Zumbach Kennel Yorkies

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by kathy785

Okay, this is just my opinion, so take it how you want...
If this breeder sells to pet stores (probably through a broker), she does not care where her puppies end up. Sounds like she also sells directly herself, but probably because she can get more money if she sells them herself. Most brokers only pay $250-300 for puppies. They transport them to the coasts and get a lot more than that. The pet stores then add more on to the price, so there are usually three parties making money off each "sell" I would not buy a puppy from a breeder that sells ANY dogs to pet stores or brokers. (They are suppose to be USDA licensed to do this, so if they have a USDA license beware!!)

I saw into one of the transportation trucks once. The driver was stopped at Wal-Mart with the back door open. The truck was lined with cages on both sides. Small dogs were 3-4 in cages that were staked 3 -4 high. The larger dogs were only 1 or 2 in a cage, usually with a smaller cage on top of their large one. There was not as many large dogs. It looked and smelled clean, it was air conditioned (It was summer), but that is not how I want my babies to leave me. I don't even like to ship if I don't have to. I did talk to the driver and he said he was headed for New York. I live in NE Kansas, so these puppies had a long drive ahead of them.

Breeders sell to brokers because they are guaranteed a price at 6-10 weeks old. The breeders don't have to give extra vaccinations or pay for more food because the puppies leave to live in a cage at these young ages.

Many that have bought puppies from me, know that I still have them here even at 6+ months. They will not leave until they are ready and the right home comes along. I am never in a hurry to get a puppy out of here.

People that sell puppies to brokers and pet stores obviously don't consider the puppies as part of their family!!

Your post reminds me...a locally owned pet store opened here. The local news was alerted by our humane society and had taped them taking puppies out of a huge trailer. The owner of the shop was questioned on where these puppies had come from....along with some comments regarding puppymills. In an attempt to justify it...the owner said oh, no...not from a puppymill. We get our puppies from a breeder in OK. I don't know how many people that would influence buying a puppy...because it sounds so innocent and above board...but honestly...puppymillers ARE breeders. I counted at least 10 different breeds being unloaded...

[belindaY]

Originally Posted by kathy785

Okay, this is just my opinion, so take it how you want...

Many that have bought puppies from me, know that I still have them here even at 6+ months. They will not leave until they are ready and the right home comes along. I am never in a hurry to get a puppy out of here.

People that sell puppies to brokers and pet stores obviously don't consider the puppies as part of their family!!

I've made a couple of mistakes lately and am now extra careful about who gets my puppies, so for the first time ever I expect to have some 6 month olds around and available. Glad to hear from someone else who doesn't rush them out.

[kathy785]

Originally Posted by belindaY

I've made a couple of mistakes lately and am now extra careful about who gets my puppies, so for the first time ever I expect to have some 6 month olds around and available. Glad to hear from someone else who doesn't rush them out.

Me too! I have placed three dogs (2 in 2006 and one in 2007) with people that I am not comfortable with. Thank goodness two of them came back and I could find the right home. The other one, I just pray everyday will be okay.

I know it will happen again sometime, but I sure check more than references anymore. I have only had one reference that ever said anything negative. Most people are smart enough not to give a reference that will say bad things about them.

I would just as soon have them here for me to love, than place them in homes that will not treat them correctly. (BTW, I do have a couple of puppies that are more than old enough to leave LOL!)

[YorkieRose]

Jrsamson5...can you believe you joined YT the same day a member asks about this breeder...lucky you join!

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by daisy mae06

also this from Prisoners of greed.
go all the way down on the Iowa area.
http://prisonersofgreed.org/listb02.pdf

this info is from the above site titled prisoners of greed..


what does that mean? is this a list of puppy mills or what?
usda breeders? just wondering why this long list ?

gary and carla zumbach
zumbach yorkies
21473 200th ave
morticello, iowa 52310

[Emmsmom]

No, this is a list of breeders that sell puppies to petshops. They can have as little as 4 or 5 dogs, but if they sell to a petshop then they need to have a license. They can have as many as 400 puppies and only sell to the public and in that case they DON"T need a license. They whole thing is screwed up in my opinion.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by Emmsmom

No, this is a list of breeders that sell puppies to petshops. They can have as little as 4 or 5 dogs, but if they sell to a petshop then they need to have a license. They can have as many as 400 puppies and only sell to the public and in that case they DON"T need a license. They whole thing is screwed up in my opinion.

i think brokers are supporting puppy mills when they sell to petstores

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i think brokers are supporting puppy mills when they sell to petstores

USDA licensed means a commercial breeder not a broker.

[yoyo27]

Some of these pet stores you can tell the puppies hasn't had the best of care. It shows in there coats and the way they act. Its terrible even some are so sick the pet store has to get them well before they can sell them.

[kathy785]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i think brokers are supporting puppy mills when they sell to petstores

Brokers support puppy mills when they buy puppies. Neither the brokers nor the breeders that sell to brokers care where the puppies are going.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by kathy785

Brokers support puppy mills when they buy puppies. Neither the brokers nor the breeders that sell to brokers care where the puppies are going.

they just load them on the truck..and dont care.. as long as they get 200 a head

[june zeisse]

In my seemingly perpetual search for my perfect puppy, I thought that this person might very well have her. That is, until further into my research on this person I found that she had sold to ANIMAL RESEARCH.

[bellemarie]

Originally Posted by june zeisse

In my seemingly perpetual search for my perfect puppy, I thought that this person might very well have her. That is, until further into my research on this person I found that she had sold to ANIMAL RESEARCH.

you serious? as in stick in a lab cage and poke it with needles and mascara?

after a bit of googling myself, i found this and of course even though it is an 11/10/09 figure, felt it was worth a mention...
at date of the udsa inspection in 09 they had 140 adult dogs and 58 puppies... ( http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=42A1102 )

i think it is pretty safe to say this is most definately a puppyfarm?

aint search engines great!?! and guess which site (and more specifically thread) comes up when a search is done!

[yorkietalkjilly]

Why in the world would a reputable breeder ever place a puppy in a cage at a pet shop? Is someone there with the dog 24/7? The breeder is trafficking Yorkies.

[jennyinsac41]

How do you find out if someone is selling their puppies for animal research? That is just horrific!