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yorkiegold · 07-26-2005, 06:02 AM

This is a very timely thread.

What I would like to talk about is health screening. I posted a thread a week or so ago asking if breeders are utilizing the OFA Patellar Luxation certification. It seems like most breeders take the easy road and say it can be caused by an injury and they won't guarantee for it.

While I believe it's true that most Yorkies have some degree of LP (or most toys for that matter), testing for this seems to be extremely rare. OFA requires the puppy to be 12 months old for certification.

This is my own personal nit that I've been picking, but in general, what health screenings do you do? Which do you think are of value? Would you consider selling all puppies with LTD registration and converting it to a full registration at one year when the stifles have been graded? What if they want to show the puppy?

Thanks all,

CJ

wnalegria · 07-26-2005, 07:49 AM

It used to be that OFA would not certify hips and things until at least 2 years of age in the large breeds. Have they changed and stated 1 year for the small breeds. How many of us keep the puppy until two years. Ones that I keep sure that is great to have them tested.

Until you raise a litter of puppies and have once come back and see how the new ownwers have not followed your insructions and directions on how to care/feed- to help cut down on LP and other health issues you have no idea of the can of worms that you are stepping into. Many a breeder has thought they have placed a puppy in a good home only to find that the new owner will cut as many costs as they can in the name of the pocketbook and that anything that happens is the breeders fault regardless.

That is why I want to hear both sides of the story when a breeder is getting bashed for a deal that fell through or problems with a puppy. I also think that it is rather odd that some folks what every test known to man done on a puppy that they wish to purchase from you- but they want you to give the puppy to them- the old why are you asking so much. This is the same person who will buy the poor quality puppy who has had no care or breeding because of the almighty dollar and turn around and breed it. They will do none of the testing that you have done or any that they wanted you to do in addition will give no health warranty and ask the same for their puppies if not more when selling them.

Before I was diagnosed with cancer my part time (non paying job) was an advocate for handicapped children in the school systems. I had to sit down and look at the law-federal and state for Indiana. What the school was or was not providing for the child- what had been agreed to in the IEP- and what the parents were doing to meet the requirements. You soon learn to not take sides- be objective-be realistic and try and do what is in the child's best interest.

I follow this same rule in raising my Yorkshire terriers.

JCarlson2004 · 07-26-2005, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jer_lin

How many new mommys are ready to do this ever 2 hours nigh and day for a couple of weeks ?
jerry

Wow, that is a truly beautiful picture. What a blessing to help new life into this world.

hockeymom · 07-26-2005, 08:24 AM

I think this thread is great!

Since I want to learn everything I can before I breed my yorkies, this is another source for me to refer to when I have a question. Sometimes someone with hands on experience can explain something better than getting information from a book. Even though I have done this before with larger dogs, I do not have any experience with yorkies. I want to do everything I can to reduce the risk of a problem with the puppies and the mom. I also want to know everything I can about the breed, so that I have the best representation of the yorkie breed in my puppies.

I wish we would all treat each other with respect, quit preaching, admit we might be wrong, stop lecturing everyone, remember everyone has a bad day every once in a while, quit taking everything so personal, quit trying to always be right, and trying to prove someone else wrong. This is a forum made up of many different people, with different life styles, different opinions, and different beliefs.
I also don't get all the mean and uncalled for PMs going on. This is so childish and petty.

This is not a popularity contest.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-26-2005, 09:12 AM

I don't know about the "mean and uncalled for PMs" but it is sad of this is happening. I posted this a few months back and Ithink it is worht reading every so often to remind us.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5626

Yorkieville200 · 07-26-2005, 09:28 AM

Hi, C.J.

Wow. I am really impressed with you. I am not a breeder, but have gotten my Yorkies through very reputable breeders, and none have ever excluded any genetic defects from their health warranty, not LP, not collapsing trachea, nothing.

My tiny Kia's breeder, has been breeding for over 30 years, with 53 champions to her credit. She knows her blood-lines and backs them up.

I hope to read more from you.

Sheila

hockeymom · 07-26-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I don't know about the "mean and uncalled for PMs" but it is sad of this is happening. I posted this a few months back and Ithink it is worht reading every so often to remind us.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5626

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that thread closed!!!!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-26-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeymom

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that thread closed!!!!

Yes, the thread was closed but...I am not sure why you mentioned that? It wasn't deleted and is still available to refer back to????

yorkiegold · 07-26-2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Hi, C.J.

Wow. I am really impressed with you. I am not a breeder, but have gotten my Yorkies through very reputable breeders, and none have ever excluded any genetic defects from their health warranty, not LP, not collapsing trachea, nothing.

My tiny Kia's breeder, has been breeding for over 30 years, with 53 champions to her credit. She knows her blood-lines and backs them up.

I hope to read more from you.

Sheila

This sounds like the breeder who has been mentoring me. She guarantees them against genetic defects for 2 years and proves them in the show ring. She has set a very high bar for me.

And by the way, thanks for your kind words. Unexpected, but surprisingly appreciated!

CJ

yorkiegold · 07-26-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies

I have questions too. But I am not an inexperienced breeder. I have bred Poodles and Cocker Spaniels. I was not in the mind frame I am in now and I am very worried about doing the wrong thing. To me Yorkies seem more fragile. I am on more than one Yorkie forum and most of the time when I ask a question I feel like I am being yelled at. There is no way I am going to let the person I feel is yelling at me know that I feel like they are yelling at me.

It is easy to misinterpet what is being said when you can't see the other persons face. And if you say the wrong thing because you think this person is yelling at you they might clam up just when they really had something you need.

We were in the same position you're in when we whelped our first litter. We had years of experience breeding working breed dogs. We lost babies that first time because exactly as your intuition tells you, they are very fragile. They need to be kept warm and you need to be SURE they are nursing the first day especially, but for sure for the first three days. We had "tinies" the first litter weighing just around 2 oz. An experienced toy breeder would've brought them through but we misjudged. To our everlasting shame.

I didn't want to fuss over the mother too much, but the first 24 hours you need to take charge and make sure everyone's nursing and feels nice and warm to the touch.

Needless to say, if I can help you avoid these same mistakes, it will feel very, very good.

CJ

Yorkieville200 · 07-26-2005, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiegold

This sounds like the breeder who has been mentoring me. She guarantees them against genetic defects for 2 years and proves them in the show ring. She has set a very high bar for me.

And by the way, thanks for your kind words. Unexpected, but surprisingly appreciated!

CJ

Hi, C.J.

I suspect, you, in turn, will also "set a very high bar" for the breeders that follow in your footsteps.

Kudos to you! You are just the kind of person the breeding world needs.

You are most welcome for the kind words, you deserve them.

You will see that you will have the support of everyone that truly breeds, for the love of the breed.

Sheila

whispersmom2 · 07-29-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laura

Ok, I'll tell you this - when I took the pups in (I was still worried about how small my little one was and wether I should wait, he was still 3 oz) the vet checked and said he seemed fine. Then she asked me how long I wanted their tails? I was a little surprised she didn't know. Am I too hard on my vet?

Laura, you have a good vet if your concerns are addressed in all areas as in the tail length.. My vet's routine is to cut much shorter than I like. I have taken the puppy, put my thumb nail exactly where I want it docked. They ask me that for each tail. I got to thinking and decided, hey, I am an old nurse. I can handle sterile instruments, I can put in a suture if needed, I have styptic powder. So, my mentor showed me how she does it and voila! One more happy Yorkie breeder. That would be MOI!!

Laura · 07-30-2005, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

Laura, you have a good vet if your concerns are addressed in all areas as in the tail length.. My vet's routine is to cut much shorter than I like. I have taken the puppy, put my thumb nail exactly where I want it docked. They ask me that for each tail. I got to thinking and decided, hey, I am an old nurse. I can handle sterile instruments, I can put in a suture if needed, I have styptic powder. So, my mentor showed me how she does it and voila! One more happy Yorkie breeder. That would be MOI!!

Thanks Rini! My puppies will be 10 weeks old tomorrow. You are probably right about the vet. I was much happier when I took them for their 6 week shots. She checked their legs and ears (almost let one fall - but she caught her). I was just so worried about them back then, but now they are all bouncing beautiful babies and the entire office loves them. I guess noone can resist a yorkie. They act like they are the best babies they have ever seen. No crying or whining. Now if I didn't have to keep them all, I could be a breeder - but 7 is all I can keep, and my husband won't even agree to that.

whispersmom2 · 07-30-2005, 08:44 AM

I posted my reply to this thread in the middle of the night and had to check to see if I even sent the reply. I have another bit of info that I will tell anyone who is considering breeding and asking where they can find a good girl or boy. I ask questions that a breeder, whether new to breeding, experienced with other breeds or have just bought the "cutest little Yorkie puppy you ever saw!" and all my friends want one just like him/her.
Unless you have spent the past 1-3 years researching, going to shows, reading on the internet, talking to responsible breeders (not necessarily show breeders or handlers), and maybe making a nuisance of yourself by asking for the most minute detail AND still going to your mentor a lot, you are not ready to even take the first step of putting 2 dogs together to make puppies.
Breeding begins years before you buy a breedable Yorkie. You do yourself a favor but you do the breed as a whole a much bigger favor by making responsible decisions that will affect dogs you are responsible for the rest of their lives..

07-26-2005, 07:49 AM	#47
wnalegria Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana Posts: 815	Testing It used to be that OFA would not certify hips and things until at least 2 years of age in the large breeds. Have they changed and stated 1 year for the small breeds. How many of us keep the puppy until two years. Ones that I keep sure that is great to have them tested. Until you raise a litter of puppies and have once come back and see how the new ownwers have not followed your insructions and directions on how to care/feed- to help cut down on LP and other health issues you have no idea of the can of worms that you are stepping into. Many a breeder has thought they have placed a puppy in a good home only to find that the new owner will cut as many costs as they can in the name of the pocketbook and that anything that happens is the breeders fault regardless. That is why I want to hear both sides of the story when a breeder is getting bashed for a deal that fell through or problems with a puppy. I also think that it is rather odd that some folks what every test known to man done on a puppy that they wish to purchase from you- but they want you to give the puppy to them- the old why are you asking so much. This is the same person who will buy the poor quality puppy who has had no care or breeding because of the almighty dollar and turn around and breed it. They will do none of the testing that you have done or any that they wanted you to do in addition will give no health warranty and ask the same for their puppies if not more when selling them. Before I was diagnosed with cancer my part time (non paying job) was an advocate for handicapped children in the school systems. I had to sit down and look at the law-federal and state for Indiana. What the school was or was not providing for the child- what had been agreed to in the IEP- and what the parents were doing to meet the requirements. You soon learn to not take sides- be objective-be realistic and try and do what is in the child's best interest. I follow this same rule in raising my Yorkshire terriers.

07-26-2005, 08:24 AM	#49
hockeymom YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 418	I think this thread is great! Since I want to learn everything I can before I breed my yorkies, this is another source for me to refer to when I have a question. Sometimes someone with hands on experience can explain something better than getting information from a book. Even though I have done this before with larger dogs, I do not have any experience with yorkies. I want to do everything I can to reduce the risk of a problem with the puppies and the mom. I also want to know everything I can about the breed, so that I have the best representation of the yorkie breed in my puppies. I wish we would all treat each other with respect, quit preaching, admit we might be wrong, stop lecturing everyone, remember everyone has a bad day every once in a while, quit taking everything so personal, quit trying to always be right, and trying to prove someone else wrong. This is a forum made up of many different people, with different life styles, different opinions, and different beliefs. I also don't get all the mean and uncalled for PMs going on. This is so childish and petty. This is not a popularity contest. __________________ Deb Scooter,Cheyenne, and Dakota

07-26-2005, 06:02 AM	#46
yorkiegold BANNED! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 215	This is a very timely thread. What I would like to talk about is health screening. I posted a thread a week or so ago asking if breeders are utilizing the OFA Patellar Luxation certification. It seems like most breeders take the easy road and say it can be caused by an injury and they won't guarantee for it. While I believe it's true that most Yorkies have some degree of LP (or most toys for that matter), testing for this seems to be extremely rare. OFA requires the puppy to be 12 months old for certification. This is my own personal nit that I've been picking, but in general, what health screenings do you do? Which do you think are of value? Would you consider selling all puppies with LTD registration and converting it to a full registration at one year when the stifles have been graded? What if they want to show the puppy? Thanks all, CJ

07-26-2005, 09:12 AM	#50
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I don't know about the "mean and uncalled for PMs" but it is sad of this is happening. I posted this a few months back and Ithink it is worht reading every so often to remind us. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5626

07-26-2005, 09:28 AM	#51
Yorkieville200 YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: IL Posts: 2,179	Hi, C.J. Wow. I am really impressed with you. I am not a breeder, but have gotten my Yorkies through very reputable breeders, and none have ever excluded any genetic defects from their health warranty, not LP, not collapsing trachea, nothing. My tiny Kia's breeder, has been breeding for over 30 years, with 53 champions to her credit. She knows her blood-lines and backs them up. I hope to read more from you. Sheila

07-30-2005, 08:44 AM	#59
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I posted my reply to this thread in the middle of the night and had to check to see if I even sent the reply. I have another bit of info that I will tell anyone who is considering breeding and asking where they can find a good girl or boy. I ask questions that a breeder, whether new to breeding, experienced with other breeds or have just bought the "cutest little Yorkie puppy you ever saw!" and all my friends want one just like him/her. Unless you have spent the past 1-3 years researching, going to shows, reading on the internet, talking to responsible breeders (not necessarily show breeders or handlers), and maybe making a nuisance of yourself by asking for the most minute detail AND still going to your mentor a lot, you are not ready to even take the first step of putting 2 dogs together to make puppies. Breeding begins years before you buy a breedable Yorkie. You do yourself a favor but you do the breed as a whole a much bigger favor by making responsible decisions that will affect dogs you are responsible for the rest of their lives..