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4lilyorks 01-21-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2430249)
You had asked:


4lilyorks says that Biewers were tested and were found to have minor matches to other breeds including in some dogs - Japanese Chin and Maltese breed signatures amongst others.
Yes this is what Mars said but they also said they can't tell if any other dog was mixed in or if it is a color gene they picked up. Some dogs tested to have Bassett Hound in them also to name another breed. How many different dogs were mixed in to get the Biewer that looks like a Yorkie. Also there are differences found in the genes of a European Yorkie and an American Yorkie so it only makes sense that it would show a difference if a dog carries the piebald gene versus one that is not a carrier.

I would also like to know if there is a certain mix now that is concidered a Biewer Terrier or if all mixes are accepted. What happens if a Biewer is tested and it comes out pure Yorkshire is that not a Biewer Terrier? Is both a Yorkie/Maltese and a Yorkie/Japanese Chin accepted in the registery?

Toby'sMama 01-21-2009 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2430140)
What I really find amusing is, when I first joined YT, there were threads about the Biewer not being a purebred yorkie, and the biewer people argued that they were prebred yorkies. Now the argument has gone the other way and SOME biewer breeders are trying to prove that they are NOT yorkies.

At least us parti breeders know that we have yorkies.

What I would like to know is if they are not yorkies, what are they were did they come from, what breeds were used to create them and what about the Biewer family that developed them.

Is this same dispute going on in Germany, or is this just some ploy by a handful of breeders to get the AKC to accept them.
Ding... ding... ding... ding... Jeanie -- you hit it right on the nose! :bravo::bravo:

TeahsPet 01-21-2009 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2428708)
Who says the history is correct? We have got documentation on various breeders in Germany that have forged registrations, and mixed Maltese with yorkies.
I can tell you from my experience in life and that is "people lie" science doesn't.
How much do you think a parti Yorkie is going to be worth when AKC accepts the Biewer Terrier?
Okay, so which is it? Either 'science doesn't lie' or its the 'cups half full'?

If science doesn't lie, and the MARS test is valid for testing Biewers (or other purebred dogs), then MARS would not be afraid of lawsuits and would happily take peoples money to have their dogs tested.

Gayle, I think you are correct in stating the 'cups half full' theory in that some people have the ability to interpret just about anything in a way that is advantageous to their own personal needs/desires. :rolleyes:

I personally love my furbabies as members of my family and am not concerned about their 'worth' in terms of dollar figures. My babies give more to me more than any amount of money ever could. My dedication to the breed is out of love and admiration...not motivated by greed, or some higher sense of self worth.

JeanieK 01-21-2009 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TeahsPet (Post 2430383)
Okay, so which is it? Either 'science doesn't lie' or its the 'cups half full'?

If science doesn't lie, and the MARS test is valid for testing Biewers (or other purebred dogs), then MARS would not be afraid of lawsuits and would happily take peoples money to have their dogs tested.

Gayle, I think you are correct in stating the 'cups half full' theory in that some people have the ability to interpret just about anything in a way that is advantageous to their own personal needs/desires. :rolleyes:

I personally love my furbabies as members of my family and am not concerned about their 'worth' in terms of dollar figures. My babies give more to me more than any amount of money ever could. My dedication to the breed is out of love and admiration...not motivated by greed, or some higher sense of self worth.

I agree That is why, in a situation like this, where there is no concreto answer, it is important to investigate all the information, and not to draw conclusions until all of the available evidence has been taken into account.

To take a statement like "It is not possible for us to definitively state with current knowledge and technology what (if any) other breeds than Yorkshire Terrier were present in the foundation of the Biewer terriers pedigrees and what gene (or genes) are causing the distinctive coloration seen in the Biewer terriers." and conclude that it means that the are not purebred yorkies, is really stretching things.

that is not seeing the cup as half full, that is being dilusional. That is seeing a full cup where only the watermasrk is left on the table.

reneernc 01-26-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1638721)
It's a fault based on what YTCA and the show world have decided. The standard that is so preached at us that have chosen to breed "off colors", was created by a group of people.....this standard does not change genetics. You do realize that this "standard" has changed throughout the years,right?? Why was that okay then but not now? Why is okay that the Yorkie is nothing like how the breed originated....because a group have now defined what THEY say the Yorkie should be?

I am a future breeder of the parti color and I will always be a person that is reputable. I, however, do not see this color as a fault....I see it as genetics at it's finest.

Tammy
Very well said!

Breny 01-27-2009 09:53 PM
:p LOL I just came here to read about breeders...boy this thread really changed gears haha, WOW!

Nicki are you still here????? :p

Breny 01-27-2009 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2430145)
Did you read post 274?
Do you have a Biewer or a parti?

Nancy1999 01-28-2009 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Breny (Post 2442090)
Do you have a Biewer or a parti?
Neither, I'm just trying to learn about them.

JeanieK 01-28-2009 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 4lilyorks (Post 2430319)
Yes this is what Mars said but they also said they can't tell if any other dog was mixed in or if it is a color gene they picked up. Some dogs tested to have Bassett Hound in them also to name another breed. How many different dogs were mixed in to get the Biewer that looks like a Yorkie. Also there are differences found in the genes of a European Yorkie and an American Yorkie so it only makes sense that it would show a difference if a dog carries the piebald gene versus one that is not a carrier.

I would also like to know if there is a certain mix now that is concidered a Biewer Terrier or if all mixes are accepted. What happens if a Biewer is tested and it comes out pure Yorkshire is that not a Biewer Terrier? Is both a Yorkie/Maltese and a Yorkie/Japanese Chin accepted in the registery?
We still have not had this question answered. I am curious as well as to how this would work. Are they all considered Biewers? Or is there one particular mix that is considered a Biewer?

GreenwoodBiewer 01-28-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2442809)
We still have not had this question answered. I am curious as well as to how this would work. Are they all considered Biewers? Or is there one particular mix that is considered a Biewer?

I can't speak for those few who feel that what they have they have decided to call Biewer Terriers, but the rest of us believe we have a pure bred dog, not a mix, that came from purebred Yorkshire Terriers.

-Diana :animal-pa

livingdustmops 01-28-2009 01:10 PM
What I find interesting is that members of the BTCA say these are not Yorkshire Terriers but they come to a Yorkshire Terrier forum to sell their non Yorkies. Anyone care to explain this? You can't have it both ways as these people are breaking the rules of selling their non-Yorkies on Yorkie Talk.

Pruett 01-28-2009 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2442881)
I can't speak for those few who feel that what they have they have decided to call Biewer Terriers, but the rest of us believe we have a pure bred dog, not a mix, that came from purebred Yorkshire Terriers.

-Diana :animal-pa
What club do you belong to and who are the rest of you?

Since you have just said that you have purebred Yorkshire Terrier, then why are you calling them Biewers?
Don't the Parti-Yorkie breeders say they have purebred Yorkshire Terriers?

So what do you have, a purebred Yorkshire Terrier, or a purebred Biewer Yorkshire Terrier? It's one or the other.

4lilyorks 01-28-2009 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2443620)
What club do you belong to and who are the rest of you?

Since you have just said that you have purebred Yorkshire Terrier, then why are you calling them Biewers?
Don't the Parti-Yorkie breeders say they have purebred Yorkshire Terriers?

So what do you have, a purebred Yorkshire Terrier, or a purebred Biewer Yorkshire Terrier? It's one or the other.
So are you saying there can not be color variations of a breed. Are you saying a Biewer can not be a purebred yorkie? What about breeds with multiple colors such as Dalmatians, Dachshunds, Labs, Great Dane, etc. Is only one color combination a purebred and the others are a mixed breed?

phfgkl 01-28-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2443620)
What club do you belong to and who are the rest of you?

Since you have just said that you have purebred Yorkshire Terrier, then why are you calling them Biewers?
Don't the Parti-Yorkie breeders say they have purebred Yorkshire Terriers?

So what do you have, a purebred Yorkshire Terrier, or a purebred Biewer Yorkshire Terrier? It's one or the other.
;) Now, that's a fantastic question. Had me wondering also. I have a biewer terrier myself:D

GreenwoodBiewer 01-28-2009 07:32 PM
:animal-pa
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2443620)
What club do you belong to and who are the rest of you?

Since you have just said that you have purebred Yorkshire Terrier, then why are you calling them Biewers?
Don't the Parti-Yorkie breeders say they have purebred Yorkshire Terriers?

So what do you have, a purebred Yorkshire Terrier, or a purebred Biewer Yorkshire Terrier? It's one or the other.

Well, Thank you for asking Gayle, although you already know the answer to that question as I have the same exact breed that you do, I just had no desire or motivation to go off and change their name .. I have some Beautiful Biewer Yorkshire Terrier ala Pom Pon's.. actually, I have a lovely new litter and I'd be happy to post them if you'd like to see them.

-Diana :animal-pa


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