What a mesmerizing story, thank you for sharing. I'm so happy things are going better now. I'm glad Hannah is ok. :)

aww once again thank you all so much for your kind words and concern for Hannah and her baby...

today Hannah appears to be back to her sweet self and baby Miracle I am happy to say is 4.0 oz she will be 2 weeks old tomorrow...not only do I blame the vet for his error using these radical drugs but I cant help believe one of the boys would have made it and little Miracle would be much fuirther along...it will be interesting how she developes, her eyes have yet to open.

Kim,

You might want to share the importance of knowing your dog's normal temp.
Having Glucose on hand and learning how to sub-q a pup that is unable to nurse to prevent dehydration and give them a couple of days of maturing....and as well as knowing the signs of dehydration....I know you had to do this to both mom and babies.

Oh K i am happy to hear Hannah and Miracle are doing better, i hope i get to see them soon !

for those who need to know...

its always best to take the temp of all you dogs recording in each dogs file...that way if you have any abnormalities you can refer to his/her healthy temp is...normal is between 100-102.. nursing moms can safely range to 102.5
anything over 103 should be of concern.

To check for dehydration, pinch the puppy's skin on the back of the neck or on its back; if the skin stays up and creased, the puppy is dehydrated, if the skin falls back down immediately, the puppy is not dehydrated. Check puppies several times a day for the first week for dehydration.

Sub-q is a lactated ringer (you can either make your own, purchase online or your vet) inject the needle parallel to the body under the nape of the neck (never down into the neck you could hit a vein) 3-4 cc's of ringer on a newborn pup; a 5lb adult 6-12 cc's depending on the severity.

There is usually a large bubble that forms right at the back shoulders from administering subcutaneous fluids that subsides as the dog absorbs the fluids into his body the skin will appear more supple, BTW a puppy can live off continued ringers for 2-3 days.

hope this helps

This story couldn't have come at a better time!!! Rylee had an emergency c-section last Tuesday, and they gave her Nexcel...Naxcel... plus cephalexin and some other shot. Anyhow I had my regular vet do a blood test on her yesterday, and guess what, she is anemic. Luckily she is only on clavamox now, and I have been giving her a broth of Canidae mixed with puppy milk and Nutrical for snack. Tonight she came out of her crate to greet me when I came from the store!!! Yesterday she was barely moving!! Thanks for your story...I think it saved my Rylee!!!:)

Wow! This was the whole purpose of Kim posting her Hannah's Story......hoping that it will save someone from the same heartache and as in your case the great possibility of losing your beloved girl.


By the way how are the puppies?

OH MY GOD, to think I almost didnt post the story. I got chills reading your story...thank god you recognized the drug and the hell it caused me, Hannah and her babies.....you may want to ask your vet for 3 days worth of B12 shots to help her along...keep a close eye on her, watch her temp, it literally kills the red blood cells (causing anemia). You know first hand how it effected your Rylee having only one shot, poor Hannah had 7 over a period of 8 days....

I hope your girl is doing better...

Your story left me on the edge of my seat reading this. How good you were in your gut feelings. sorry about losing two. But then I read further down and this post got right to my heart. Just wanted to say this.

Oh my gosh what a scary situation! Thank God that they are both okay now! Still praying that they will continue to be fine.

She is doing so much better!! She ate really well this evening! The babies are doing great...plump and sassy. Poor Rylee on the other hand is a bag of bones. I am supplementing the smallest girl...she seems a bit thin compared to her siblings. One question regarding the temperature, when should I be concerned? If it goes up, or if it goes down? Both Friday and Saturday her temp was regular 101.5. It was her lethargy and inappetence which tipped me off.....BTW as I was typing Ms Rylee came up to me for some kisses. THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! You're a godsend!

K I am so sorry you and Hannah have had to go through this horrible ordeal. :cry: I am so glad that she and the pup (and you!) are hanging in there and that that mom and pup are progressing in the right direction. I am sure that if it were not for your dedication to them, they would both be lost.

One of the things I have come to admire about you most as a breeder over the past few years is what you have displayed here. You are willing to share your experiences in breeding with others...no matter how hard they are for you....all for the sake of teaching, sharing and helping out others. I can think of numerous times when you have offered advice, tips, heart breaking stories and even your phone number and time (in the middle of the night) to others all for the sake of helping out and educating.

You are truly a great person and breeder...thanks for all you do...for me and for all those on YT who have learned because of what you've taken the time to share.:thumbs up

So nice to hear Rylee and puppies are doing great, I am so glad my story was helpful!!

Since I am not familar with this combo of drugs...I read all side effects...I have used Baytril and Penicillin G in the past but never in combination nor ever knew of Nexel....

One side effect of Penicillin is fever and the side effects of Nexel is blood abnormalities...the combination of both can cause anemia...I tend to believe the Nexel caused most of this damage killing off the red blood cells, thank god she was able to regenerate them after the 2 transfusions.

What I experinced with the temp was way high and way low...that is what was so alarming and uncharted territory for me. If I were you I would check her temp three times a day for the next few days if it stays stable then she will be fine...as I said thank god she only had one shot!

Oh sweet Misty I am still an emotional wreak, your words touch my heart and brings tears...There are many members here that help including you and if one of our stories can help save a puppy or mom then we've done our part teaching others by our experience!

thank you for your heartfelt words, so nice to have you back!

I'm just telling the truth about it all. This is one of the ugly sides of breeding that happens and I don't think that stories like yours are shared enough. You get alot of people that wouldn't dare share stories like these and let on that their breeding programs are anything less than picture perfect and textbook. And with good reason! As the dog world is political and people are catty and judgmental, sharing information like this often opens breeders up as 'targets' and gives people a chance to rip into them, tear them down, criticize them and attack them on a a very emotional level. It's often portrayed as a result of the breeder's negligence rather than what it really is--something unfortunate, unpreventable and a risk that always exists. (I know you understand what I mean.) And that is a shame.
IMO, more stories and experiences like this need to be shared. To make others aware and possibly keep them from going through the same--this seems to have already benefited one person, how many more will benefit from it? To let those considering breeding know the real truth and that it isn't always all fun and games--how many people will read this and use it as part of their decision to breed or not to breed rather than just the assuming it's all fun and games?
That is why I think it is so comendable that you are honest to share what is going to help so many and educate--all because you see the bigger picture and are more concerned about what is in the best interest of this breed in the long run.

Admin could this thread be a 'sticky' in the breeding forum?

I totally agree with you. Along with the normal temp and administering Sub-q Glucose and under the Fading Puppy Liver formula

I want to thank you for posting this story! It is difficult to share I'm sure, but you will help alot of people with it. My heart goes out to your dedication to the Yorkie Breed!

I am so sorry you have had to endure so much pain and heartache over this. I pray that all is well and things start to improve for you!!

That Girls, is why i leave it to the prof. breeders... stuff like that would turn me into a basket case !

I am happy to say little "Miracle" is now bouncing from 4.2-4.5 oz today she is two weeks old...eyes are still not open but she is thriving and a real eater...Hannah on the other hand is on food protest again...she will drink anything I give her but WILL NOT eat wet or dry food so back to force feeding her!!

Oh no poor Hannah!!! I hope she comes back!! 8 shots of that drug!! She sure is a strong girl!! My prayers!!

Kim, you must be familiar with Lorraine Hayes of Pastoral. I remember once she wrote an article about getting her moms to eat after welping. She had one that would not eat a thing and she went to Kenny Kings got their chicken tore the skin off and any of her females that would not eat would eat that chicken. Not the best diet in the world but if they eat it's such a relief and they need the food more at that time than any other and little Hannah and all she has gone through surely needs to eat on her own again. She also did another thing I never heard of in my life and that is get them squirt whip cream if they were nursing. I would not mention this if Lorraine were not so well thought of in the breed. For what it may be worth!! 4.5 ozs for miracle baby woo hoo

Hey! Kim's been doing the chicken.....and everything else. Hannah will drink anything....goats milk, Esbilac....anything that is liquid...but it's the solids she's being stubborn about....

What the heck is 4.5oz of Miracle Baby Woo Hoo.

I know this woman did the chicken too and they wouldn't eat it....only the Kenny Kings???? I know she doesn't need her to drink and I know she isn't nursing, I just mentioned the other. I wrote 4.5 ozs FOR miracle baby woo hoo. Do you have a bee up your bonnet tonight. LOL

Naw...just asking..cause I didn't 4.5 oz for miracle baby woo hoo

[QUOTE=Mardelin;1577764]Naw...just asking..cause I didn't know what you meant by 4.5 oz for miracle baby woo hoo. I just wondered if it was a special formula? I know Lorraine pretty well and she knows alot of stuff....thought it was something special.

One more question what is Kenny Kings Chicken....I do know that Lorraine lives in Canada...is it something special..like a fast food chicken

Oh Prayers are going out to you. Sorry you lost your 2 little boys. But Glad you had a gut feeling about your Hannah you are a terrific breeder. I am looking forward to seeing Miracle with her eyes open. Good luck getting Hannah to eat. Also Congratulations on your other litter. You had us all on the edge of our seats, I think with this one. My chelsea just had a C section on the 26th One boy. I knew she only had 1 (xray) so I scheduled the C section. Her's went good So I am thankful for that. I prayed she wouldn't go into labor early and have to have an emergency C section because he got stuck you could see he was a big puppy on the x ray. He weighed 4.7/8 ounces and now weighs 7 oz. So my prayers were answered too.
I am so glad you posted. Good Information!

4.7 ounces would have been a god send ...Mercedes largest she free whelped was 5.9oz I didnt worry too much sizes were 4.4, 4.8, 5.2 and 5.9 without an issue...Mercedes is 5.8 normal weight blessing me with a very simple delievery... :)

[quote=Mardelin;1577778]I believe Kenny King is like our US KFC...grease would be far too much I fear for her belly to handle at this time...

On a good note I mixed goats milk, egg yoke and karo yesterday she is eating or shall I say drinking that like crazy...so today I put her wet dog food in a bowl of the milk mixture let it sit for about 30 mins...once she tasted a bit of that she ate the rest out of my hand...so that is an improvement...

whipping cream was something I hadnt thought of.... I am doing the vanilla pudding and goats milk mixture, I would guess this is just as tasty and she is loving it...thanks so much for the suggestion...