those majors on your female so you hire a handler
For those major shows $200.00 (+/-) YOUR FEMALE FINISHES!

Your new male is too young to breed.....
Updating & Health Clearances on Female $200.00 Stud Fee $1,000.00
Progesterone Testing $200.00 Whelping box $250.00 Vet bills-x-rays,
Sonograms, well mother checks $400.00 Putting first aid whelping kit
Together $300.00 Vaccines for new litter $150.00 X-pen for puppies $80.00
Whelping pads, fleeces, toys for puppies, weaning supplies, etc $450.00 Baby
Scale $45.00 Well puppy and mother exams $150.00

Spectacular puppy in litter will be new show dog....
Immediately realize Mi! In Van will NOT hold three dogs and show equipment... .
Motor Home or Full size dog show van $30, 000 to $100,000.00! !!!!!!!!
You suddenly realize you are eating macaroni and cheese while your dogs are
Eating Human Grade Dog food at $55.00 a bag.

Congratulations!
You have now earned the title of "Dog Breeder!"
Aren't you glad you are finally making those big bucks breeding dogs? So far
you have invested $75,652.00 in showing your two dogs.

*This figure does NOT include dog food, the initial cost of your dogs, entry
fees, motel bills, general vet bills, toys and Many other ownership
incidentals.

Your litter of pups yielded six puppies, you kept one and sold the other
five for $500.00 each. Congratulations you just made $2,500.00 "Breeding
your dogs!"

Now if you can just breed 30 or more litters you MAY just break even with
your initial investment of over $75,000!

Author Unknown

Most well informed buyers will not get a dog from a pet store, as that would be supporting the puppy mills that supply them. :thumbdown I urge you not to try to following in the footsteps of the pet stores and market the same uninformed market--hopefully your focus is more on the types of homes your pups will be placed in and not how much you can make off the pups because 'that's what the pet stores sell them for.'
And please be aware that a dogs willingness to bark is not something handed down via the genetic highway.:rolleyes: