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MeganS 01-06-2008 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kelkiss5 (Post 1651985)
I read the first page and have jumped to the last 1 here. I no what is being said in the 4 pages in between. And I can guess that it is not what you want to hear. Well im always the type to sit back and look at this type of question with both my eyes open and quite a lot of understanding.
But you have absolutely put me into shock. I cant believe that you would breed a puppy, OMG you are being so irresponsible. I mean she is only a baby herself, how can you expect her to be a good Mother when she has so little experience of life herself. How can you expect a puppy who am assuming just wants to play all day herself to be calm enough to give those wee puppy's all the love, care and attention they need.
SHAME ON YOU. Puppy mill just comes to my mind!!!!!!! I am sorry but thats all I can say to you.
I'm going to have to agree with you. A 9 month old puppy does not need to, and probably does not know how to, take care of a litter of puppies. She is still a puppy herself, she wants to run around and play, not sit in a box and nurse her babies.

I agree about puppy mills coming to mind. Not necessarily the OP, but it sounds like a familiar story with this "reputable" breeder she got Lacie from.

BamaFan121s 01-06-2008 10:45 AM
I just want to say that I am glad/relieved to see that I am not the only one willing to speak my mind and voice concern about this situation and all the little oddities that it involves.:)

MeganS 01-06-2008 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1652162)
I just want to say that I am glad/relieved to see that I am not the only one willing to speak my mind and voice concern about this situation and all the little oddities that it involves.:)
I'm glad you did say what you were thinking. I was going to keep my mouth (fingers ;)) shut, but after I saw your post I just said, well almost said, what I wanted and what I was thinking. She needed to hear that she did the wrong thing, whether she likes it or not. Good for you! and I think compared to some people, your post was mild. :p

BamaFan121s 01-06-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 1652317)
I'm glad you did say what you were thinking. I was going to keep my mouth (fingers ;)) shut, but after I saw your post I just said, well almost said, what I wanted and what I was thinking. She needed to hear that she did the wrong thing, whether she likes it or not. Good for you! and I think compared to some people, your post was mild. :p
:) Good to hear. Thanks Megan!

MyFairLacy 01-06-2008 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1652162)
I just want to say that I am glad/relieved to see that I am not the only one willing to speak my mind and voice concern about this situation and all the little oddities that it involves.:)
Unfortunately, I don't think the OP cares to listen and actually consider the advise being given. If she cared, she wouldn't have allowed her puppies to breed in the first place - I mean, seriously, how could anyone think it's okay to breed a 3lb puppy?!? She said in her original post that she knew it shouldn't have happened...so she knew it was wrong...but she didn't care..did it anyway. And in the process has put her puppy in danger. OP - did you know Lacie could DIE? It is a very real possiblity. I'm sorry if you think people are being harsh, but no one responsible is just going to sit back and tell you what you did was okay...because it was not okay

txshopper73 01-06-2008 01:56 PM
Hopefully your female did not take since the male was so young...and you can look back on this as a learning experience.

In case she did take, however, have a vet handy that specializes in small breed dogs since you could be looking at a costly c-section.

Good luck to you and your dogs.

TinyBit 01-07-2008 06:00 AM
I messed up my information:
 
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1643811)
You bred two babies? Why? I can not believe ANY vet would be okay with that. At that age, how do you even know if they meet the standard or have any genetic issues? What you just did was equivalent to letting two 10 year olds (humans) have babies together. Neither one of those babies is even fully developed yet. And to be so tiny...3lbs is too small to breed. And her mother is bred twice a year??? That breeder should be ashamed of herself You do NOT breed every heat cycle
I must Clear up a misunderstanding here:
I wrote earlier: Her mother is also 3# and used for breeding twice a year. Her sire is 3# also. Mother always has 4 pups in each litter avg. about 1.5 oz at birth
I meant her sire is breed twice a year to different females. Th breeder has three females. Lacie's mom is 4 years old and has had 3 litters.
Sorry about the error.

TinyBit 01-07-2008 06:05 AM
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I DO know she should not be breed now.
I had put her in a area with baby gates up and she was climbing out of them almost every day. She was there for over 10 days. I got home one day and saw they had tied up and called the vet.
That is when he told me that she may not get PG because of Gizmo's age and that it would be ok. They tied up twice that I know of. on the 14th and the 19th. So she MAY NOT have taken.

I do pray she is NOT PG now. I would have liked to used her with Teddy later on. (Teddy is only 3# himself)

I was told to wait a few more weeks and bring her in for xrays. I am planning on doing this.

TinyBit 01-07-2008 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by addicted (Post 1650137)
Well said....

I'm pretty sure she don't want to abort the litter. She intentionally bred them to begin with. Can you say "cha ching!"....
This was very hurtful:

If Lacie is PG, I have plans to give two away to good homes:
One to a disabled vet and one to a senior lady who just lost her little dog a bout a month ago.

This would not be about money.
If you fancy breeders with all your experience would NOT price your puppies so high, more of the commonman (woman) could afford them. the Yorkie was first owned by poor people in England until some fancy lady decieded she just had to have one, then they started breeding them smaller and smaller to satifiy the RICH people. CAN YOU SAY CHA CHING!!!!!!!

TinyBit 01-07-2008 06:14 AM
New Question
 
Now if I have not lost all friends here on YT, I do have another question:

Just yesterday, Gizmo seems to try to hump Lacie again, Does this mean she is NOT PG? Is she still in heat?? Do I need to keep them apart??

These answers would be helpful,
Thanks,
Dawn

BamaFan121s 01-07-2008 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TinyBit (Post 1653951)
Just yesterday, Gizmo seems to try to hump Lacie again, Does this mean she is NOT PG? Is she still in heat?? Do I need to keep them apart??
Obviously. If by a miracle she is NOT prego:xfingers: , you certainly want to continue/start to keep them separated and don't give them any chance to breed.

BamaFan121s 01-07-2008 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TinyBit (Post 1653941)
I had put her in a area with baby gates up and she was climbing out of them almost every day. She was there for over 10 days.
And during these 10 days of her escaping every day, it never occurred to you that this method of keeping them separated was? Seems like it would have been very apparent that you needed to take other precautions. IMO, this could have been very easily prevented, provided there are at least 2 rooms in your house with a door between them.

ryorkies 01-07-2008 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TinyBit (Post 1653951)
Now if I have not lost all friends here on YT, I do have another question:

Just yesterday, Gizmo seems to try to hump Lacie again, Does this mean she is NOT PG? Is she still in heat?? Do I need to keep them apart??

These answers would be helpful,
Thanks,
Dawn
Huh?
After all this .... ? :confused:

TinyBit 01-07-2008 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1653975)
And during these 10 days of her escaping every day, it never occurred to you that this method of keeping them separated was? Seems like it would have been very apparent that you needed to take other precautions. IMO, this could have been very easily prevented, provided there are at least 2 rooms in your house with a door between them.
We heat with a free standing wood stove. If I had closed a door, she would have been without heat while we had 6" of snow on the ground. I didn't feel that was a good options either. Be thanks for the advice and when I can afford cental heat like you all I'll do that.

Now do you think she could still be in heat???

francis53 01-07-2008 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TinyBit (Post 1653941)
I DO know she should not be breed now.
I had put her in a area with baby gates up and she was climbing out of them almost every day. She was there for over 10 days. I got home one day and saw they had tied up and called the vet.
That is when he told me that she may not get PG because of Gizmo's age and that it would be ok. They tied up twice that I know of. on the 14th and the 19th. So she MAY NOT have taken.

I do pray she is NOT PG now. I would have liked to used her with Teddy later on. (Teddy is only 3# himself)

I was told to wait a few more weeks and bring her in for xrays. I am planning on doing this.

I really hope she isn't pg, and if you get this little girl spayed soon, you won't have to worry about an accidental pregnancy.
Consider looking for a bigger girl to breed with your 3 lb. boy, I'm sure that is what more experienced breeders would suggest.


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