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Sire & Dam of litter have same Sire? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I was wondering is it weird for someone to breed two dogs that come from the same sire? If they share the same father, but different mother does that make it okay? |
I can't remember if this is called in-breeding or line breeding. Hopefully a more experienced breeder can help you with this question. |
It is inbreeding . I don't recommend this kind of breeding . Even if the mothers are different , the sire is the same . It can be very tricky . |
Olivier-do you know why it is tricky? I'm just wondering because I got the AKC registration numbers from my breeder today for the dog I have on hold. When I looked them up at the AKC website it shows both parents have the same father (which I wasn't sure about) Should I ask the breeder about this? |
You have to be careful about in-breeding because it can bring out the best qualities in a yorkie or the worst faults. There is a breeder here in town that's bred over 20 years and even she doesn't recommend it. You never know which way the cards will fall. Also, sometimes traits can come out that will leave you with a pup with a lifetime of health problems. I wouldn't recommend buying a pup that is inbred unless the breeder knows that nothing will be wrong with the pup and has done it before with success. |
2 Attachment(s) Here are the pedigrees. Hopefully I am reading them wrong. :( |
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So if you were me what would you do? |
pedigree The pups are half brother and half sister...not a wise breeding to do in Yorkies. AKC does not care how close the parents are and will issue papers no matter how close the breedings. Obvisously, the breeders feels it is okay, because they did it..but inbreeding is risky now..too much liver shunt, on and on.. You get the best genes in the line, BUT also the worst..and the worst can mean genetic problems now or later. |
Thanks for the info YorkieRose. My breeder did say the following in an email "I have been raising and breeding dogs for about 13 years now. Through selective careful breeding, I have succeeded very well in producing healthy, correct dogs with wonderful temperaments." I'm just worried that if I do ask the breeder about possible future health problems due to the inbreeding she will tell me not to worry about it. I also have a deposit down on the dog which I believe is non-refundable. I forgot to say the 2 pedigrees are the parents of the puppy I will be getting. I don't know if that makes a difference or not |
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YEAH!!!! I knew that Pat would show up sooner or later!!! I would go with whatever she says. Pat is a very knowledgeble person and has bred yorkies for many years. |
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Hi, I have seen this happen at times and sometimes it produces the most beautiful. I do believe also it is good to check the history with the breeder. Would they give you permission to speak to there vet freely. Questions like has there been any birthing issues such as C-sections, leg problems, liver issues, or bits off, narrow hips things like that. I would only buy there if the history showed years of no problems with correct and sound offspring. Good Luck I wish you the best! ;o) P.S. I lost a deposit 3 days after i made it on a little male 600.00 I thought the dog i was purchasing was not to breed standard and the breeder got made at me so she keep my money. OH well, better to loose my cash than breed bad lines. :o) |
pup I don't care who you buy from...always ask to speak to the vet for a reference and a one year genetic health guarantee is quite standard now. I would back away from any breeder who refused either...for me it tells you what type breeder you are dealing with..as to inbreeding, I can not tell you if the pup will have health problems down the line or not..same with unrelated, but the chances are greater with inbred, that is common sense. AND...I HATE NON-REFUNDABLE Deposits..why do this to a buyer? You are forcing a person to take your puppy, makes no sense to me. If a person changes their mind for any reason, give back the money..Yorkies are in demand, no need to keep peoples money! |
I REALY AGREE non refundable is not EXCEPTABLE if the puppy has not been taken yet. Who's kidding who some breeders are getting alittle greedy i think! |
pedigree I am going to be a snob on this one...yes, it can produce beautiful pups..but the pedigree has gone from champion to pet in 3 generations...I am not saying a non-champion cannot be beautiful, but it is unlikely they are the best of the best now. |
I'm not sure what I would do without this forum! Thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it. So I am emailing the breeder right now and I will ask for vet references and if I can speak to the vet regarding inbreeding. (She did email me the other day saying the pup has just been in for it's first shots and checked out okay) If I'm not satisfied I will ask for the deposit back seeing as how I could not have found this information without getting the parents AKC #'s (which were on my reciept I got in the mail today) The breeder so far has been very good about providing information for me when I need it so hopefully getting this info will not be a problem either. One other question. If the breeder has taken the dog to the vet and it did check out okay can I assume it is free of livershunts etc...? |
No, vets do not automatically test for a liver shunt...at least not in my area. There is fasting in this type of testing. You have to request to have this testing done. |
pup Unfortunely, no..a check means almost nothing regarding many genetic problems. A puppy check tells the vet if the pups have worms, fleas, ear mites, hernia's, bad knees..all the easy to fix stuff. GENETIC PROBLEMS are not readily seen by a simple well puppy check up. It takes time for many things to show up. Liver shunt needs a bile acid test for a starter. What I see most from breeders who breed too close is neurological problems within about 2 yrs. They may never happen..this pup can be perfectly fine for a life time..all I am saying is..inbreeding is risky..I have bred for 33 yrs and have tried it all...I get the best and healthiest by linebreeding. JMO |
Okay, so I know I may be grabbing at short straws here but I'm double, triple checking the pedigrees. This is the weird part. On the Dam's pedigree it says next to "breeder" my breeders name On the Sire's pedigree it says next to "breeder" 2 people of which neither is my breeder. Isn't that strange? |
it seems she didnt own her stud, thats all! |
Please let us know what your breeder said? I am really curious how this all turns out. |
pup Kimberly is right..no problem with that aspect of the pedigree. The breeder no doubt used someone else's stud..done all the time. |
Oh okay. Thanks guys! I haven't heard from my breeder yet, but as soon as I do I will post again. |
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Thanks LvMyYorki! I've been researching for about 2 years now. After everything I had learned from this site I did realize how important getting a reputable breeder was. I have been hounding a breeder in PA (Edgewood Yorkies) Maybe some of you have heard of it. I have followed this breeder for several months (she does alot of shows) I really want to get a puppy from her but it just hasn't worked out yet. Then I heard from the breeder of this puppy in question who seemed very nice and I decided to go with her. But now I think I will change my mind and wait for an Edgewood yorkie. |
I did the same thing... I really wanted a Yorkie from the show breeder I got Bunny from and just had to keep waiting and waiting for "my puppy" to appear in one of the litters... I too waited for months, but it was totally worth it! I had picked two other little girls before Bunny but wasnt able to get the other two bc of size issues or they were going to be for breeding/ show. Its hard to get a girl from a show breeder unless the female is going to be too small to breed. Are you getting a male or female? |
I always tell the breeder the sex of the dog is no big deal. But deep down I think I want a boy most, which usually works out because they seem to be more available |
Actually , I am looking for a puppy too . As I always said no matter if it is a boy or a girl , I want a healthy puppy . |
I PM'd you. |
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